Questions/Comments of an Enterprise Newbie

[Michael]

The only other explanation I can think of is that after Kirk was rescued from the Defiant, when it sank into the alternate reality, it also sank into the past.

That's exactly what happened.

 

[Noname Given]

Did T'Pol and Tucker ever become a couple?

No. The finale episode (set six years later) brushes the whole thing off in a couple of lines, and then ensures with the utmost finality that they won't ever get back together again.

I think everyone in the trek world is in agreement that the final episode did not, in fact, happen and was just a terrible nightmare.

No, the final episode happened on a Holodeck 300+ years after the fact. Whether or not that holodeck recreation was at all accurate is what's at issue - and I think the overwhelming concensus is - it's not at all accurate. As for Deanna Troi's recollection of 'fact' - she's shown in the past (failing the Lt. Cmdr. promotional exam 3 times, then throwing a fit ); that she's not all that good a student; so her recollection of actual historical fact can easily be questioned - especially if she believes the holodeck program she reccomended to Will Riker IS accurate.

 

[JiNX-01]

*snip*

As for Deanna Troi's recollection of 'fact' - she's shown in the past (failing the Lt. Cmdr. promotional exam 3 times, then throwing a fit ); that she's not all that good a student; so her recollection of actual historical fact can easily be questioned - especially if she believes the holodeck program she reccomended to Will Riker IS accurate.

Oh, yeah. At one point, she admits to Riker that she gets the "starship museums" mixed up, or something to that effect. Yeah, she's a "historian" all right.

 

[star]

I'll nibble at this:

- What's the general consensus on "Bound"? I like how the Orions were portrayed and expanded upon in the Augments trilogy. How was their depiction in this? I'm considering watching this one too and want to get opinions first.

If you watch it from the perspective that it's meant to be campy and fun rather than seriously progressing any real plot or character development, then it's quite entertaining. I prefer to think of it as a comedy -- a seriously out of place comedy, but a comedy nonetheless. Trip and T'Pol both have some interesting moments, but otherwise, yes... not really the best of the 4th season.

- Does Trip remind anyone else of Brad Pitt? With the way that actor looks, and more importantly, the way he talks/the way his voice sounds, I can't help but constantly think of Brad Pitt whenever he's on screen. I don't know if he's trying to sound like Brad Pitt on purpose or if that's just the way he talks, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a conscious impression, because to me really sounds that much like the guy.

Huh. I honestly never made that connection. Your recent comment about BradTrip had me chuckling, though.

- How do Enterprise fans feel about the Trip and T'Pol romance? Does it have a lot of 'shippers'? Even though I've only seen six episodes covering it, I think it's one of the best ones I've seen on any Star Trek series and I'm not sure why. Maybe the writers and producers learned from all the weak past ones?

I agree with others... it actually had great potential, but stupid writers wanted to go down the cliched road of "come closer, now go away" I do ship for them. They are the only couple in any television series (not just Trek) that have been compelling enough for me to release my much oppressed inner romantic. Some folks were/are annoyed by the pairing and some vehemently opposed to it. *shrug* Just like any other ship I suppose.

- How well do Archer and T'Pol get along? I'm not sure if they argue a lot like Sisko/Kira or if they're more like Kirk/Spock or Picard/Riker. I remember when "Enterprise" first came out, I saw promos where he's yelling at her - "TAKE YOUR VULCAN LOGIC AND BURY IT!", but in the episodes I've seen, she has had dinner with him in 'The Captain's Mess' and invited others to join them.

Like others have said... rocky start, but in the end, they deeply respect one another.

- Why did T'Pol's husband give her the Vulcan equivalent of a divorce?

She had originally broken off their "engagement" (see "Breaking the Ice" in first season) and in the fourth season, she brought Trip home to meet her mother. ("Home" the episode that convinced me of the pairing) The marriage was a political move to help her mother. After the Vulcan arc ("The Forge" & "Kir'Shara"), there was no longer any need for the marriage. Koss was doing the right thing, I suppose. Personally I thought the whole thing was a stupid plot contrivance in the first place to throw more conflict at Trip and T'Pol. Stupid writers.

- Did T'Pol and Tucker ever eventually become a couple?

It's hinted at in Demons/Terra Prime (as well as the end of "Bound") but never solidified. If you choose to see the finale as canon, as most of us don't (since it was merely a holodeck program after all), then the answer is no. If you choose to count the Enterprise relaunch novels as part of your personal canon, then the answer is yes.

- Manny Coto rules.

Word.

It's a shame the show got canned just as he was apparently getting it into a groove. It seems needlessly wasteful to me, but I guess if I'd had to sit through three poor seasons, I wouldn't find it as hard to understand.

Whoa! Who said that the third season was poor? The third season was one of the best ever, IMO. It's darker, with a season long arc and some major character issues (most of which were swept under the rug for the sake of the 4th season). The fourth season was fantastic, don't get me wrong... but the third season had a realness about it (barring a couple crappy episodes here and there) that I love. It was the third season that brought me back to ENT in the first place.

And yes, the Mirror Universe episodes are pratically genius. (Bet you can't tell by my avatar that they're my favorites. No really, I bet you can't. )

 

[pookha]

The Andorian representative to the TOS Babel conference was played with rational dignity. And he only had one scene, so it's inevitable that neither he nor his species would be well developed. The only other "Andorian" was actually a cosmetically-altered Orion. The Tellarites were also poorly developed because all they were was a plot device. Besides, the story wasn't actually about Andorians or Tellarites, so why expect more?

Thanks for all the thorough replies, folks. They've been fascinating to read. I think the reason I remember all Andorians and Tellarites in "Journey to Babel" as lame and one-dimensional is because the only 'Andorian' I could remember was actually the Orion in disguise. I don't remember the representative at the conference. The Tellarites just yelled at and bullied Sarek.

I'm watching "Affliction" now. It's weird how Seth Macfarlane showed up only to play a dull 'glorified extra' of a crewman. I'd expect an actor with some comedic chops like him to be given more to do, but I guess (as a fan) he was just happy to get a part on a Star Trek episode, even if it was just a walk-on nothing role.

even though you only see shras in a couple of scenes in babel i do like the character.
you first see him in the reception and later speaking with spock.

but yeah after tas where in yesteryear an alt history showed kirk having a andorian first officer andorians and tellarites and really vulcans until voyager almost fade from the scene.

for one thing it seemed that gene wanted to go in the direction of more human looking aliens.

but i was very happy to see how andorians and tellarites were handled .