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Disney Imagineers watched STMP when making Epcot.

Actually thinking about it there was one thing in particular that really reminded my of Trek, but I can't remember what it is now. And that's really going to bug me.

Damn :scream:
 
Hehe, my sister had to wear that costume back in the day. She used to work in Communicore West. I miss the old Epcot.
 
I miss Horizons. It was my all-time favorite Disney attraction. Thanks for bringing back the memories.
I always found a connection between Epcot and Star Trek. At my earliest visit there in the 80s, when they had those terminal screens where you could communicate wiht a person and make dinner reservations, get info, etc, I used to frequently respond to them by calling them Starfleet Command. They always seemed to get the reference. I can't believe I was the first one to ever do that.
 
Examples please?

Seriously? You need examples? :vulcan:

Neuschwanstein - King Ludwig's Castle
http://hubpages.com/hub/Neuschwanstein
Neuschwanstein in the Bavarian Alps, Germany, was built by King Ludwig II of Bavaria in the 19th century as a treat and homage to Richard Wagner's opera Lohengrin.

It is the most photographed building in Germany and popular tourist attraction. It had 50 million visitors since it was open to the public after the King's death. A 1.3 million a year and in the summer 6000 visitors per day. The castle had appeared in several movies and Walt Disney copied it for his parks.

Snow White
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_White
Snow White (in German Schneewittchen) is a fairy tale known from many countries in Europe, the best known version being the German one collected by the Brothers Grimm. The German version features elements such as the magic mirror and the seven dwarfs, who were first given individual names in the 1912 Broadway play Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and then given different names in Disney's 1937 film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.

Disney Owes $240M for Stealing Ideas
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=89515&page=1
The Walt Disney Company stole ideas for a sports complex from two businessmen and should pay $240 million in damages, a six-member jury ruled today.....

Peter Pan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pan

Pocahontas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocahontas

The Jungle Book
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle_Book

The Hundred and One Dalmatians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hundred_and_One_Dalmatians

There's even claims going around that The Lion King was ripped off another story called Kimba The White Lion. (Simba.... Kimba?)

I mean I could go on and on.... the point being is that while Disney is quite successful and lots of people like their stuff.... the greater majority of the things they're famous for were based on other's work that they took for their own and it's rare that you'll find any stories, movies, etc. that they thought up all on their own.

They're like the 3M of Entertainment..... they don't make a lot of the products you use.... they just make a lot of the products you use "Better"

Though I dispute the Better.

Some more examples:

How many Disney movies are actually original stories?
http://everything2.com/title/How+many+Disney+movies+are+actually+original+stories%3F

..... Fifteen of the films: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Pinocchio, Cinderella, Alice in Wonderland, Sleeping Beauty, The Sword in the Stone, The Jungle Book, The Little Mermaid. Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Pocahontas, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Hercules, Mulan and Tarzan are all based on or were inspired by history, myth, cultural legend, or stories that have come into the public domain. Seven of the nine movies they released in the 1990's are in this list.

Three of the films: The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad (from The Legend of Sleepy Hollow), Robin Hood, and Oliver and Company (from Oliver Twist) are adaptations of stories similar to those in the previous (usually with the main characters changed into animals). One of the new movies is Treasure Planet, and even they admit that it's nothing more than Robert Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island retold in a science fiction setting. (The Lion King may also arguably be considered to be in this category as well (as a kid-friendly, Hollywood ending, pastiche of Shakespeare's Hamlet), but then again, the similarities are more archetypal than anything; it isn't similar enough to be a derived work.)

Eight of the films: Dumbo, Bambi, Peter Pan, Lady and the Tramp, 101 Dalmatians, The Many Adventures of Winnie-the-Pooh, The Black Cauldron, and The Great Mouse Detective, are all (probably) properly licensed animated adaptations of books, some well known, others less so. The new movie coming up in 2002, Return to Neverland is supposed to be a continuation of Peter Pan and might be lumped among these.

And let's not think about the flap they had over The Lion King and Kimba The White Lion, or how Atlantis: The Lost Empire is said to be suspiciously similar to Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water.

That makes a total of 28 films that have acknowledged sources outside of The Walt Disney Company itself, more than half of all the movies they've made to date.

And much of this is just their animated movies/stories, not counting live actor movies, etc.

But I suppose this all begs the question: "What is original these days?"
 
Really because they didn't come up with the fairy tales :lol: Please.

Obviously you missed the point.

Like I said, I only touched base on their Cartoons, I haven't even begun to touch on live-action movies, characters, themes, etc.

Anybody and their dog can copy a fairy tale or someone else's stories and make it their own..... real "Talent" is when you make stories, characters and other ideas up on your own that end up being successful.

Heck, making up original fairy tales are some of the easiest things to do, since they don't have to tie into reality..... you can make your own characters, creatures, environments, etc. etc..... yet all they do is take old stories others have done, change a few names around, and presto..... a "Disney Original" :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disney_feature_films

^ Go ahead and take a look at the list of their Feature films dating back to the 1930's and tell me exactly how many Animated, Live-Action, etc. films were actually Disney Originals.

My original point being is that it wouldn't surprise me if the original post's notes on the similarities of outfits and other designs from Star Trek TMP were ripped off by Disney.....

..... Oh sorry.... I mean "Emulated in a form of Flattery" for those too sensitive of the truth.
 
Heck, making up original fairy tales are some of the easiest things to do

No it's not. Because every story out there will remind people of archetypal stories that have been around since the oral tradition.

Man vs Nature; Man vs Man; Man vs Himself.

The Quest.

Boy Wins Girl, Boy Loses Girl.

The Man Who Learned Better.

Etc.
 
http://futureprobe.blogspot.com/2010/07/pastel-pajamas-and-future-cities.html

Lol maybe they were all Trekies look at those uniforms and the scene from the ride Horizons.

Doesn't surprise me any, since Disney is chronic for ripping ideas off of everybody and then calling it their own.
I'm curious how it's "ripping off" ideas when they give credit for a work being an adaptation of, or based on said earlier work, as is the case with such movies as Peter Pan, Cinderella, Dumbo, Snow White, The Jungle Book, 101 Dalmations, etc.
 
I'm surprised no one else has mentioned the following:

And Disney is the only studio that has ever adapted material from some other source?
 
No it's not. Because every story out there will remind people of archetypal stories that have been around since the oral tradition.

You're trying to over-simplify the situation by over-complicating it.

There's a difference between making up a story from scratch that's based on a couple of previously existing ideas from here and there...... and taking an already existing full story.

I can make up a story from scratch based on Elves, Dragons and Ogres..... or I can just take Lord of the Rings, rename it and be done with it. Do you see the difference?

Man vs Nature; Man vs Man; Man vs Himself.

The Quest.

Boy Wins Girl, Boy Loses Girl.

The Man Who Learned Better.

Etc.
^ Those are not existing stories, they're basic plots used for a story.... once again you're attempting to over-simplify the situation.


I'm curious how it's "ripping off" ideas when they give credit for a work being an adaptation of, or based on said earlier work, as is the case with such movies as Peter Pan, Cinderella, Dumbo, Snow White, The Jungle Book, 101 Dalmations, etc.

The point being is that they are not stories originally don't by Disney (whether they gave credit or not) and there have been many documented cases in the past where somebody or some company decided to sue Disney for copying or stealing their ideas..... I said it wouldn't surprise me if their outfits and designs were based somewhat or completely on ST:TMP due to this fact..... whether they got permission from Gene, or simply just stole the idea and changed it around enough to possibly escape any legal consequences matters not, because if they did take the ideas from ST:TMP, it'd still not be Original.


I'm surprised no one else has mentioned the following:

And Disney is the only studio that has ever adapted material from some other source?

Compared to other studios and companies, none have done so to such an extent Disney has. Most studios will take chances and create something original more often then they'll re-make someone else's stories, it just seems Disney likes to stick in their safe little corner of re-making someone else's stories and making huge profit off them.

I'm not saying they never made anything Original in their entire existence..... but compared to other studios and companies? They don't impress me in the slightest.

And before someone comes along with assumptions, I'm educated and experienced in Graphic Design, Animation, 3D Modeling, Story Boarding, Character Design/Development and a pile of other things..... I think the last time I ever drew or duplicated a character or story that was never mine was in Grade 6.

If I can do it, one would think a multi-million dollar business with hundreds/thousands of different writers and developers through the years could do better.

And it's not about profit, it's not about fame, it's not about giving credit..... my point is about Originality and nothing more.
 
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Going back to the topic, I never saw the connection between Epcot and Star Trek. Any more examples (Obvious or otherwise?)
 
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