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Same canon?

It's certainly possible even if it doesn't necessarily seem to be the intent of TPTB.

But then, I've always figured there's at least two versions of the MU - one where the Terran Empire fell and one where it didn't...and then there could be different permutations of those. No way to know whether the DS9 folks always visited the same MU in any case.

I think in another thread I remarked that it's kind of surprising that Starfleet doesn't require quantum signature tests after incidents like these, to ensure people are in ther correct timeline.
 
But it's equally possible to split universes accroding to every discontinuity and changed premise, from James R. Kirk to Klingon heads to differing motivations of the Borg.

When I'm reading old novels like The Final Reflection or Strangers From the Sky I don't have any problems saying that, say, Federation transporters weren't invented until the 2230's or World War 3 happened differently for the duration of the stories that require them. I've never needed to say "It's an alternate universe" to be able to enjoy something. To me it's no different than suspending my disbelief and accepting that all aliens are humans (with silly head bumps or blue ot green skin colourations or whatever) and they all speak perfect English, or that the different Saaviks or Zephram Cochranes are the same people despite actor and personality changes (and they don't even have the AU excuse!)

I'm not sure if I'm in the minority or the noisy one of the silent majority :lol:.
 
Okay, Let's see if I can address these :)

Is XI considered to be an alternate timeline within the original canon, or is it a separate canon?
According to the writers, and as hinted at in the movie, it is an Alternate Reality, created in 2233 with the arrival of the Narada.
If they’re the same canon, there are some contradictions that are difficult to resolve. For example:

The characters played by Zoe Saldana and Anton Yelchin bear little resemblance to the characters played by Nichelle Nichols and Walter Koenig. The differences are not something that can easily be explained by the Narada's impact on the timeline.
We don't know what the characters were like in 2258, and some of the observed differences are probably more attributed to the acting talent playing the roles.

If Starships have evolved in a different direction, it is possible that Starfleet Training may have been subtly changed between 2233 and 2255.
Delta Vega is near the galactic perimeter in TOS and near Vulcan in XI.
There are 2 planetary bodies named Delta Vega.
In TOS, starships are a rare commodity, so much so that an object could leave Klingon space headed for Earth with only one Federation starship in a position to intercept and that one starship isn’t even ready for launch. In XI, the Federation is able to gather a TNG-ish 40-vessel fleet at Vulcan in almost no time.
It is not established that 40 vessels are sent to Vulcan, but there are around 7-8 ships. Starfleet obviously has a fair number more ships, and in TMP, we don't know where they are. It doesn't mean they don't exist.
At least five (Farragut, Walcott, Hood, Antares, and Enterprise) are on Earth and ready to go. Similarly, the Klingons are able to muster a 47-ship fleet to confront the Narada.
It's possible, since Rura Penthe is a Dilithium mining facility, that a large number of Klingon ships may have been in orbit gathering Dilithium, and perhaps guarding the captured Narada.

If the Narada comes to life after 25 years with those missiles, there goes the fleet.
Pike appears to be much older in XI than in TOS, despite XI being set nine years before The Cage.
The Cage was set 17 years prior to the Enterprise's first year under Kirk in 2266, which would place those events in the Talosian transmissions seen in The Menagerie in 2249.

This allows 6 years for Pike to go from mid-late 30s to early 40s.
The Kelvin has escape pods with which the entire crew is able to evacuate the ship.
Actually, the Kelvin has a large shuttle complement, and no mention is made of Escape Pods. If the ship was, as per the web site, a Survey ship, she might have a high complement of shuttles for hands-on planetary surveys.
Federation ships in TOS apparently have no such capacity.
Shuttles in TOS? Not on Constitution-class vessels. However, we don't know about ships from 2233, or whether other classes exist in 2255/2258 that would have a large shuttle complement.
In TOS, Chekov is 22 years old at the time of Who Mourns for Adonis. In XI, he is 17. But XI is set nine years before WMFA. (Maybe it’s possible that the Narada's intervention caused him to be born several years earlier than in the original timeline, but that seems like a stretch.)
This is more of an issue, but since Chekov was born after 2233 in both realities, conception point may have changed. It's as simple as hearing about a friend on the Kelvin changing their mood.
In XI, Scotty has a tribble at his post on Delta Vega. In TOS, removing a tribble from its predator-filled natural environment is a disaster.
Tribbles are certainly known about, and it's possible that a Neutered one was picked up along the way.

We also see Tribbles in a bar on Earth in Star Trek III.
Can all these differences be treksplained by the Narada’s intervention, or are they not required to be?
They can, for the most part be indirectly explained, via the Butterfly effect or a little imagination.

In practical terms, however, an explanation is not really needed.
 
But it's equally possible to split universes accroding to every discontinuity and changed premise, from James R. Kirk to Klingon heads to differing motivations of the Borg.

When I'm reading old novels like The Final Reflection or Strangers From the Sky I don't have any problems saying that, say, Federation transporters weren't invented until the 2230's or World War 3 happened differently for the duration of the stories that require them. I've never needed to say "It's an alternate universe" to be able to enjoy something. To me it's no different than suspending my disbelief and accepting that all aliens are humans (with silly head bumps or blue ot green skin colourations or whatever) and they all speak perfect English, or that the different Saaviks or Zephram Cochranes are the same people despite actor and personality changes (and they don't even have the AU excuse!)

I'm not sure if I'm in the minority or the noisy one of the silent majority :lol:.
I suspect many Trek fans are in this boat and simply don't see it as being necessary to expend a lot of effort getting worried about it all. The Trekverse is far more flexible than it is rigid, and is ultimately limited only by the imagination. The operative word in the phrase "willing suspension of disbelief" is "willing".
 
You know that both the people who are in charge of the books and comics are just aching to be the first to tell that NuKirk meets NuKhan story. However I can't see TPTB letting that particular meeting taking place in ancillary material like books or comics.

Such a historic moment must take place on the big screen. Be it this next film or the third installment. It will happen.

I’m looking forward to the NuKirk meets NuGod story. The Narada’s intervention couldn’t have affected anything beyond the Great Barrier at the galactic core, right? So He must still be there.


why can't it have affected it?

for example, Koth, a Kilingon is killed in the narada's attack on the klingon armada. His brother Poloth is consumed by rage and heads off in a bird-of-prey. He stumbles across God and kills him. No more God.

nothing has to happen the way it did, they can explain away anything using the Narada incursion as a reason for why it has changed.

That's why it was a brilliant idea. We have a nice new clean slate, and a nice intact old slate.
 
Some have gotten the idea that this was their Toy Box and suddenly other kids are playing with the toys in a way they dont like. Not realising that the actual owner said it was okay. ( and that they were only watching other kids play with the toys anyway)
 
So...you're saying we just saw J.J. playing with his dolls again, and those of us who don't like it should just pretend we didn't see him playing with his dolls. And remember that they are in fact his dolls, not ours? :)

Sorry, I was just remembering Spaceballs...
 
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