What will the real 22nd Century look like?
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'with more wind generators and electric cars'. Really?
We have had those technologies now for decades, the first electric cars were made in the 1920's(don't believe me look it up)
The reason why we didn't go along with them is the same reason why we don't use them now. Money, its all about money, just like its more expensive to buy healthy foods. Its more expansive to build a luxury electric car than it would be to make a gas eater.
Wind mills aren't more expansive to build, they just take up more land than a power plant, and don't offer that many jobs.
Like I have said before I would love to see your future, but at the rate at which we move (and were number 1) its not looking good.
Civilian test pilots (military one's too) are usually engineers. And civilian test pilot normally get first crack at military aircraft.
It's ridiculous that the Phoenix would be considered a FTL war machine. However if the "Eastern Coalition" were also building a FTL ship of their own, then Lily's supposition about who was attacking them could have been based upon that, and also from Cochrane's statement, the Econ might have attacked Cockrane's project years before.
A nuclear war a half century from now wouldn't automatically involve America. Although there would likely be a economic drop , maybe a depression, if other nations were in such a war. Neither of the previous world wars actual involved the entire world. In a strange turn of events, the war might have created millionaires/billionaires all over the Earth. The war was after all about a decade in the past. The post atomic horror spoken of the TNG pilot easily could have existed only in certain areas, but not the majority of the planet.
'nuclear war a half century from now wouldn't automatically involve America.'
Not true, america hasn't concentrated on itself in some years. America is in the war it is now, because we believe that we are the watchers over the world, and everyone is out to get us.
Also the previous world wars happened at a time when not all the countries in the world were as connected as we are now.
I mean you can travel outside the U.S. and find a McDonald anywhere you go. Thats why the past world wars didn't include the world, thats because there really wasn't a world at the time, and the wars themselves only happened a couple decades apart, not much time for huge improvement such as computer, stocks of nuclear weapons, etc.
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Such a very amazing link!
Thanks you for the post.
Well, the 22nd century will have a majority of people who are 'tawny' skinned to darker skinned...
As far as space travel?
I'm optimistic; but we'd better get our problems taken care of here, before we venture 'out there.'
I just have to say that you dream big and wonderful, but look at what your saying and the magnitude of all of it. Fusion generators, bases on moon and mars.
All great things to have but you forget that this is just the 21st century and we can even build a strong enough shuttle to with stand a micro-meter.
Like I keep saying all these things ride on one thing-money. economy will be the downfall of us all. Humans don't want to give there money to the research of fusion or permanent space base tech. they want to spend it on themselves or family.
Plus remember these things when dreaming. Which is okay to do and keep doing it.
1. Scientists from all around the world have been working on fusion generator technology for coming up on a century(began in Europe in the 1920's) and still haven't been able to even build a small one. There is one big station being built in the united states to hopefully house a working big fusion generator, but do to economic hard times, it construction has been delayed.
2. While NASA says it plans to build a small non-permanent base on the moon by 2020. but they still haven't been able to find a true artificial gravity device, still haven't been able to build any kind of shelter that can protect astronauts from solar radiation.
3. Mars isn't even an option to NASA, because they are still worried about how long the journey is, how the years of travel will affect the mind of astronauts who go there, and they still don't have any affective way of building a ship that is good enough to protect the astronauts from space dangers. Watch something called Mars Rising, I know it was filmed in 2007, but the economic mishap of 2008, plus the slow recovery. nothing has changed.
4. The amount of devastation that humans have done to this planet won't just dissipate in a century. I am not just talking about global warming. We over kill, over use the land. It will take our current generation, our children's, their children's, theirs children's, to get any better, but earth just wont repair and fix itself all better fast a lighting.
I say these so that instead of looking at me as a person who is pessimistic. Just realize that it is good to dream of a better world i often do. But help out to make it that way, do your part.
Invent something, Etc. Trust me, you want to see civilian base on the moon invent. you know.
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Better not tell that to the scientists in your first point. Pretty sure they are not working for free.
Um, what!?! NASA isn't trying to creat an anti-gravity device. They never have been. It's not needed for a base on the moon or to get there. Solar radiation is easy to protect your self from, you can use water, moon regolith, or magnetic fields. Take your choice.
Mars Rising was outdated and short on the facts when it aired. You should not rely on it as your sole source of information.
Yes, space travel is expensive now, but the future will improve on that. Try reading up on Elon Musk and SpaceX to start. And never base what we will be able to do 100 years from now with what we can do today. Hell, just over 100 years ago most people thought powered flight would never be useful/economical.
1. What i meant by humans don't want to give there money to science, they obviously give tax and some give donation, but as a whole, people care mostly about themselves.
2. Do to the fact that astronauts traveling through space or in orbit experience zero-gravity, which cause bone loss, muscle loss, and even possible cancer, traveling to mars from earth and back, chances are they will get some ill affects due to the long exposure to zero-gravity. So yes NASA is trying to develop a artificial-gravity device for space travel.
3. It wouldn't have made much sense to make mars rising if it was outdated, so up to that point it was pretty close to what they had in mind then. Like i said due to that fact that soon after the airing of mars rising USA economy suffered, and NASA had a big budget cut, so that point of it being relatively up to date still stands.
4. If Solar radiation was so easy to block, than no-one would have come-out and complained of it even to this day. Plus, the ISS doesn't have any of those little improvements you just said. actually Its ten times easier said than done.
5. I can base how 90 years from now would be by judging just how we do things to this day. While your comment of no-body thought flight would be possible or economical, is true. Its a bit different. I mean someone developed an electrical car in the early 90's. yet to this day were still having trouble developing a economical one.
6. your comment about reading Elon Musk and SpaceX, well i have and not impressed. space x for instance: Space Exploration Technologies Corp. is developing a family of launch vehicles and spacecraft that will increase reliability and performance of space transportation, while ultimately reducing costs by a factor of ten. Factor of ten doesn't come down to much when a regular NASA launch costs 100 of millions of dollars. you ever heard of 40,000 for a hammer than you can buy for 5$ at a store. Great it cost less to put up a satellite, but this company isn't invisible to a slowly recovering economy.
Tesla Motors posted higher losses for the second quarter during its earnings announcement today. so he can't control one company from falling.
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Just want to say one more thing.
I am actually an optimistic person. Despite what I have said. Now if you ask me the prime time for stuff like this to happen is the 23rd century.
I dream like USS Excelsior. What he said i have thought of too. I have an over active imagination like no-one would believe. But i just have a hard time believing that the current generation that just came out of high school will make it happen, it just doesn't look like a bright future, i know i am apart of that generation. I was in high-school 06-10.
through those years all of my science classes didn't get beyond what a 5 grade learns. Magnetism, atom, metals, electricity. I know it important, but that was in a physics class. I actually had to check out all the science book from the library and teach myself, all about fusion, biology, electronics, wires, magnetic fields. I know more than the teachers taught me. i asked my teacher when were we going to learn it, they lied by saying we would get to it. Just keep that in mind. The next generation is being forced to learn, i was never. so thats why its going to be the 23rd century in my mind.
I am actually an optimistic person. Despite what I have said. Now if you ask me the prime time for stuff like this to happen is the 23rd century.
I dream like USS Excelsior. What he said i have thought of too. I have an over active imagination like no-one would believe. But i just have a hard time believing that the current generation that just came out of high school will make it happen, it just doesn't look like a bright future, i know i am apart of that generation. I was in high-school 06-10.
through those years all of my science classes didn't get beyond what a 5 grade learns. Magnetism, atom, metals, electricity. I know it important, but that was in a physics class. I actually had to check out all the science book from the library and teach myself, all about fusion, biology, electronics, wires, magnetic fields. I know more than the teachers taught me. i asked my teacher when were we going to learn it, they lied by saying we would get to it. Just keep that in mind. The next generation is being forced to learn, i was never. so thats why its going to be the 23rd century in my mind.
Um, Planetary Society . Yes, not everyone is giving all of their hard earned money to space exploration, but don't assume that means no one is spending money on space.
No, that's not anti-gravity. That's artificial gravity, and NO, NASA is not working on either one. The physics aren't there. What NASA is working on is using either A) centripetal force (easy to do, just spin the ship) or B) if the engine technology gets there, constant acceleration to simulate the effects of gravity.
TV shows take time to get made, between the time Mars Rising went into production and the time it was finished, yes, the information was outdated. Also, please see the charts on this page. NASA had a minor budget cut in 2007 but received budget increases in 08 and 09. There was no "big budget cut".
The only one who is complaining is you. The ISS is in low earth orbit and still within the protective cover of the Earth's Magnetic field. It doesn't need anymore radiation shielding. Radiation shielding IS easy, when needed. Magnetic shield, other materials .
The entire auto industry is doing poorly. Musk can't control that. You also can't judge Launch costs by what it take NASA to do it. They are not a profit oriented organization and are known for poor spending habits. SpaceX on the other hand has managed in less time and 1/10th the money to do what NASA couldn't. Develop and launch an entirely new launch vehicle. SpaceX has plans to make at least the first stage reusable and hopes to make the second stage reusable. Even if neither of these pans out, they will still have the cheapest launcher on the market and will see economies of scale lower their costs even more as they sell more launch services.
yes, some things are expensive, but costs fall. Hell, the first automobiles cost more than houses. (some still do). And like you said, the economy is recovering.
It's all about economics and economy of scale. The more expensive fossil fuels become, and they are becoming very expensive, the more people will look for alternatives. Once the demand for alternatively powered cars outstrips the demand for fossil fuelled ones, the latter will become the luxury instead of the other way round. It's not rocket surgery. The UK is becoming surrounded by offshore wind generators. It's becoming a sort of world leader but other nations will quickly catch up.
OK I messed up with the anti-gravity, i realized that. I did mean Artificial gravity. And yes, i know you have had a career in technology, but trust me NASA is trying to work on a method of Artificial gravity, yes they know about spinning the ship, but they still are trying to come up with a different means of artificial gravity. Constant acceleration is a good idea, but NASA nor any other space agency have not began to finds a true means of that, that wont take someone bringing tons a fuel along. Yes you can use Ion engine, Nuclear propulsion. The technology is there, but still it requires adding the extra weight of fuel. NASA has never liked the term extra weight.
yes there is a scientific community that gives money to both space programs like NASA and private organizations like your Space X. But in order for more organizations like Space X to expand and test, and could very well be the leading force in the future that gets us up there. need more money, because if the economy does fail in the US(if it fails here it fill fail everywhere), then people are not going to be giving anything or little if they do.
I can judge on what launches cost by what NASA does, because besides Russia it is the leading force in space. Space X, may not be all about profits, but they still need to pay the thousands of workers they hire in each state they are based.
While they have created new space vehicles, they are more into launching satellites for companies than taking over the building of a moon base, if they are that good as you say they would have done it by now.
Solar radiation just doesn't come from our sun, while the ISS is in low orbit that doesn't exactly mean it protected 100%. The Russian space station is also in low orbit, but if you read the reports astronauts said all they had to do was close their eyes and they could see the solar radiation. Look it up.
So yes NASA is trying to work out that problem. Like i said easier said than done. Just because someone comes up with the idea doesn't mean that is the end of it. Yes I read up on all the ways of blocking it while in school, but if it was as easy as you put it, guess what the ISS would have, guess what the shuttles would have, guess what your Space X would have in there new rockets.
Yes your correct, its all about economics. And yes when Expensive fossil fuels come, people will be looking toward to alternative. But its still less expansive to make a ethanol operated cars, diesel, and hydrogen battery cars, which all still produce some sort of bad gas out the back. People want luxury in their cars, and electric cars that have that to this day are more expansive than you or i can afford. Wind mills yes, but UK is a small place and not everyone will follow, i can tell you that right now. Your more likely to see more nuclear power plants in the future than wind mills across the land. Like i said it just isn't economical. It takes up more land and doesn't create more jobs once its done being built.
Nope, sorry, you need to cite some evidence at this point. NASA is not doing artificial gravity research.
Number of launches is not a basis for judging cost effectiveness.
Space X has less than 1000 employees total
SpaceX was started barely 10 years ago and has gotten remarkably far in that stretch of time. Elon Musk has repeatedly said in interviews that he started Space X so he could eventually put people on Mars. Launching satellites is just a way to pay the bills.
That's stray radiation such as Gamma rays. It causes astronauts to see "sparks of light" when they close their eyes from the radiation hitting the optic nerve. If it were a problem something would be done about it. So, wrong again.
None of those need that radiation shielding and as you said, extra weight is the enemy when it comes to space travel. When a mission is started that actually needs radiation shielding you can be damn well sure it will have it. The shuttle doesn't need it, ISS doesn't, Soyuz doesn't, Falcon/Dragon doesn't. So just drop it.
Please, you are thinking, which is good, but you need to do more research. Try reading the forums on Nasaspaceflight.com
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/
It's where the real space engineers hang out and talk about what can and can't be done.
Your education comment is based on just your experience. There are alot of good schools in the world.
1.Evidence to support my comment on NASA trying to find artificial evidence: From studies in ground-based centrifuges and rotating rooms, researchers have estimated that the
maximum angular rate for “comfortable” rotation is between 2 and 6 rpm. Higher rates
permit a shorter radius, less mass, and less kinetic energy for any particular centripetal
acceleration (apparent gravity). Unfortunately, higher rotation rates also yield higher levels of
Coriolis acceleration and cross-coupling with normal head rotations. These distort the apparent
gravity and can lead to motion sickness due to a sensory mismatch between the vestibular and
visual senses of motion. Because the Coriolis effects and rotational cross-coupling occur only
intermittently, during relative motion within the rotating habitat, they may take a crew member
by surprise if he or she has become disoriented with respect to the axis and direction of rotation.
(ok so your Constant acceleration is in there along with the spinning idea)
the slow rotation room at the Naval Aerospace Medical Research Laboratory, Pensacola,
Florida
HTML: http://www.federallabs.org/servlet/FLCLPRODisplayServlet?wLPROID=1185
(Sounds like a place they would do artificial gravity research in.)
The physical theory behind artificial gravity is as old as Isaac Newton's Principles. Nevertheless, there was no significant research into the human factors of artificial gravity until Sputnik inaugurated the "space race". With the beginning of manned space flight in the 1960s, there was concerted effort to determine the comfort criteria for rotating habitats. In the USA, much of this research took place in centrifuges, rotating rooms and rotating space station simulators at the Naval Aviation Medical Acceleration Laboratory (Johnsville, Pennsylvania), the Naval Aerospace Medical Research Laboratory (Pensacola, Florida) and the NASA Langley Research Center (Hampton, Virginia). heres a link. http://www.spacefuture.com
The education comment is valid, yes there is a lot of good schools in the world, I am talking about the USA, who is going down educational wish. Look it up, Reports show that the generation coming out now is actually stupid compared to the last generations. Like i said its the next generation,. 23rd century. I wasn't forced to learn. I got away with only having 3 math classes, 3 science classes, no language, 1 art, p.e and health. 4 government classes and 4 language art classes. Now i actually have 4 science classes because i elected to take one. Now when the freshmen that came in as i was going out, they didn't have those options. They now need to know all algebra by the 9th grade.
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