Excellent point. People seem to forget that fan-favorite TWOK was directed by a complete noob to the Star Trek universe. Does no one talk about the so-called "flaw" that Saavik cried at Spock's funeral?
I finally watched Nemesis...
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Excellent point. People seem to forget that fan-favorite TWOK was directed by a complete noob to the Star Trek universe. Does no one talk about the so-called "flaw" that Saavik cried at Spock's funeral?
Excellent point. People seem to forget that fan-favorite TWOK was directed by a complete noob to the Star Trek universe. Does no one talk about the so-called "flaw" that Saavik cried at Spock's funeral?
No, because Saavik was half-Romulan (although that line was cut).
One has to make a distinction between the directors who were unfamilar with Trek but were ready to dive into it, like Meyer, and those who were unfamilar with Trek and not ready to dive into it, like Baird. Meyer and Star Trek simply were on the same wavelength. He watched a couple of episodes (which was easier in his time since there were only 3 seasons of Trek and not 24), and immediately got the characters and feel.
The pre-publicity told us, for months, that she was a Romulan/Vulcan hybrid, and so did the Media ShoWest special long presentation trailer of ST II (shown at a huge convention monhs before the film's premiere), the "Starlog" movie magazine, many of the pro reviews and the best-selling Pocket novelization. The diehard fans fully expected that plot element would likely be explored in future movies, even though the line had been dropped from ST II. The return of Spock and Nimoy in ST III derailed all that.Does no one talk about the so-called "flaw" that Saavik cried at Spock's funeral?
As for the tears, Spock cries for V'ger in ST:TMP. We didn't see that footage until the ABC TV broadcast and the "Special Longer Version" on VHS but it, too, was a scene discussed by the fans.
Who's to say that the death and funeral of a mentor couldn't bring tears to the eyes of even a full young Vulcan?
I don't really think it is a flaw at all, which is why I used quotation marks. I failed at my attempt to be ironic. Sorry. It just seems to me that many fans state this or that movie has flaws but they seem to ignore similar flaws in other movies, which makes them come across as hypocritical.
Nick Meyer?
Excellent point. People seem to forget that fan-favorite TWOK was directed by a complete noob to the Star Trek universe.
The tumor jokes would have been so amusing.
The tumor jokes would have been so amusing.
"It's not a tooomor!"
What do you mean? There's a fair bit of nitpicking, but everything mentioned in the review is true.
Thanks by the way, I had never seen that. Wasn't there a part of the movie where Picard and Data were flying a small two-man fighter or shuttle through a Romulan ship? Where does that come in on the pictorial synopsis?
Right in between B4's rescue of Picard and the "shitty writing" conference.
Not really, a lot is opinion. When I have a few spare moments later today I'll post a line by line commentary on it.
RAMA
I like every Star Trek movie and Nemesis is no exception. I saw it in the theater and left it feeling pretty good. It was much later did I find out that some people really hated it.
My only complaints are that its theme was a bit dark and depressing and it didn't feel like hopeful movie. Just like Brent Spiner played both Data and B4 I think Patrick Stewart should have played Picard and Shinzon. What a missed opportunity that was!
But all in all I do enjoy that movie.
My only complaints are that its theme was a bit dark and depressing and it didn't feel like hopeful movie. Just like Brent Spiner played both Data and B4 I think Patrick Stewart should have played Picard and Shinzon. What a missed opportunity that was!
But all in all I do enjoy that movie.
ProtoAvatar
Fleet Captain
I disagree.
Star trek V is easily worse than Nemesis according to any criterion worth mentioning. V is, essentially, badly made fan-wankery - lacking on every level.
As far as cinematic feel goes, Nemesis is among the best star trek movies. This is also true regarding in-movie plot holes - and other criteria.
As I said, the greatest flaw of Nemesis is its pacing - it doesn't engage the viewer emotionally.
V is worse. But Nemesis is worse than TMP, god-awful costuming and all.
The premise was pretty stupid in the first place, and the execution was really inadequate. I don't like the whole Shinzon/Remans thing, I mean how stupid do you think we Romulans are?
The worst part is blowing up Data. Why sacrifice your thousand dollar iMac when you've got a Windows 95 you could blow up instead?
The premise was pretty stupid in the first place, and the execution was really inadequate. I don't like the whole Shinzon/Remans thing, I mean how stupid do you think we Romulans are?
The worst part is blowing up Data. Why sacrifice your thousand dollar iMac when you've got a Windows 95 you could blow up instead?
I find Star Trek V far more enjoyable. It's like a TOS episode. Effects may not be so good, and there are some flaws, but it's a feel good movie, and has great character interaction. Goldsmith's score for TFF is far better, too. And I'd prefer Luckinbill's performance over Hardy's any day.
Nemesis is a decent Trek movie with a lot of flaws. It's no classic, but it certainly ain't a bad movie either. Coulda been so much more though.
Nemesis might not be the worst Trek movie but it sure isn't the best one. My favorite (worst) line is when Picard is wanting to take the new Argo shuttle himself down to an unknown planet that can't be adequately scanned in the face of an incoming ion storm. To Riker: "There's no foreseeable danger." WHAT? THE F___! It's not really danger if it's foreseeable.
I was fortunate to see Nemesis the night before opening (theatre manager) right after we completed building our display for the movie. We converted our entrance hall to look like the damaged Enterprise corridor that Data jumps out of. We had just spent two weeks of extra time on it and then watched the movie. Everyone came out going "Uh... WTF?"
I was fortunate to see Nemesis the night before opening (theatre manager) right after we completed building our display for the movie. We converted our entrance hall to look like the damaged Enterprise corridor that Data jumps out of. We had just spent two weeks of extra time on it and then watched the movie. Everyone came out going "Uh... WTF?"
I have never hated Nemesis but it has never been one of my favorite Trek films. Having seen all three of Stuart Baird's directing efforts I believe that he should stick to editing films.
While they would not have fixed all of the flaws in the film I believe that it was a mistake to remove all of the character moments that were included in the DVD's deleted scenes sections. I enjoyed the scene between Picard and Data that takes place after the wedding and I enjoyed the scene of Worf and Geordi cleaning out Data's quarters.
While they would not have fixed all of the flaws in the film I believe that it was a mistake to remove all of the character moments that were included in the DVD's deleted scenes sections. I enjoyed the scene between Picard and Data that takes place after the wedding and I enjoyed the scene of Worf and Geordi cleaning out Data's quarters.
My condolences on the loss of your time.
darkwing_duck1
Vice Admiral
Please don't give those trolls free publicity...it just encourages them.
