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The Problem with the Comic Book Industry

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Sometimes returns were nearly double the number of units sold.
If I was a publisher and two thirds of my books were being returned on a routine basis, I might consider reducing my print runs by two thirds.
It's a lose-lose situation for publishers, unfortunately. The lower the print run, the higher the price for individual issues in order to justify its production cost. The direct market actually allowed publishers to have lower print runs (and also put out more individual titles) without passing all of the price to the consumers. For the many complaints about comic book prices--and I've had my share as well--the price for some other non-comic book magazines are even worse. Magazines with only seventy or eighty pages running with $8.00 USD or $10.00 USD price tags because they have a small print run...
 
MEH. I gave up collecting aorund the early 90's. Like many I was tired of the increasing cost, mega crossover stories, back tracking on any big character development etc. etc. I havent missed it to much.

I actually have been going to the comic store with a buddy recently. I did buy a few issues of green lantern,(and read some spiderman in the shop) Just to see how far comics have come in the last 10-15 years. Not much has changed except the price of course. The weird thing is I just dont enjoy reading them anymore. Maybe its because Im going to be turning 40, i dont know. But its just seems like been there done that, when I read them. I really didnt get much joy out of it sadly. Sometimes you just cant go home again.:(:(
 
1. Comic book titles now tend to read like long-running soap operas. Every story leans heavily on the last three to five years of the character's history, so any newcomers to the title will feel lost..
Ive had problem with this recently, when I have been thinking of what comic books to buy/order.
I find it bit difficult at times, when it seems that I have to buy 5-15 trades and/or 20 issues of certain comic, in order to read the current issue(s):confused: :shifty:
(It becomes quite expensive money wise, after a while. Though, its not that I am shy of spending money for my hobbies:lol:)
For exsample, Ive been now looking into JSA and JLA, to choose a comic featuring a group of superheroes, in order to balance the other titles I have ordered:)
I have a feeling at times that DC Universe seems bit more complex than Marvel, who at least have list of titles for beginners on their website(That is actually a good idea:techman:)
 
As a kid, I was an avid comic book collector (mostly Spider-Man), but over the last couple of years, I've become disillusioned with the industry (at least the big names such as Marvel and DC). There are several reasons:

1. Comic book titles now tend to read like long-running soap operas. Every story leans heavily on the last three to five years of the character's history, so any newcomers to the title will feel lost. Sometimes a storyline runs for a year or more, and they're often just continuations of stories that have come before it. I tend to feel like I'm reading stories that are neverending, and that's just not very satisfying.

2. Comic book publishers are continuously trying to shake up their fictional universes. Take Marvel, for instance. Over the last ten years, we've had Avengers Disassembled, House of M, Civil War and Dark Reign, not to mention smaller changes such as Spider-Man: Other, Brand New Day and the assassination of Captain America. Not only do these changes get tiresome, but the publisher crosses the central plot over with a lot of their popular titles, making you feel that you have to collect a lot of different titles just to get the full story.

3. Whenever publishers do shake up their universes, it's either never permanent or an atrocity to the character. Who couldn't guess that Captain America or Batman wouldn't stay dead? On the flip side, I don't need to go into detail about what Brand New Day did to Spider-Man. It's not really worth the emotional investment in an event this big if everything just gets reset in the long run.

4. On top of all this, the price of the comic book has far exceeded the rate of inflation. When I started collecting, they were $1.25 apiece (and even that's high considering they started at 5 - 10 cents once upon a time). Now they're $3-$4 at best.

I'm a strong advocate for seeing comics return to their roots. I think the price of the book could drop without much loss in quality, and the stories could be more self-contained without the risk of losing any readership. This is why I'm a big fan of Marvel's Ultimate line: it's only a handful of titles that, so far, has only had one major shake-up in the last ten years (Ultimatum). Most of the characters that die stay dead. You can absorb most stories in one sitting (an Ultimate Spider-Man story never takes more than 6 - 7 issues), and most stories can be understood fairly well without having read previous issues (what little you do need to know is usually filled in by the "Previously" section on the first page). Why can't the entire industry be like this?

Ideally, I'd love to see Marvel and DC wrap up and shut down every one of their major titles. Let all of the heroes ride off into the sunset, and start each title over at issue #1 with an updated account of their origins. Repeat this process every 10 - 15 years, and let each of these "blocks" be its own fictional universe unrelated to the ones that came before or after it. Have no more than one or two universe-wide shake-ups during each block, and otherwise tell self-contained stories that never span more than 12 issues. Not only would you make these heroes feel more accessible to newcomers, you'd give people the ability to absorb the entire mythology of a character in a matter of days or weeks.

I would love, for instance, to trace every adventure Spider-Man has had since 1962, but that would take years. Fans of Superman or Batman have it even worse. It's very overwhelming. On the other hand, if Spider-Man had started over with a new "block" back in the 90s, I could read that entire block and get a complete picture of Spider-Man's history without feeling like I'm missing anything.

(Publishers would also avoid the inevitable canonical violations that occur when a title is "updated" to reflect modern technology or interests or when a new writer comes in, drops still-unresolved story threads and tries to take the character in a new direction.)

I was hoping that people more in the know than me could offer some insights into publishers like Marvel and DC these days. I don't understand why the price is so high now, why there are so many shake-ups and why the titles tell on-going stories that last years. It seems to me to be a very poor business model and a disrespectful treatment of the mythology.

The prices are ridiculous. Comic books used to be a cheap hobby. I'd buy them for 75 cents apiece in the late '80s. Now they're like, $4.99 and you have to buy 8 different titles to follow a story. And of course, there's not much story. It takes about five minutes to read an average title now. There's hardly any dialogue!
 
Which is why the fanboys need to get out of the bullpen and let the real creators, who respect the longevity of the material, come back in and make new comics for new readers, and save the industry.
 
The prices are ridiculous. Comic books used to be a cheap hobby. I'd buy them for 75 cents apiece in the late '80s. Now they're like, $4.99 and you have to buy 8 different titles to follow a story. And of course, there's not much story. It takes about five minutes to read an average title now. There's hardly any dialogue!

75 cents?? They were 20 cents in my day!
 
They were free when I started. If you were a good boy (girls didn't read them), Jack Kirby would climb down your chimney once a week and put your comics on your dresser.

We used to leave him scotch and cigars.
 
Which is why the fanboys need to get out of the bullpen and let the real creators, who respect the longevity of the material, come back in and make new comics for new readers, and save the industry.

Except that they've already been doing that with the DC Kids and Marvel Adventures titles. So what's your point?:vulcan::rolleyes:

As well, most of the 'real creators' are either dead or retired in most cases, and their storytelling skills may not even be that great (what happened with Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek: TNG comes to mind.) Again, what you said is massive fail.


The prices are ridiculous. Comic books used to be a cheap hobby. I'd buy them for 75 cents apiece in the late '80s. Now they're like, $4.99 and you have to buy 8 different titles to follow a story. And of course, there's not much story. It takes about five minutes to read an average title now. There's hardly any dialogue!

75 cents?? They were 20 cents in my day!

Have you two ever heard of something called inflation? That's why prices are high-they're like that for most magazines other than comic books as well.:vulcan::rolleyes:
 
The prices are ridiculous. Comic books used to be a cheap hobby. I'd buy them for 75 cents apiece in the late '80s. Now they're like, $4.99 and you have to buy 8 different titles to follow a story. And of course, there's not much story. It takes about five minutes to read an average title now. There's hardly any dialogue!

75 cents?? They were 20 cents in my day!

Have you two ever heard of something called inflation? That's why prices are high-they're like that for most magazines other than comic books as well.:vulcan::rolleyes:
2,500% inflation? At that rate, a can of soda should run you about $7.50
 
2,500% inflation? At that rate, a can of soda should run you about $7.50

A bottle of soda from some machines is now $2.00 from vending machines where I live (Toronto). The only ones that are as cheap as you say are sold at grocery stores, and are the store brand (some dollar stores sell pop for $.50.)
 
$2 for a vending machine can of soda?!

Where I live I see them go for anywhere between $.65 and $.80 cents, for a 12 ounce can of Coke or Pepsi. Perhaps he is referring to a 20 ounce bottle. But that still seems excessive.
 
The industry is surviving only because Hollywood is buying up the rights to virtually every title published. But that won't last forever and sales numbers continue to go down every year.
 
Which is why the fanboys need to get out of the bullpen and let the real creators, who respect the longevity of the material, come back in and make new comics for new readers, and save the industry.

Except that they've already been doing that with the DC Kids and Marvel Adventures titles. So what's your point?:vulcan::rolleyes:

As well, most of the 'real creators' are either dead or retired in most cases, and their storytelling skills may not even be that great (what happened with Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek: TNG comes to mind.) Again, what you said is massive fail.

I'm not talking about comics designed for those new to reading. DC Kids and Marvel Adventures are the latest from the big two to cater to the audience that Harvey used to serve. I mean new readers, who only come from the ranks of the underage. Answer me this, if you hadn't encountered comics prior to adulthood, would you read them?

And as for the real creators, I don't mean exclusively Jack Kirby or Charles Moulton Marston. I mean let the writers from 23/40 years ago, you know, Marv Wolfman, Roger Stern, and their contemporaries, come back and write the kind of stories that first got you hooked, so a new generation can be hooked, instead of the crap you wanted to see when you hit puberty and first became not the target audience.


The prices are ridiculous. Comic books used to be a cheap hobby. I'd buy them for 75 cents apiece in the late '80s. Now they're like, $4.99 and you have to buy 8 different titles to follow a story. And of course, there's not much story. It takes about five minutes to read an average title now. There's hardly any dialogue!

75 cents?? They were 20 cents in my day!

Have you two ever heard of something called inflation? That's why prices are high-they're like that for most magazines other than comic books as well.:vulcan::rolleyes:

The biggest cause of the price hike in comics is the decision by some idiot who wanted them priced out of the range of the target audience so only he and his cronies could have them to use only the most expensive materials to print them. If they went back to a matte finish paper that wasn't meant for museum quality art they could cut the price in half.

All this means, of course, Dusty, that in this flame war, the epic fail is you.
 
The biggest cause of the price hike in comics is the decision by some idiot who wanted them priced out of the range of the target audience so only he and his cronies could have them to use only the most expensive materials to print them. If they went back to a matte finish paper that wasn't meant for museum quality art they could cut the price in half.

Oh yes, go back to the cheap paper that degenerated over time and requires a polybag and a backing board to keep in great condition, and that is not even recyclable, plus, for the kind of artwork none now, doesn't even work. Nice.:vulcan::rolleyes:

All this means, of course, Dusty, that in this flame war, the epic fail is you.

The epic fail is you and those like you who think that comic books of the superhero genre are only for little kids-the same people who caused DC and Marvel to suffer low sales in the 1970's and early '80's, requiring changes to the way they both did business. If DC and Marvel listened to you, they would both be dead, and where would we be then?

What about the responsibility of the parents and the kids to get off of their asses, get to a bookstore, and buy the books in question? Whatever happened to that part of the equation? How about also going to the library and borrowing those books too, like I did when I was a kid? Oh yeah, I forget-nobody really does either thing anymore (except for Harry Potter and Twilight), so it's up to Marvel and DC to make cheap books on cheap paper to satisfy you and all of those other people who want things as they 'used to be' in a blind stab at nostalgia, and in the belief that comic books can still be sold at supermarkets, despite already presented evidence to the contrary: The Invisible Price Hike

Again, the failure is more on your part than mine.
 
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As a kid, I was an avid comic book collector (mostly Spider-Man), but over the last couple of years, I've become disillusioned with the industry (at least the big names such as Marvel and DC). There are several reasons:

1. Sometimes a storyline runs for a year or more, and they're often just continuations of stories that have come before it.

2. Comic book publishers are continuously trying to shake up their fictional universes. Not only do these changes get tiresome, but the publisher crosses the central plot over with a lot of their popular titles, making you feel that you have to collect a lot of different titles just to get the full story.

4. On top of all this, the price of the comic book has far exceeded the rate of inflation. It seems to me to be a very poor business model and a disrespectful treatment of the mythology.


1 - That I like - in the indy world where you have a completely encapsulated story. yes it is as you describe it but it also progresses naturally to a conclusion then (amazingly) concludes.

2 - Used to be a follower of those big time names and still have some fave characters amongst the heavy hitters but, yeah, all the messing around the big publishers did put me right off. Just don't buy any of that drek now. Indy all the way.

3 Prices even higher outside the mainstream but what's the odds high prices for crud or higher prices for cream. As for the business model it works well enough to keep DC & Marvel afloat. Respect ! The suits never had respect for characters or creators - not back as far as 40s / 50s.
 
The biggest cause of the price hike in comics is the decision by some idiot who wanted them priced out of the range of the target audience so only he and his cronies could have them to use only the most expensive materials to print them. If they went back to a matte finish paper that wasn't meant for museum quality art they could cut the price in half.

Well, this brings up a good point in the discussion. Does anybody know why comics have risen to 40 times their 1962 cover price? Is it just inflation combined with better paper stock, or are there other reasons? And just why are comics using such high-quality glossy paper these days, anyway?
 
Well, let's see, for DC's Batman (excluding issues that aren't the standard length of pages):

To 1961... 10 cents
1961... 12 cents
1969... 15 cents
1972... 20 cents
1975... 25 cents
1976... 30 cents
1977... 35 cents
1978... 40 cents
1980... 50 cents
1981... 60 cents
1983... 75 cents
1989... $1.00
1992... $1.25
1993... $1.50
1995... $1.99
2000... $2.25
2005... $2.50
2006... $2.99

If you want to break that down to every 10 years, you get:

1960... $0.10
1970... $0.15
1980... $0.50
1990... $1.00
2000... $2.25
2010... $2.99

I don't think it has to do with the quality of paper. If examined over time, the price increases have been done in such a way that no one paying close attention would notice and they would just blame everything on inflation.

The price hikes are definitely not anything recent and have been going on since the '70s from what I can tell.

There are either three things happening here:

1. The staff are getting better paid and recognized.
2. Fans are being taken for granted and ripped off.
3. Both.

I'm going with #3.

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By the way, using Consumer Price Index with 1960 as the standard, 10 cents in 1960 should cost:

13 cents in 1970
28 cents in 1980
44 cents in 1990
58 cents in 2000
74 cents in 2010

Here's how many more times comics cost than they "should" during each of these years when compared to 1960:

1970... 1.15 times what they "should" cost
1980... 1.79 times
1990... 2.27 times
2000... 3.88 times
2010... 4.05 times

On second thought, maybe paper quality does have something to do with it, and coloring techniques.

In 1980 and 1990, comics only cost twice as much as they should have, whereas in 2000 and 2010 they've cost four times as much; if you round off.
 
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