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Of Friends, Mental Illness, and Suicide

1001001

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In the 9th grade, I met my best friend David.

All through high school, we were inseparable, as they say. We were always at each others houses, we went on family vacations together, dated best friends, road tripped all over, spent holidays together. As cliche as it sounds, we really were like brothers. David was the smartest guy I ever met.

Our freshman year in college, we were on opposite coasts, he at Berkeley, me at Boston College. It was in the second semester that things began to change radically.

Without going into all the awful details, David had a manic episode, and a doozy at that. It was frightening and terrible for everyone, David most of all. While in the hospital he was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder.

The ensuing 25 years have been rollercoaster of good periods, followed by medication non-compliance, followed by delusions and bizarre behavior. He was able to get his PhD in Pshycis from MIT, and even for a while found work as a Professor at a small Southern College.

But the good times never lasted. There were stable times, sometimes lasting 2-3 years, but the Bipolar Disorder kept rearing its ugly head. He ended up in the hospital at least 7 times that I can remember.

That is part of the cruelty of Bipolar. It gives you false hope. There are days when you are sure the old David is back, and everything will be fine. Then there are days you realize it will never be the same, no matter what you do. All you can do is understand the best you can and ride it out. I'm not ashamed to admit there were times when it was very difficult to be his friend.

The last time I spoke to him was December 2007. He wasn't doing very well. He was living with his mother, getting some mental health help but still struggling with med compliance. I spoke to his mother for a while, and she sounded concerned but hopeful, which is how she always sounded.

Yesterday, through a completely unrelated, work-based route, I reconnected with his father. We spoke on the phone for a few minutes before he told me: David had killed himself a few months ago. Hung himself in his mother's garage. He did not leave a note. He was 42.

His parents had tried to contact me, but the number in David's book was old. My father had moved and my sister had died. They couldn't find me, and strangely both his parents were very apologetic about this. I knew they had tried, and I tend to keep a low profile anyway.

And so today my thoughts are about friends gone and great memories. I also think about the incredible struggles and sacrifices friends and family make when a loved one is mentally ill. It's so clear when a child is physically handicapped, but mental illness is murkier, and still not well understood in terms of family dynamics. It is so painful to see someone you love lose control, and they can't even realize it's happening. But you don't give up and keep on loving them and doing your best to accommodate while grieving the loss of the person that was.

My heart breaks for his poor mother. It shows me how out of it he was, that he would not think about putting his mother through that. That was not him.

I keep asking myself if it is wrong to have the thought that at least he's not suffering anymore? Is it wrong to not be mad at him?

Anyway, I'm sure I'm not the only person to have gone through something like this. I'll bet some of you love someone who is mentally ill. How do you cope with it? Do you worry about things like this?
 
Digits, i am so very sorry for your loss. My heart breaks for you and for David's family. No parent should ever have to lose a child. {{{squishy hug}}}
 
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I find it very difficult to be upset with someone who commits suicide. I've never known it to be a decision one makes lightly. When someone commits suicide, there seems to be a tendency to blame them--that they somehow failed everyone else and took the "easy way out." I think, instead, that everyone around that person failed them.

I've had a few friends kill themselves and there are some others I worry about. I do what I can to support them and try to help them through whatever's hurting them.
 
Anyway, I'm sure I'm not the only person to have gone through something like this. I'll bet some of you love someone who is mentally ill. How do you cope with it?

I experience it the other way around -- I'm a recovering alcoholic and severely clinically depressed, and I have no idea how my wife puts up with me. Another wrinkle came into the picture when I left my previous employer (losing an amazing health insurance package in the process), so I'm off all of my medications. It sucks.

I'm sorry for your loss, Digits. All I can say is that all of the emotions you're feeling right now are natural.
 
I'm sorry for your loss, digits. The 27th of this month marked the two year anniversary of the death of a dear friend of mine, as well as the 4-month anniversary of another beloved friend. On top of this, back in February another friend went missing for a few weeks until it was discovered he'd committed suicide too. So this very subject has been on my mind the least few weeks.

I used to think suicide was a selfish thing and academically speaking I wouldn't really feel bad about it because the person committing suicide would have had to be pretty damn selfish to off themselves... but in retrospect, and having seen the effect it has had on me and the people I know, I know I was just being a philosophical blowhard about it. How awful it must be to feel --however logically or not-- so alone, so awful, that the only response is to kill oneself. I ask myself every day if there was something that we could have done that might have made a difference. And as useless as it may be with regard to that one particular friend who is no longer with us, it has opened my eyes to becoming an even better, more welcoming friend to those of my friends still with me.

Alternately, I was involved with someone who suffered from a mental illness and did everything I could to try to accommodate her and the ways she chose to deal with it in her life. My logic was simply that it was something out of her control and that I would do whatever I could, whatever she needed me to do, to help her control it, even if it meant she was going to do something wholly stupid that I disagreed with. In the end it didn't matter and I became somewhat of a handicap in her eyes, I think, and we parted ways on less than friendly terms.

I wish I had some kind of advice or suggestion about how to deal with any or all of this. Until I do, let me simply offer my condolences to you and your friends and the family of the deceased.
 
I keep asking myself if it is wrong to have the thought that at least he's not suffering anymore?

No


Is it wrong to not be mad at him?

I don't know.

Digits, I'm sorry for your loss. I've got a brother in law who's paranoid schizophrenic and moderately compliant with his meds. My wife's not responsible for his care so he doesn't affect me much.

Alcoholism and addiction runs wide and deep on my mom's side of the family. Grandma was in and out of rehab for as long as I can remember. One uncle drank himself to death, another began drinking again and killed himself in the K-Mart parking lot about 15 years ago.
 
I'm sorry for all your losses, I can't even begin to imagine, since I never have lost someone that I was so close to. Perhaps I should consider myself lucky.

Suicide is certainly not a selfish thing. It's a desperate thing, when one does not see any other way out. And that what troubles me about it, that is allowed to got that far.
 
Last year, an old friend of mine killed himself. We'd known each other since we were five years old, but hadn't seen much of each other as adults as our lives took us away from our home town.

It still hasn't sunk in, really. My way of coping with something as bad as that is to put it out of my mind lest it overwhelm me. If I didn't distance myself somewhat I'd go round the fucking twist.

My sympathy goes out to all.
 
Damn. Bipolar is a cruel disease. My wife is Bipolar Type II so we mainly deal with the depression issues. It's NOT wrong to feel some sort of relief for your friend. It's also not wrong to not be mad - or even to BE mad at him. Our feelings are not really right or wrong, but how we deal with them can be.

Digits, I'm sorry for your loss, and I'm glad that his pain is over.
 
I'm sorry, digits. *** hugs *** The word tragedy is thrown around far too casually and applied to too many trivial things, but this is a situation where it actually does apply.

I have a cousin with a depressive illness. What's always added to the situation for him is that both his father and grandfather had similar issues (and both committed suicide), so he always expected to develop problems himself. I very rarely see him and have nothing to do with his day-to-day living, but that doesn't stop me being worried for him. I can only hope he'll find a way to deal with it.


I keep asking myself if it is wrong to have the thought that at least he's not suffering anymore?
No. Why would anyone want someone they care about to suffer?
Is it wrong to not be mad at him?
No. Again, it's wanting what's best for a person, I think. It's sad and terrible that some people simply cannot see any other way out of their pain. To be mad at them for that...it can probably go either way, and neither is right or wrong.

Good thoughts for all concerned.
 
I have tried several times to write something else, but nothing sounds right. I'm having trouble gathering my thoughts and making them behave.

Right now I am just very sad.
 
Right now I am just very sad.
That about sums it up. It's a very sad situation. Your friend was the victim of an illness that was not his fault, and his life, which could have been joyful under other circumstances, was full of trouble and pain. It's not wrong be relieved that he is no longer suffering; and it's not wrong to not be mad at him, for he did nothing wrong-- he was simply burdened by more despair than he could bear.

I'm very sorry for your loss. :(
 
I don't think I know you too well, but you have my true sympathies for the loss of your friend. I hope his father and mother are coping as well as can be expected.

I like to think I understand in part how you feel- and in part how your friend might have felt. I doubt that helps, but I wanted to say it. Again, you have my sympathies.

It's probably for the best that you don't quite know what to say or think at present, if I may be bold enough to say it. Just let yourself feel. Good, honest emotion; it will take you where you need to go.
 
Sorry to hear of your loss, Digits. Your feelings sound perfectly natural, and not at all wrong, I wouldn't worry about that at all. I hope you can ride through this and feel better soon. :)
 
Right now I am just very sad.
That about sums it up. It's a very sad situation. Your friend was the victim of an illness that was not his fault, and his life, which could have been joyful under other circumstances, was full of trouble and pain. It's not wrong be relieved that he is no longer suffering; and it's not wrong to not be mad at him, for he did nothing wrong-- he was simply burdened by more despair than he could bear.

That's it. That's pretty much exactly what's going through my mind. I feel terrible that he was so lost, that he could find nothing worth staying for.

And I wonder what his last moments were like. Was he lucid? Did he really know what he was doing?

I have learned from other losses that grief is a tidal wave that you just have to let flow over you. There is no point in resisting or wondering "what if"? It just is what it is. And it will pass.

It's just so difficult right now. I really loved him. He was a great guy. And yes, I think today that he died not so much by suicide as of Bipolar Disorder, just as surely as if it were cancer or HIV.
 
The subject of suicide has been on my mind a lot lately. 1001001, the combination of pain and confusion you are feeling comes through very strongly in your post. Thank you for having the courage to post this and giving a perspective on the survivors of these terrible incidents. My condolences to you and all of his loved ones.
 
That's really sad news and I'm sorry that he felt the need to take such an action. I think that's one of the worst parts ... knowing that the person must have been in so much pain. A little over ten years ago, my cousin hanged herself. She was halfway across the world in India, she was thirteen, and she was an only child. I got a birthday card from her in the mail the day she killed herself. They found a letter later in her belongings, written to me, that she had never sent. I spent years wishing she had sent that letter, wishing I had stayed in better contact with her so that I might have had some small sense of the difficulties she was going through.

Then again, I have a sibling who has gone through major highs and lows and like is borderline, with an alcohol problem. My relationship with her is all over the place and I don't mind that as much as not knowing if she's okay. There have been weeks where every day all I wanted was to know that she'd make it to the next day. This is someone who has held down a job consistently, but struggles in so many other ways. Mental illness is really a strange thing. I feel so helpless sometimes.
 
I have tried several times to write something else, but nothing sounds right. I'm having trouble gathering my thoughts and making them behave.

Right now I am just very sad.


**hugs**

I am so sorry for your loss :(

Don't beat yourself up over not knowing what to say, it's perfectly natural.

Take care of yourself.
 
My heart goes out to you. It sounds like you were a very good friend to him.

I keep asking myself if it is wrong to have the thought that at least he's not suffering anymore? Is it wrong to not be mad at him?

No, there is nothing wrong w/ the thought that he's not suffering any more. And there's nothing wrong w/ not being angry. But grief doesn't necessarily follow a smooth or logical path, so don't be shocked if you end up feeling angry at some point in the future.
 
For all of this, it can be hard to see the victories of friendship. I would have killed myself years ago if it wasn't for my friends, family and the people on this board. I can honestly say I owe my life to my friends, family and TBBS.
 
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