I think Katy Perry's dress was perfectly fine, but Elmo's conduct was atrocious, thoughtless, and chauvanistic. What kind of message do children really learn when we teach them that it's okay to play tag when their playmate is playing dress up? Flash forward thirty years to their anniversary. She spends five hours getting dressed up, anticipating a romantic dinner with champagne and ballroom dancing, followed by an intimate evening together. He plays an infuriating game of phone tag and zips off with his buddies to watch Monday night football, drink beer, and play poker. They divorce, leaving their children with scars can't be healed by watching Sesame Street.
Too Hot for Sesame Street?
- Thread starter Miss Chicken
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Elmo is a selfish little brat.
True, and even worse, Sesame street is teaching our future generations of hotties to hook up with selfish, self-absorbed brats like Elmo (and teaching them to put up with their constant, thoughtless misbehaviors) instead of picking a nice, mature muppet like Ernie.
Katy's fiancee, Russel Brand, got thrown in jail last week for some airport dust-up. How did such a miscreant land a sweet, talented girl who used to be a Christian singer in Nashville? Could it be just a coincidence that Katy is also an Elmo fan?
No. I say that the one caused the other, that in her formative childhood years Sesame Street programmed her to go for Elmo and dismiss Ernie, and so as an adult she hangs out with the likes of Snoop Dog, Russel Brand, and Perez Hilton - despite the strong role her parents, both ministers, played in her life.
Hot girls don't naturally go for bad boys. It's something that Sesame Street teaches them from age three on, which is why nobody on TrekBBS can get a date.
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Jetfire
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Elmo is a punk. Katy would have had more fun chillin with Oscar The Grouch. 
Elmo is a punk. Katy would have had more fun chillin with Oscar The Grouch.
Would that be some musician from the Seattle grunge scene?
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Amaris
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She is flashing the camera. She's showing her legs, her shoulders, her cleavage and her face; all of these are violations of somebody's religious code regarding female sexuality (including people who live in this country, and including people who are Posting in this Thread). The question is, is it wrong for people, including children, to see the Human body-- the answer, given that nudity was and is common in primitive cultures, has varying degrees of acceptance in modern cultures, and causes no damage to those who grow up in Naturist communities, is no, it's not wrong. Opposition to nudity or sexuality is an arbitrary religious custom. So if she were to flash the camera in the manner that you're suggesting, it would be a novelty because of pre-existing expectations, but it would not be wrong and she does have the freedom to do so (although it is still against the law). In a sane society, nobody would think twice about it.(Clinton voice) Well, it all depends on what your definition of the term "freedom" is....
Now...lemme put it this way...
As I clearly stated before--I am fine with Katy's low neckline in the clip in question. As I and others have said, no pre-pubescent kid would notice. Here we agree.
BUT...If she were to flash the camera, there--would you say she has the "freedom" to do that? Why or why not?
Agreed. It's a sad day when we teach children that the human body in it's natural state is evil and wrong.
^^ And ultimately ends up causing the problems that the social vigilantes claim they are trying to fix.
No, there isn't. However, hostile and antagonistic responses can set a conversation off down the wrong road.I didn't get personal. Am I not allowed to tell someone I think their opinion is "fucked up"? Is there a "no swearing" rule in Misc now?
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Amaris
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Exactly. You know, my mom taught me something about that. She said that when a child falls down and lightly bumps their head or slips and falls on their rump, most of the time they will respond to the actions of the parent rather than their own incident, so that if an adult panics, the child will start to panic and cry, but if the adult is calm and careful, the child will not think anything is wrong and will also be calm. I have seen this in action and it works just about every time.
The point is, a child will not know anything is out of place or wrong unless a trusted authority indicates to them, by their actions and words, that it's wrong. Children are astute observers.
This whole debacle is nothing compared to Miss Yvonne on Pee Wee's Playhouse. Heck, it was even subtly joked about on the show for the adults watching with their kids.
^^ Which is nothing compared to the Pee-Wee debacle that followed. 
^^ Which is nothing compared to the Pee-Wee debacle that followed.
I know.....Big Top Pee-Wee was terrible!
If you were to read my first post in this thread you would know...that I am perfectly FINE with Katy Perry's neckline incident!
Kindly spare me the straw man, please.
That Elmo shirt on SNL makes all this worth it. 
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Amaris
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She's getting skewered on the local radio station I listen to, and it frustrates me enough that I'm tempted to call in. She didn't do anything wrong. Why have we become such prudes in this society? "Oh no, the human body! Hide it before children behave exactly as they normally do!"
I swear people just like to be outraged. I don't think they really are outraged they just enjoy going through the motions. Keeps their minds off real issues or something.
Kindly spare me the straw man, please.
It's not a strawman. You're the one who brought up the flashing for no clear reason.
Wow, this is what people are complaining about, really? 
How pathetic. The folks on a local Knoxville station were making fun of the whiners too, so it's good to see what the complainers were riled up about.
In fairness, if the paparazzi really was trying to get an upskirt, I can't blame him. Not that it's "right" maybe, but I can't blame him.
How pathetic. The folks on a local Knoxville station were making fun of the whiners too, so it's good to see what the complainers were riled up about.In fairness, if the paparazzi really was trying to get an upskirt, I can't blame him. Not that it's "right" maybe, but I can't blame him.
If a Katy upskirt is so heinous how come she let Elmo run around her legs given that his head doesn't even reach her hemline? Are we now going to have two sets of rules, one for paparazzi and one for muppets? Are we even going to have a third set of rules for gummi bears (which flipped her off in her California video, probably because they weren't allowed to look up her dress)? How about a fourth set of rules to cover the way she likes to lay around bare-assed on clouds where only angels and airline pilots can see her tush?
But that's the kind of social inequality that Sesame Street is fostering in America's youth, with one set of rules for dead people, airline pilots, and asshole muppets, and another set of rules for gummi bears, paparazzi, and nice muppets.
I will have to look at the video again but I don't think Elmo looked up when he was running around her. I think he was a good, little muppet.
Can't believe we haven't had this yet:
Not a fan of Perry but I don't see anything wrong with that clip.
Only tangentially connected but this all reminds me of the nonsense that went on here when Playschool read a children's book that happened to have the parents of a kid as two women.
Not a fan of Perry but I don't see anything wrong with that clip.
Only tangentially connected but this all reminds me of the nonsense that went on here when Playschool read a children's book that happened to have the parents of a kid as two women.
