I don't think we're going to get that far before they just reboot everything and reinvent and update TOS once again.
In honesty, how likely are we to see 24th century Trek again?
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Char Aznable
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Confused Matthew game Nemesis a pass yet trashed XI. That makes his opinion beyond worthless.
I can't decide; I do agree that AbramsTrek will likely only last the three movies, but after that, my opinion is that it's probably about 50/50 that they'll either reboot TOS again or reboot TNG.
I said I enjoyed XI very much yet though he didn't, seemingly at all, his criticisms of it still hold water.
I do wonder though if his, and his brother's thoughts on the movie changed since that recording given they did it immediately after seeing the movie and they were really hyper in that post-movie rush while bashing it. I liked Star Trek V for a few weeks after seeing it, but I was 11 and it was the first Trek movie I saw in theaters.
As for NEM, I gotta listen to that recording...what was he thinking?!
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I remember seeing Nemesis and for a short while I was exhilarated and excited about the movie, but that was because it was the first Star Trek movie I had ever saw on the big screen, and so it was a bit of a rush. That wore off rapidly, unlike Star Trek XI, which I still consider a fantastic Trek movie.
We had three 24th-century Trek series and you want to go back?! The Alpha, Delta and Gamma quadrants were pretty thoroughly explored during 21 (overlapping) seasons.
That leaves Beta.
Gee, I wonder what the Mary Poppins-practically-perfect-in-every-way crew of the Voyaprise will discover there. I'm thinking ... Aliens!!
Some will be friendly.
Some will be hostile.
Some will be duplicitous.
Some will be stupid.
Some will be boring.
And some will be KLINGONS!!!!
Okay, this is truly funny. Maybe there's been enough Trek forever.
Probably never. The franchise, for better or for worse, has moved on.
The first time I saw Nemesis, I said "That was crap!" My opinion hasn't changed. The first time I saw Trek XI, I said "That was crap with a bigger budget!" My opinion hasn't changed.
What does that even mean?
Char Aznable
Lieutenant Commander
^ That anyone who praises NEM for being the only good TNG movie yet trashes XI has a rathe suspect opinion. No need to thank me. 
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That's fine. Everyone's opinion differs on such things.
^ That anyone who praises NEM for being the only good TNG movie yet trashes XI has a rathe suspect opinion. No need to thank me.
Where's his NEM review? I can't find it and I really want to hear it.
Char Aznable
Lieutenant Commander
Here's Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3JaxKHniVQ
And to answer your question from earlier, I do believe him and his brother's impressions on XI have softened in recent times. Likely because they were called out for things they got wrong in their review as well as insisting that NEM was quality.
You know, I actually enjoy Nemesis. It is an enjoyable movie. It and Generations are the only TNG movies I like. Sure, there's loopy story logic, and it's a shut your brain off to enjoy type movie, but those can be fun at times. This is a true representation of what Star Trek is, can be and should be.
Trek XI is a loud and obnoxious mess which can only appeal to the unwashed masses who can't tell the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars.
Trek XI is a loud and obnoxious mess which can only appeal to the unwashed masses who can't tell the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars.
In the world of entertainment what goes around usually comes around. I wouldn't discount some future TNG film starring Daniel Radcliff as Captain Picard.
On the up side, there's a pretty good chance I won't be around to see it.
On the up side, there's a pretty good chance I won't be around to see it.
Now, I hate the movie just as much as you do (as far as I know), but I don't think that's entirely fair. There are plenty of intelligent people that liked the movie. It need not be purely a matter of intelligence or that everyone who watched it was "unwashed" or following a herd mentality, or whatever. Despite the fact that you and I can see very little in it worth admiring, remember that it's all a matter of personal taste. Ours is just apparently very different from most people's. It doesn't mean they're stupid, or anything like that.
Considering Abrams constantly tries to insert the fact he's more a Star Wars fan than a Star Trek fan into every interview (even the bloody DVD!) and his cohorts explaining away any inconsistancies by saying "quantum mechanics" in much the same way one may say "a wizard did it." And then there's the basic storyline which has no form of logic to it at all. I've watched supposedly "mindless" action films which look like intellectual masterpieces compared to Trek XI. Hell, Nemesis scores better simply for not having anything as stupid as a galaxy destroying supernova.
Perhaps I should have said the movie was intended for the lowest common denominator. It was intended for the unwashed masses who think Star Trek and Star Wars are different chapters in the same franchise. This was clearly Abrams's target demographic, and I think he even admits as much himself. He wanted these people to watch his dumb space action flick, and labeled it Star Trek because of name recognition.
I acknowledge that there maybe someone of intellect who enjoyed it. But it remains a mystery to me why. Compared to other Trek, even Enterprise, XI is shallow and lifeless.
The problem that I and, it appears many others, had with ST XI is that the fans were not the intended audience. This was all about drawing new people to the world of ST. TPTB rightly new that we would see it no matter what, so why bother to court us?
Honestly, another problem was that while they were trying to make it for new fans, they did not want to alienate the current ones, and their solution to this dilemna was to create all this alternate timeline bullshit with Nimoy Spock for the sake of the fans. Star Trek fans would likely jsut label the movie an alternate relity anyway, regardless of if it was explicitly said so or not. And since this is basically a reboot, they should have had the balls to properly reboot it and present it as such. Not hide behind the term alternate timeline and use Nimoy as the last vestige to the "prime universe."
Thing is, I truly believe it could have been possible to make a Star Trek movie that would have appealed to fans and non-fans alike and make it faithful to prior Trek. This could have been done as a proper reboot or even as a continuation of Prime Trek. Sadly, this did not factor into the equations for Abrams and his cohorts. They and Paramount were only considered with making a quick buck, and that's why we ended up with the mess of a film we have.
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