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"I like the new movie better..."

Trashing ST just to make the new movie look better is certainly nothing new...

Neither is telling the truth, but it's rarely popular among the faithful.

You can't defend most of Trek's "big thinking" or "examination of issues" as being beyond a quarter-inch deep or rising above Sunday School homilies. It's at least three decades since the Franchise has been anywhere but beyond the curve. Advocacy of draft resistance on national TV in 1966 was remarkable, even in disguise; refusal to address - as a single recurrent example - even the existence of homosexuality in the 80s and 90s and into the current day simply takes Trek out of the realm of grown-up drama.
 
Or conversely, they may just be more interested in a fun movie than bitter old can't-think-outside-the-box TOS purists.

Actually my 26 year old friend DOES in fact suffer from ADD.

He didn't believe me when I told him that, but by then he had stopped listening anyway.
 
I really don't get why people get *so* wound up over nuTrek. I can get fans being disappointed, but people are going way too far with anal point-by-point "it's all wrong" breakdowns - especially since fans of the film already know all it's "crimes" and forgive them.

The old catch-22. One person pushes another person for arguments to support claims, but then when the arguments are provided that person accuses the other of being overly concerned.

There is a difference between arguing vigorously and rigorously and connecting those arguments with strong evaluations. I don't feel particularly strongly about the new movie. I found it mildly entertaining. I liked it overall, but if I attempt to explain why I don't think it's "the best Trek evah," then I run the risk of being accused of being an angry fan boy.

This is basically a troll thread. Come into the I-X forum and announce that you like the new movie better than everything else and watch the fur fly.
 
I put it in the same camp as the remakes of The Day the Earth Stood Still and The War of the Worlds. A pale copy of the original designed to be a summer blockbuster without the soul of the original. Star Trek is now Lost in Space. CBS did say that they liked it better after all. :rommie:
True.
 
I can think plenty outside the box. And name calling doesn't win you an argument.

You are implying that I was talking about you personally, when I was not.

It isn't just fans of this film. I've seen plenty of evidence in everyday life around me of folks who have shockingly short attention spans, scant analytical skills and poor comprehension abilities.

True.

In this case Star Trek was supposed to be (and has been on more than enough occasions) a step above run-of-the-mill "sci-fi." Abrams chose to dump it down into the mud with the rest of the schlock.

No, that's just your biased opinion, which is not shared by most people who saw the film, and most certainly has nothing to do with people who suffer ADD. But then I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

I put it in the same camp as the remakes of The Day the Earth Stood Still and The War of the Worlds. A pale copy of the original designed to be a summer blockbuster without the soul of the original. Star Trek is now Lost in Space.
True.

Not true. The WOTW and TDTESS remakes, while definitely "pale copies of the originals without the soul," are not even in the same league as ST '09. The latter movie was a huge commercial success, brought life back to a dead franchise, and cultivated a whole new generation of fan following, ADD-affected or not. WOTW and TDTESS didn't do that, not just because they were shitty movies, but because there was no real interest in them to begin with, originals or remakes.

CBS did say that they liked it better after all.

Really? "CBS" said that? Well, good. That means there's hope for a new TV series based on JJ's Trek.
 
CBS said that they preferred Lost in Space to Star Trek when Roddenberry was shopping the first pilot. Maybe you'll get lucky and Chris Pine will fight a giant carrot in the next movie. Of course, it'll be all CGI so it'll be extra cool looking.
 
CBS said that they preferred Lost in Space to Star Trek when Roddenberry was shopping the first pilot. Maybe you'll get lucky and Chris Pine will fight a giant carrot in the next movie. Of course, it'll be all CGI so it'll be extra cool looking.

Zzing! :guffaw:
 
CBS said that they preferred Lost in Space to Star Trek when Roddenberry was shopping the first pilot. Maybe you'll get lucky and Chris Pine will fight a giant carrot in the next movie. Of course, it'll be all CGI so it'll be extra cool looking.

Ah, I see; I misunderstood your post here about CBS. And quite frankly, Chris Pine battling a giant CGI carrot in the next film would be infinitely better than William Shatner doing Kirk-fu in TOS;)
 
A person who has a hard time getting into a movie with clearly outdated effects -- not just special effects, but costume effects, hairstyling effects -- is going to be hard-pressed to look past some of the glaring differences between the movie-making approaches of 1982 and 2009, respectively.

I, myself, having been born in 1987, find it a bit difficult at times to suspend disbelief when I see some of the appearances of individuals aboard even the latter years of the Enterprise-D's televised voyages, to speak nothing of its earlier years. I scrape by and manage to thrust myself into the story nonetheless because I'm constantly reminding myself that there's a strong enough chance come 2360's people will no doubt be laughing at the way we looked in 2010, too. So at that point, what does it matter?

The crisp, 2009-ish looks of a $150 million movie do make Star Trek an easier pill to swallow for a lot of people, especially when they're even younger than I am. (And thankfully for the franchise's continued longevity's sake, there were plenty of people younger than myself who had a great time coughing up their money, or their parents' money, to see last year's film.) The very fact that so much was spent on that movie and will be spent on its sequels means flash, flash, flash. For those who find there to be sufficient substance as well, this is really a win-win kind of scenario. For those who do not, well... that is unfortunate.

I do enjoy the far quieter, more philosophically-charged outings of Jean-Luc Picard quite a bit, I should say. I also enjoy the trailblazing, Earth-saving, Nero-kicking antics of NuKirk as well though.


I strongly agree with u.
I do enjoy the far quieter, more philosophically-charged outings of Jean-Luc Picard quite a bit, I should say. I also enjoy the trailblazing, Earth-saving, Nero-kicking antics of NuKirk as well though.
 
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Some young'uns today may suffer from a touch of ADD.

Excuse me I'm 22 and a fan of TOS (even had a marathon of the first 2 seasons on Blu Ray) and I still like the new movie.

Oh, the "age" misdirection is a popular - though doomed to failure - attempt to claim high ground around here. The truth is - and you can easily see this even by reading here at TrekBBS - that the new movie's popularity has little to do with the age of the audience. One might as well suggest that much of the resistance to it is the result of the closed-minded narrowness that comes with encroaching senescence - that would be no more or less valid than the "ADD" jab.

What's called "ADHD" now, BTW, appears to have been as common a generation or two ago as it is now - just not identified or diagnosed in those days. The suggestion that it's organically associated with what we choose to think of as a more distracting current environment is specious.
 
Critics love JJ Abrams.
Not really...Mission Impossible III and Cloverfield reviews were mixed at best. ST09 had 94% good reviews because it was...get this..."good"!

Never said it wasn't. But the critics love LOST and all the other hype JJ Abrams brings to a project. Reminds me of the days when Josh Whelan was the hot genre producer dude. It'll last for a while, and then folks will move on. Thought Ron Moore might've been a hot genre producer for longer than he was...
 
There is some evidence to suggest that ADHD is linked partially to playing computer games and cruising the net. So ALL Trekkies should have it. I know I do. If you don't have it you clearly aren't a real Trekkie and you aren't trying hard enough.

The generational thing isn't absolute and never will be but younger people do tend to like more action and always have. NuTrek had wider appeal because it had action, humour, romance, teen angst, Easter eggs, fan references, and an appealing plot arc. A lot of it was dumb but I think they have realised that slower and and more meaningful like some of the other movies won't usually make as much money. A hot property like Trek is going to be money-driven and the best that older fans can hope for is that the writers can leave in enough reverential and referential echoes. For some they will, for others they wont and in 150 years nobody will give a crap - they'll be eating moon pie on Moonbase Alpha while swmming in their dolphin pool.
 
Roll your eyes all you want. We'll see. I wouldn't be a bit surprised this one ends up in the dustbin file barely remembered.
You sound just like the people over a year ago who were absolutely certain that the movie would bomb.

And who the hell brought up merchandising? Of course the movie's merchandising is fading away. It's been 15 months. Every movie's merchandising does that after 15 months.
 
As in previous Star Trek movies, Trek 09 has its share of plot holes, canon violations, over-acting, and just plain WTF moments. That being said, Quinto and Urban were excellent, Saldana did well with what she had, and Pine is in serious danger of becoming the Joey Lawrence of movies. I was entertained, though. I think I got my money's worth and I think the movie, despite some glaring faults, did a great job of setting up the Nu-Trek Universe. I would have preferred a complete reboot, so the alternate universe stuff had me bristling. I'm very optimistic that the sequel will be so much better now that this whole "alternate timeline" thing is out of the way.
That's about how I feel on it. XII is analogous to FC in this way, or even how II had breathing room following TMP.
If history repeats, XII is looking good.
 
And who the hell brought up merchandising?

Someone trying to invent some metric by which to measure the film as less than fantastically successful? :lol:

When I was in high school they were calling what's now ADHD by the name "hyperactivity" among other things. Years earlier than that, they just marked kids down as "daydreaming in class" and "not working up to potential."

All that's changed is the greater availability of medications for various aspects of the problem, which always encourages more frequent diagnosis.
 
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