In honesty, how likely are we to see 24th century Trek again?

[Arpy]

Having recently listened to the afore-mentioned NEM review, let me say that I disagree with him here more than I agreed with his ST'09 review. Alas! Everything he said about the movie specifically aside, he also let his preference for TOS over TNG cloud his judgment, saying that TNG simply doesn't work on the big screen. If they can make a movie out of a video game or a Disney ride or non-fiction book about orchids, they can sure as hell make a good TNG movie. WTF? I might as well start believing Rick Berman's nonsense about "franchise fatigue" and there being no more stories to tell in the universe. Nice alliteration there, dick.

Oh, and I agree that it's ridiculous he said that NEM wasn't made for TNG fans (and that's why it was good) while basically not liking ST'09 for the same reason. Perspective can be a bitch.

 

[Nightdiamond]

I think the execs are crossing their fingers big time with the Trek Franchise now.

They need the new movies to succeed.

The storyline has seriously been altered in almost every version of Trek.

We've already been to the pre-Kirk era with a lot of changes being made there, besides the fact that the series wasn't received as well as the others.

So attempting to go back to that time again is a bust.

So much potential, but never taken advantage of. We might still be watching it today, or a long string of re-runs if it were done right.


And then the last 2 movies seriously changed the future (and present storyline ) in trek with the Romulan storyline. Either Romulas's government is in ruins or it's planet wiped out..

And the modern storyline-too many trips to the well at the same time...


I hope the movie franchise succeeds at least...

 

[Admiral Shran]

Considering Abrams constantly tries to insert the fact he's more a Star Wars fan than a Star Trek fan into every interview (even the bloody DVD!) and his cohorts explaining away any inconsistancies by saying "quantum mechanics" in much the same way one may say "a wizard did it." And then there's the basic storyline which has no form of logic to it at all. I've watched supposedly "mindless" action films which look like intellectual masterpieces compared to Trek XI. Hell, Nemesis scores better simply for not having anything as stupid as a galaxy destroying supernova.

Perhaps I should have said the movie was intended for the lowest common denominator. It was intended for the unwashed masses who think Star Trek and Star Wars are different chapters in the same franchise. This was clearly Abrams's target demographic, and I think he even admits as much himself. He wanted these people to watch his dumb space action flick, and labeled it Star Trek because of name recognition.

I acknowledge that there maybe someone of intellect who enjoyed it. But it remains a mystery to me why. Compared to other Trek, even Enterprise, XI is shallow and lifeless.

This is pretty much the way I see Trek XI. It's a mindless action flick with pretty 'splosions.

Now, I can like mindless action flicks with pretty 'spolsions. Hell, I'm a defender of Transformers and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen for crying out loud! However, those movies both admit that they're nothing more than mindless action moivies.

We're constantly told that Trek XI is something more. Well, sorry, it isn't. If they had simply said "This isn't supposed to have some deep allegorical meaning like The Undiscovered Country or The Wrath of Khan. It's simply an action movie set in the Star Trek universe," I could have accepted the movie for what it was. However, the producers and fans of Trek XI always say that it's on par with the best Trek ever produced.

There's no heart to the story, besides "things get blowed up real good."

 

[Shazam!]

^ That anyone who praises NEM for being the only good TNG movie yet trashes XI has a rathe suspect opinion.

What does Nemesis being the only good TNG movie have to do with Trek XI?

 

[CommanderRaytas]

We had three 24th-century Trek series and you want to go back?! The Alpha, Delta and Gamma quadrants were pretty thoroughly explored during 21 (overlapping) seasons.

That leaves Beta.

Gee, I wonder what the Mary Poppins-practically-perfect-in-every-way crew of the Voyaprise will discover there. I'm thinking ... Aliens!!
Some will be friendly .
Some will be hostile .
Some will be duplicitous .
Some will be stupid

.
Some will be boring

.
And some will be KLINGONS !!!!

The last three are redundant.

True, but it's still one of the funniest posts I have read in a while.

 

[Char Aznable]

^ That anyone who praises NEM for being the only good TNG movie yet trashes XI has a rathe suspect opinion.

What does Nemesis being the only good TNG movie have to do with Trek XI?

Simple. Anyone who thinks NEM was a great anythin other than failure, yet rips on XI, then that person is an idiot.

 

[barnaclelapse]

I'd say it's somewhere in the realm of "No promises" and "Never say never."

 

[CommanderRaytas]

^ That anyone who praises NEM for being the only good TNG movie yet trashes XI has a rathe suspect opinion.

What does Nemesis being the only good TNG movie have to do with Trek XI?

Simple. Anyone who thinks NEM was a great anythin other than failure, yet rips on XI, then that person is an idiot.

Why? Not that I am, because I like NEM and I love XI, but I don't necessarily see the connection you're making.

 

[Shazam!]

Anyone who thinks NEM was a great anythin other than failure, yet rips on XI, then that person is an idiot.

So.. if he had ripped on Nemesis and his opinion on Trek XI remained exactly the same that would be okay?

That doesn't really make any sense.

 

[RookieBatman]

^ That anyone who praises NEM for being the only good TNG movie yet trashes XI has a rathe suspect opinion.

What does Nemesis being the only good TNG movie have to do with Trek XI?

Simple. Anyone who thinks NEM was a great anythin other than failure, yet rips on XI, then that person is an idiot.

Or he simply has different tastes than you. (Perhaps his problem was expressing them too vocally, but then, should people not express their opinions vocally just because they're unpopular? Apparently not, on this board.)

 

[RookieBatman]

Not hide behind the term alternate timeline and use Nimoy as the last vestige to the "prime universe."

And then they don't even make the scene supposedly set in Prime look anything like the established Prime sets/uniforms/ship design, etc.

Granted, that didn't affect my enjoyment of the scene (the Kelvin scene was the best part of the movie, IMHO). I just act as if it follows from Enterprise, in an alternate reality from TOS. No biggie.

 

[indolover]

I think the execs are crossing their fingers big time with the Trek Franchise now.

They need the new movies to succeed.

The storyline has seriously been altered in almost every version of Trek.

We've already been to the pre-Kirk era with a lot of changes being made there, besides the fact that the series wasn't received as well as the others.

So attempting to go back to that time again is a bust.

So much potential, but never taken advantage of. We might still be watching it today, or a long string of re-runs if it were done right.


And then the last 2 movies seriously changed the future (and present storyline ) in trek with the Romulan storyline. Either Romulas's government is in ruins or it's planet wiped out..

And the modern storyline-too many trips to the well at the same time...


I hope the movie franchise succeeds at least...

Paramount only have themselves to blame if Trek is not a viable product for them.

Since the late 1990's Trek's quality has dipped. DS9 ended in 1999, and is arguably the best ever Trek series (perhaps on par or maybe better than TNG). But Voyager and Enterprise never got anywhere. Voyager had serious problems in it being on par with TNG and DS9 (even though IMO it was a good series in general) and Enterprise got cancelled.

It was the Voyager production team who did not let all characters have equal character development or even show time. it was the Enterprise production team who miscast characters. Nobody else then can be blamed.

I think the new Trek series commercially would be successes. but from then, there IMO should be a new series set in a different era from TOS or TNG/DS9/Voyager, which had the elements that made TNG and DS9 great. Good stories, well written characters, and good character development. If so, the franchise then should hold no problems at all.

 

[Greg Cox]

Trek XI is a loud and obnoxious mess which can only appeal to the unwashed masses who can't tell the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars.

Now, I hate the movie just as much as you do (as far as I know), but I don't think that's entirely fair. There are plenty of intelligent people that liked the movie. It need not be purely a matter of intelligence or that everyone who watched it was "unwashed" or following a herd mentality, or whatever. Despite the fact that you and I can see very little in it worth admiring, remember that it's all a matter of personal taste. Ours is just apparently very different from most people's. It doesn't mean they're stupid, or anything like that.

Thank you. I promised myself I wasn't going to get sucked into another debate about the pros and cons of the new movie. (It's been over a year. Time to let it go.) But I admit I bristle every time someone asserts that the movie only appeals to the "unwashed masses," "lowest common denominator," etcetera, and that no true STAR TREK fan can possibly like it. I'll stack my Trekkie credentials against anyone and resent being told (constantly) that real Trekkies have to hate the reboot.

Can we just agree that some lifelong fans don't like the new film, but that a lot of us do?

As for the Prime Universe, it is now a beloved chapter of tv history, like the TWILIGHT ZONE or DARK SHADOWS, but it's over now.

Except, of course, in the books and comics!

 

[RookieBatman]

Can we just agree that some lifelong fans don't like the new film, but that a lot of us do?

If we can also agree that not everyone who dislikes the movie only feels that way because they never gave it a chance, then you've got my vote.

 

[Greg Cox]

Can we just agree that some lifelong fans don't like the new film, but that a lot of us do?

If we can also agree that not everyone who dislikes the movie only feels that way because they never gave it a chance, then you've got my vote.

Fair enough!

 

[RookieBatman]

Now we just need two hundred signatures and some kind of plaque...

 

[Gary7]

I think the Star Trek franchise in TV form is dead. Any revisiting of the 24th Century will be in movie form... Abram's version.

Later on, once the whole media landscape has settled down (airwaves will probably shrink to just a few news channels), you might see something Star Trek like distributed through the SyFy channel. But no continuations of what has already been done. Most of the actors have moved on anyway. And even a full fledged series is not likely at first. Maybe a mini series, as a test run.

I do wonder if we might see Paramount looking to cash in on the efforts of fan fiction Star Trek shows. Some of what has been done so far is really impressive. With an infusion of just a little more money and talent, and you could end up with a fairly good run of episodes with budgets far below what was spent making Voyager episodes.

 

[Gary7]

Here's Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3JaxKHniVQ

And to answer your question from earlier, I do believe him and his brother's impressions on XI have softened in recent times. Likely because they were called out for things they got wrong in their review as well as insisting that NEM was quality.

I couldn't believe how fervently Matthew thought that Nemesis was the best Star Trek movies of all time. I really thought it was the absolute worst. A real shame and waste of resources. XI was better, yet fell flat in a lot of respects. Certainly not in the same sub league as Nemesis, though.

 

[Char Aznable]

I think the think that gets me most was how much he was praising Shinzon when he had to be ojectively the worst villain Trek has ever seen. The fact that CM thought his idiotic need to destroy Earth was only a minor nitpick is astounding.

 

[RookieBatman]

I think the think that gets me most was how much he was praising Shinzon when he had to be ojectively the worst villain Trek has ever seen.

Nobody is objectively the worst Trek villain. That's purely a subjective thing.

The fact that CM thought his idiotic need to destroy Earth was only a minor nitpick is astounding.

Idiotic need to destroy Earth? Sounds familiar...