"I like the new movie better..."
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You see empty and sparkly. Others see fun and adventure.
You're just gonna love the next two films!
Yep - slippery slope. I've never seen a Romulan ship that didn't have a cloak but then I've never seen a Romulan mining vessel before.
Conversely, why would a Romulan mining vessel (ostensibly a civilian vessel) have vastly powerful weapons and unlimited capabilities to make torpedoes powerful enough to smash through 23rd century Federation shields and destroy 47 Klingon ships all on its own? I know somebody mentioned replicators but all replicators do is convert energy to matter (not anti-matter) and you have to have the energy to create the explosions available in the first place. I can think of no reason why a simple mining ship would be fitted with the equipment to manufacture its own torpedoes or why it would be built with so many energy reserves (to power the drill perhaps?). Most of its bulk would have been intended for storage of mined material. I could understand if they had obtained the equipment during their 25 year exile but then they's be contemporary weapons.
Again, I think the plot would have been better if the Narada's purpose had been to use its drill and Nero's allies could have used their ships to do battle. The Narada is the mining vessel equivalent of NuKirk it seems.
kkozoriz1
Fleet Captain
The "plot" required everyone, including the Vulcans, to be clueless so NuKirk could figure it out based on a line of overheard dialog. He was the only person who made the connection with the "Lightning Storm in Space". Not one person in Starfleet or on Vulcan made the connection, not even Pike who wrote a paper based on the original incident.
Delta Vega!!!
If the key to Star Trek is "dealing with big issues" then the Franchise is fucked and should be retired - because Trek hasn't done so in a way that has anything to say or any appeal to many beyond the trekkie choir for decades - maybe back as far as the second year of the original series, although the 1980s were a time so tolerant of bombast and self-importance (hi, Ronnie Reagan) that many of us loved and respected TNG. 
For the younger viewers yes. I have two close friends, ages 41 and 26. The 41 year old is, like me, a lifelong Star Trek fan who enjoys the older shows (although he hated Enterprise), and enjoyed the new movie, but like me, felt that it was too flashy and relied too much on action over character.
My 26 year old friend on the other hand hates all of the older Star Trek series with a passion, but sat through XI because it was current. When it was over, he turned to me and said "Now that's more like it." In fact, he hates anything that was made before 1984 (his birth year), and every time I get him to watch something a little older, he always says the same thing: "needs more action".
That is true.
But isn't it entertaining to see the Spin-Off Only Fans and the TOS Purists form an uneasy alliance for the sole purpose of bashing a movie they do not actually agree on. It's like Hitler and Stalin, and will end just as well. And with the forthcoming sequels set to plunge the Spin-Off Only Fans into a deep and abiding darkness from which they shall never emerge, will the TOS Purists be even half as eager to proclaim that such mindless fluff as Insurrection and First Contact actually contain profound messages and deeper meaning that only the discriminating viewer can detect?
I really don't get why people get *so* wound up over nuTrek. I can get fans being disappointed, but people are going way too far with anal point-by-point "it's all wrong" breakdowns - especially since fans of the film already know all it's "crimes" and forgive them.
Analogous to the nuTrek hate going on, I hate SGU. I loved Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis (more than any Trek series, truth told), and hate that they've turned it into a miserable BSG rip-off. Yeah I was pissed off for a while, but I didn't analyze every episode to death and spam threads about how stupid it is. I moved on. I don't like it enough to re-watch an episode, let alone waste more time on the crappy show discussing it online. I rather talk about what I do enjoy.
Analogous to the nuTrek hate going on, I hate SGU. I loved Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis (more than any Trek series, truth told), and hate that they've turned it into a miserable BSG rip-off. Yeah I was pissed off for a while, but I didn't analyze every episode to death and spam threads about how stupid it is. I moved on. I don't like it enough to re-watch an episode, let alone waste more time on the crappy show discussing it online. I rather talk about what I do enjoy.
I can think plenty outside the box. And name calling doesn't win you an argument.
It isn't just fans of this film. I've seen plenty of evidence in everyday life around me of folks who have shockingly short attention spans, scant analytical skills and poor comprehension abilities.
In this case Star Trek was supposed to be (and has been on more than enough occasions) a step above run-of-the-mill "sci-fi." Abrams chose to dump it down into the mud with the rest of the schlock.
kkozoriz1
Fleet Captain
I put it in the same camp as the remakes of The Day the Earth Stood Still and The War of the Worlds. A pale copy of the original designed to be a summer blockbuster without the soul of the original. Star Trek is now Lost in Space. CBS did say that they liked it better after all. 
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