Return of the Jedi Deleted Scene...Luke building his lightsaber!

[DarthPipes]

If I had to guess: The corridor and lift come from a later deleted scene where Vader is trying to see the Emperor and is stopped by a Imperial officer;

I've seen that still and it's definitely the same corridor. The Vader portion does look cobbled together but I have no doubt that that the scene is real.

I could definitely see Luke being portrayed by a stand-in in that scene. I read another article from 2001 where Anthony Daniels talks about shooting that scene in Death Valley with GL.

 

[LitmusDragon]

ROTJ is so badly focused as it is.

Will the Criterion Edition laserdisc include the deleted footage of Statler and Waldorf cracking wise from the balcony?

How old is that article?

This line is gold though

It’s inexcusable that such an imposing figure as Boba Fett-the one bounty hunter good enough to capture Solo-flies clumsily to his death in the Sarlaac pit while screaming like Shemp from the Three Stooges.

 

[Indysolo]

Well what do you know? The corridor shot is from the cut choking scene. Thanks for the tip!

Neil

 

[Gaith]

Shadows of the Empire describes how Luke finds a how-to book on saber-building in Obi-Wan's Tatooine hovel.

And no, he didn't return to Dagobah before ROTJ. He was too busy dealing with Xizor/Black Sun.

(SotE and the Thrawn trilogy are the only two EU works in my personal fan canon...)

 

[sidious618]

Way too much hype for a scene that will be only in the DVD extras somewhere. I doubt they are going to insert those deleted scenes into the actual movie.

It's Lucas, he may still yet. Especially since he has his CGI crayon box these days.

Coming Fall 2011: Star Wars as you've never seen it before, BLU-RAY!

Coming Fall 2012: Star Wars as you've never seen it before, BLU-RAY...with 10 seconds of new footage!

And I'd buy both of them.

 

[General_Phoenix]

Shadows of the Empire describes how Luke finds a how-to book on saber-building in Obi-Wan's Tatooine hovel.

And no, he didn't return to Dagobah before ROTJ. He was too busy dealing with Xizor/Black Sun.

(SotE and the Thrawn trilogy are the only two EU works in my personal fan canon...)

Doesn't Lucas count SotE as canon? I figured since he included the Outrider, and a swoop-bike in ANH-SE then it was considered canon now.

 

[Gaith]

^ Yes... and he counts the PT as canon, also. Your point?

 

[davejames]

Well what do you know? The corridor shot is from the cut choking scene. Thanks for the tip!

Neil

Cool. I've never heard of that scene before.

Funny how Lucas had no problem getting rid of those little scenes before (to keep the story moving), but when the prequels rolled around suddenly he needed to show us-- in boring, painstaking detail-- how every character got to where he or she was going.

Every ship landing, every shuttle ride, every walk down a staircase...

 

[SeerSGB]

Well what do you know? The corridor shot is from the cut choking scene. Thanks for the tip!

Neil

Cool. I've never heard of that scene before.

Funny how Lucas had no problem getting rid of those little scenes before (to keep the story moving), but when the prequels rolled around suddenly he needed to show us-- in boring, painstaking detail-- how every character got to where he or she was going.

Every ship landing, every shuttle ride, every walk down a staircase...

Cause, frankly, and I'm saying this as Lucas fan, Lucas peaked in the 70s and early 80s. The man just doesn't have the spark he used to. Great imagination, writing...okay that's a bit odd at times, but good lord three almost 4 decades later and we're still talking about his early movies. I think he does better with less (ie: fewer SFX tools and money) than he does with the whole candy-store at his fingertips. He needs that throttle back that keeps him from throwing all his ideals on the screen.

 

[lennier1]

Well what do you know? The corridor shot is from the cut choking scene. Thanks for the tip!

Neil

Cool. I've never heard of that scene before.

Funny how Lucas had no problem getting rid of those little scenes before (to keep the story moving), but when the prequels rolled around suddenly he needed to show us-- in boring, painstaking detail-- how every character got to where he or she was going.

Every ship landing, every shuttle ride, every walk down a staircase...

Once the successor to Blu-ray is here Lucas will probably have replaced all actors with Gungangs and the new version will include a "long-lost" scene of Yoda on the crapper (an entirely different use of Force Push).

 

[Indysolo]

Funny how Lucas had no problem getting rid of those little scenes before (to keep the story moving), but when the prequels rolled around suddenly he needed to show us-- in boring, painstaking detail-- how every character got to where he or she was going.

Every ship landing, every shuttle ride, every walk down a staircase...

That trend started with ROTJ. It has plenty of moments with people walking into and out of scenes. A friend of mine pointed out that Star Wars doesn't do this. It seems to cut into the middle of conversations, showing only what's important for the movie. We don't see Vader walking in to report news to Tarkin, instead there is an establishing shot of the Death Star and then, "Her resistance to the mind probe is considerable. It will be some time before we can extract any information from her."

Neil

 

[davejames]

That trend started with ROTJ. It has plenty of moments with people walking into and out of scenes. A friend of mine pointed out that Star Wars doesn't do this. It seems to cut into the middle of conversations, showing only what's important for the movie. We don't see Vader walking in to report news to Tarkin, instead there is an establishing shot of the Death Star and then, "Her resistance to the mind probe is considerable. It will be some time before we can extract any information from her."

Neil

Huh, it's always seemed to me that ROTJ's story (such that it was) moved as briskly and effeciently as the first two movies.

I definitely agree about the editing in ANH though. That's why all those storybook-style screen wipes were so cool. They made it so you could jump from scene to scene like that without confusing the audience.

Why Lucas felt he STILL needed to add a bunch of boring transition scenes, I'll never know.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Yeah, I agree. I always called Return of the Jedi the movie of arrivals.
1. The shuttle arrives at the death star.
2. Vader walks out, arriving in the hanger.
3. The droids arrive at the palace.
4. The droids arrive in the throne room
5. Leia and Chewie arrive on the scene
6. Luke arrives on the scene
7. They arrive at the Sarlacc.
8 The emperor arrives
9. With some restraint, Lucas doesn't show Luke arriving at Dagobah. The scene is still tedious.
10. We arrive at the meeting.
11. Luke arrives at the meeting.
12. The shuttle arrives in orbit of Endor
13. The shuttle arrives on Endor's surface
14. The teams arrives at the generator.
15. the team arrives at the "back door'
16. vader arrives in the throne room for an insignificant scene
17. We arrive at Ewok Village
18. Luke arrives at the base without a fight.
19. Luke and Vader arrive at the throne room.
20. The fleet arrives..

 

[Indysolo]

Huh, it's always seemed to me that ROTJ's story (such that it was) moved as briskly and effeciently as the first two movies.

I disagree. It's a bore.

Neil

 

[SeerSGB]

Jedi suffers from having to close up the threads from ESB and introduce new ones it doesn't have time to completely explore, then tie up the big revelation about Vader and Luke. Which is a given seeing as the long held stance by Lucas was/is that RotJ was a condensing of his ideals into one movie to get things done.

 

[I Grok Spock]

Funny, I think the Luke stuff is really from the original shoot but I think the Vader stuff is all cobbled together from outtakes. Perhaps that corridor shot is from 1983 but I don't recognize that corridor, and the moment of him entering the elevator is probably from 1983. Of course it's an elevator in the Emperor's throne room, where the telepathic communication scene was supposed to take place. So why is he walking out of there? It's the meditation chamber that I think is out of place and is just an ESB outtake. They would not have re-built that set for one shot in the movie. And the script called for this scene to take place in the Emperor's throne room. That's the footage we're not seeing here.

So what I think we're ending up with is a recreation of a deleted scene.

Neil

I agree the Vader stuff looks a bit cobbled together, but ROTJ was never as visually fluid as the first two movies to begin with. It might have always been their intention to simply reuse leftover footage.

Besides, I don't see why there couldn't have been a duplicate meditation chamber located on the second Death Star. Heck, Vader probably had one on the FIRST Death Star too, and we just never saw it.

No reason he can't. Just from a production point of view it's a waste of budget. They could have done the scene on Execuetor's bridge or the Emperor's throne, or even the shuttle set with Vader sitting and some blinky panels behind him. Nah, the Chamber portion is likely a ESB snippet-- which is no big deal.

Ok, but Williams would have recorded the musical cues with the film playing on a screen behind the orchestra. What did they use for this scene at that recording session? Or are you saying this was cobbled together in 1983 not 2010?

 

[JarodRussell]

The funniest thing is that either Vader's thoughts sound exactly like his mechanical voice, or he is constantly talking to Luke aloud while standing on the Executor's bridge or sitting in his chamber.

 

[SeerSGB]

I agree the Vader stuff looks a bit cobbled together, but ROTJ was never as visually fluid as the first two movies to begin with. It might have always been their intention to simply reuse leftover footage.

Besides, I don't see why there couldn't have been a duplicate meditation chamber located on the second Death Star. Heck, Vader probably had one on the FIRST Death Star too, and we just never saw it.

No reason he can't. Just from a production point of view it's a waste of budget. They could have done the scene on Execuetor's bridge or the Emperor's throne, or even the shuttle set with Vader sitting and some blinky panels behind him. Nah, the Chamber portion is likely a ESB snippet-- which is no big deal.

Ok, but Williams would have recorded the musical cues with the film playing on a screen behind the orchestra. What did they use for this scene at that recording session? Or are you saying this was cobbled together in 1983 not 2010?

I'm thinking it was cobbled up in '83.

 

[Indysolo]

I think it was cobbled together in 2010. It's not the scene that Williams scored. He would not have scored it that way as the scene plays now.

Neil