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Nerys Ghemor's DS9 Episode Review Thread

I think you're right, that she's GOT to know on some levels that what Marritza said to her and about her is right. Otherwise I think she would've tried something else with Silaran later. We didn't even get "I'm sorry you suffered." Which wouldn't have even been an apology for the terror act, but at least an acknowledgment that Silaran didn't do anything to deserve being maimed as he was. I still would've had Silaran captured and committed to a mental institution for life without chance of parole because he was clearly, CLEARLY not of sound mind. But what Kira said truly disturbed me.

Oh, and on the transporters--that does make sense. But I think there would have to be some sort of precaution the Cardassians would use in the case of any unknowns, or suspected hostiles.
 
In the end, I only have two tiny nits about this episode at all, and they're very tiny. First, how did the image reconstruction actually shift perspective as it enhanced the image, and replace an entire half a face that wasn't even in the picture? Is that even possible??

It is fairly feasible in today's society. It may not be 100% accurate but current technology can pull a rough guess at the missing half of the face. So it's not that unbelievable that with the advancements in technology that it improves a bit.


Plus if Blade Runner taught us anything, you can get ANYTHING from an image ;)
 
Interesting--I did not know that. When I watched the image actually shift perspective in 3D and do that kind of reconstruction, I did question it, but that's fascinating to think that we're actually a little better technologically speaking in the 21st century than I thought.
 
I remember a news story a few years back about a person who had used that photoshop effect to swirl an image of their face and how it was possible to run the image through some software to essentially unswirl the image back to a rough idea of what it was beforehand. Sure it's not perfect but it's close enough.
 
OK...here's my review of "In the Hands of the Prophets."

Please, NO flaming. This episode deals with material some may find controversial and that others see as a matter of their deepest personal beliefs. DON'T repeat the mistakes of the characters in this episode, on either side.

First I have a little music for you, to set the mood for my response: "The Words of God," by Cat Faber, one of the few things I've ever found that captures my own take on the matter of science "versus" religion. (Though there is a factual error in the song in that it is questioned whether Galileo was actually tortured, or just put under severe political pressure. The house arrest and recanting, of course, no one disputes.)

Here are my thoughts now, in order as they came while I watched the episode.

First, Keiko was very mean to O'Brien, with the "watch where you keep your jumja stick." As it turned out, Neela was evil and the warning got O'Brien to check behind Neela's back...but still, it just seemed mean-spirited.

But the one real problem I have with this episode is that until the end, we get very few hints that there is any other way of framing this conflict except as science versus religion. Both Winn AND Keiko are in a sense extremists in their views. True, Keiko would never commit violence, but there are SO many solutions that were missed, that could have been put into place, without either party having to dig in their heels. Of course, Winn was going to find a way to dig her heels in no matter what, but had she handled it right, I think Keiko could have knocked Winn's credibility right out from under her.

Here's how I would've handled it. Rather than acting as though there was a contradiction between Bajoran beliefs and science, I would have said that explainability of ANY phenomenon from a scientific perspective does not preclude creation or purpose...it simply lets us see how it was done, and from there, those who believe can appreciate those works from the perspective of their faith. Understanding the physical means of creation takes nothing from the spiritual. What Keiko did instead was act as though ALL interpretations must be fundamentalist.

Now, I think that Winn's terrorist acts would not have changed--and Neela was set in what she was going to do. But I think the effect this would've had on the reasonable Bajorans would've been to leave Winn with a lot less credibility, because Kira is right that science with a refusal to admit spirituality is a philosophy in itself...and this is right because to claim science can speak on non-falsifiable things (which pure science cannot) takes it beyond its purview.

At the beginning of the episode, Sisko wasn't doing too well, either--he sounded as though bringing Bajor into the Federation means changing their religious belief, and ridding them of the influence of the more orthodox sects. "Common ground to bring Bajor into the Federation" is something that suggests that yes, the secular philosophy IS Federation-wide, even though it is centered on humanity and Vulcan. Also, a view has arisen among some Bajorans that the Federation is "godless"...this may be substantiated, though of course we have to be careful considering that Winn may have been the source of some of those rumors.

Back to Winn for a moment. Opaka's comment that "one must never look into the eyes of one's own gods" was VERY telling about Winn, as was what Winn added, that she would do ANYTHING to do so. Anyone who thinks that what Winn did with Dukat and the Pah-Wraiths later on was out of character need only look back to this. Great foreshadowing of what she did with the Pah-Wraiths and why she was susceptible to Dukat. She really was MADE for him. She's the kind of person who makes "I'll pray for you" an insult. (Though in her case it was usually "The Prophets forgive you.")

Now, back to Keiko. She didn't help matters with the clear "up yours" she sent with the Galileo lesson--or at least, if she taught that without any examples of a different kind of relationship, which I get the impression she did. Why not a lesson about Theodosius Dobzhansky or some of the Muslim astronomers, in addition to the lesson about Galileo?

There are MANY solutions that could have been worked out to the actual problem. One question I would ask is if the on-station temple does anything equivalent to Sunday school. Reaching out to these teachers would be useful, and a number of things could be done, all on a parental opt-in basis (meaning that parents would have absolute control over whether or not their children attend any of the proposed events). One would be for an after-school/Sunday-school type program to simply address the Celestial Temple during the same general time frame it's addressed in school. Obviously Bajoran parents that want their children to attend temple school would be in total control over that.

Of course, the concern here is that you have no bridge-building going on. Another option would be a class field trip to the temple on-station...TOTALLY opt-in, no impact on grades. Any Federation or Bajoran parent who does not want to sign the permission slip will have the option to do so, so that parents have total choice as to what their children are exposed to.

What I would not concede--and where I think Keiko was right--was any notion that nothing should be taught. And even if I did NONE of the above measures, I might start the lecture by saying that children should ask their parents about the subject of the wormhole and find out what they think. Again, that shifts the emphasis to the parents, and I think is a wise middle ground so that parents do not have to feel that they have no control over their kids' education. But if Keiko is confident in her position, then inviting parental involvement should be no threat to her whatsoever.

Now when Sisko sat down and talked with Jake later, he's doing EXACTLY what I think is a good idea (and I think that throughout the series he can be applauded as an example of what an involved and capable single father is--something you rarely ever see on TV). Obviously Commander Sisko has his particular set of values and beliefs that he wants to raise his son with. What's good is that in the process of doing so, Sisko is right to point out the hypocrisy of looking down on believers, and doesn't let his son get away with calling them stupid. If more people could learn from that example, I think the world would be a much happier place.

Bareil is someone else who, for the most part, comes off very nicely. He's a much more transparent person, compared to Winn, in interests and dress, and also not as fixed on ritual. His one failing, to my mind, is that he's still a bit too political--but he seemed rather chastised when the violence got out of hand and though he didn't admit it in so many words, I think he realized that his failure to stand up sooner may have done damage. And in a lot of ways, this is the exact situation that religious moderates in the real world run into--going against fundamentalists can be a politically "dangerous" maneuver because you're seen as "allying with the godless"...but it's like what I said with Keiko: if you're confident in your position, then in my personal opinion it shouldn't matter how anyone tries to paint you--truth is truth.

When Bareil starts to speak at the end, we only get a snippet, but he does hint at a Bajor that was once NOT so fundamentalist--the line I heard very clearly was that he referred to Bajor as a center of learning where people would come from many worlds to study with them. (In a lot of ways what I've done with my AU Cardassia is similar.) In some ways I think the fundamentalism got popular in the tumultuous climate during and after the Occupation, just as Wahhabi Islam has, or fundamentalist Christianity...and this is yet another example of DS9 being WAY ahead of its time in recognizing these issues.

The interesting one at the very end is Kira, when she sees Neela being taken away, sees Winn for what she is, and has to see exactly what fundamentalism does to people...and learns that what it means to be a good and faithful servant does NOT mean having to be the most fundamentalist that you can be--especially once she sees what that can turn you into. And the respect Sisko shows in the end for her beliefs is very inspiring.

And it's very fitting that the first season ends that way--given the very nasty introduction Sisko and Kira had, to have them admit openly that there really has been progress in their relationship is a huge moment. Most TNG seasons, before then, had ended on a cliffhanger, and it's interesting that this season doesn't end that way. It feels more like the end of a chapter, a nice breather where you can put the book down for a bit and think about what you've seen.

The one clunker in this episode was the way the whole "NOOOOOO!" moment was shot...it was a little OVERLY dramatic. However, for once the music stood out--and while it certainly wasn't Bear McCreary quality, there was something almost "Passacaglia"-like when it first started!

Overall, the entire first season was not the bomb some people make it out to be. There were some episodes of lesser quality, and certain actors hadn't quite found their groove yet (Siddig being the most obvious example), but this is VERY high quality compared to the first season of the other series.

Now on to a few interesting tidbits...

There was the suspicion from before that Bajor had the death penalty, but until this episode we couldn't be sure whether it was just because Marritza couldn't imagine anything else (since Cardassia definitely has it), but Neela's line confirms that Bajoran law is very clear on this matter.

On set decoration--inside the Bajoran temple, we got a couple of nice shots of the figures represented in the temple itself. I found myself wondering who those statues represented...

One final note that I saw in Odo's mannerisms here--I just noticed that he almost has the same mannerisms as a Cardassian, when you look at how he bows his head to acknowledge something! The mannerism isn't quite like Garak's or Glinn Daro's, but the similarity is there. Definitely shows where he came from...
 
And it's very fitting that the first season ends that way--given the very nasty introduction Sisko and Kira had, to have them admit openly that there really has been progress in their relationship is a huge moment. Most TNG seasons, before then, had ended on a cliffhanger, and it's interesting that this season doesn't end that way. It feels more like the end of a chapter, a nice breather where you can put the book down for a bit and think about what you've seen.
It has to be the most daring final scene of a season Trek's ever done. No cliffhanger, no ominous dialog, no tense teaser of where the series is going next season. Just a simple acknowledgement that, yes, people can overcome their differences - now let's see where we go from here.

Was there ever another like it?
 
But the one real problem I have with this episode is that until the end, we get very few hints that there is any other way of framing this conflict except as science versus religion. Both Winn AND Keiko are in a sense extremists in their views. True, Keiko would never commit violence, but there are SO many solutions that were missed, that could have been put into place, without either party having to dig in their heels. Of course, Winn was going to find a way to dig her heels in no matter what, but had she handled it right, I think Keiko could have knocked Winn's credibility right out from under her.

Here's how I would've handled it. Rather than acting as though there was a contradiction between Bajoran beliefs and science, I would have said that explainability of ANY phenomenon from a scientific perspective does not preclude creation or purpose...it simply lets us see how it was done, and from there, those who believe can appreciate those works from the perspective of their faith. Understanding the physical means of creation takes nothing from the spiritual. What Keiko did instead was act as though ALL interpretations must be fundamentalist.

Now, I think that Winn's terrorist acts would not have changed--and Neela was set in what she was going to do. But I think the effect this would've had on the reasonable Bajorans would've been to leave Winn with a lot less credibility, because Kira is right that science with a refusal to admit spirituality is a philosophy in itself...and this is right because to claim science can speak on non-falsifiable things (which pure science cannot) takes it beyond its purview.

At the beginning of the episode, Sisko wasn't doing too well, either--he sounded as though bringing Bajor into the Federation means changing their religious belief, and ridding them of the influence of the more orthodox sects. "Common ground to bring Bajor into the Federation" is something that suggests that yes, the secular philosophy IS Federation-wide, even though it is centered on humanity and Vulcan. Also, a view has arisen among some Bajorans that the Federation is "godless"...this may be substantiated, though of course we have to be careful considering that Winn may have been the source of some of those rumors.

Back to Winn for a moment. Opaka's comment that "one must never look into the eyes of one's own gods" was VERY telling about Winn, as was what Winn added, that she would do ANYTHING to do so. Anyone who thinks that what Winn did with Dukat and the Pah-Wraiths later on was out of character need only look back to this. Great foreshadowing of what she did with the Pah-Wraiths and why she was susceptible to Dukat. She really was MADE for him. She's the kind of person who makes "I'll pray for you" an insult. (Though in her case it was usually "The Prophets forgive you.")

Now, back to Keiko. She didn't help matters with the clear "up yours" she sent with the Galileo lesson--or at least, if she taught that without any examples of a different kind of relationship, which I get the impression she did. Why not a lesson about Theodosius Dobzhansky or some of the Muslim astronomers, in addition to the lesson about Galileo?
Well, that's Keiko's failing, but I don't see it as the episode's failing. There are many secularists in RL who see science and religion as incompatible and dismiss religion altogether (there are plenty of examples on this forum as well), and the actions of religious fundamentalists serve to confirm their views, or make them believe that in the first place. It's true to life, and besides, do you really want Winn (the obvious villain of the piece) pitted against a perfect and wise Federation citizen who can't have any criticism leveled against them. Can you say one-sided. Pitting Winn against a person with more moderate views, which would only weaken the conflict, and, as you said, might have weakened Winn's position with some of the religious Bajorans right from the start. You don't want to weaken the main conflict in drama, you want it to escalate before you introduce more moderate views and solutions.
 
I think it would have been better had a middle view been more clearly articulated, though--the whole thing is that this is a debate that doesn't even need to be a big deal in the first place. Sisko and Bareil started to head that direction, which is far more than I can say for TNG (or, for that matter, "Let He Who Is Without Sin"), but I think the episode would've made a much better statement if it hadn't been so clearcut as SCIENCE = GOOD, RELIGION = BAD. Even a word with Keiko about being deliberately inflammatory as she did later in the story would've been a good thing, even if done completely in private and after the fact so that neither would appear to lose face in public. For the statement made to the viewer, it would've been better.

(And of course on the other side, Kira certainly ripped Winn a new one, so the other side got a pretty solid condemnation for its part even though Winn wasn't executed as she should've been.)
 
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Wellllll, I got back to exercising again, which of course means I need something to pass my time. So I'm back to episode reviews--or will be soon!

The next reviews I'll post will be a 3-episode special: the Circle Trilogy!
 
Oh, my...I can't believe I never posted what I thought of the Circle Trilogy!

I'll have to revisit that at another time. But tonight I watched "Invasive Procedures."

This definitely opens by showing Terry Farrell's weakness at acting as they describe conditions aboard the ship--there should be at least some tension, considering this is a situation where the station had to be evacuated. The other actors seem to have some difficulty with this (though at least Nana Visitor was least prone to it), but it sticks out particularly badly with Farrell.

Now, if Quark is in an odd place with odd behavior...surely paranoid Odo should've checked that out? Or O'Brien, who has war experience? Wouldn't sweeping the area be a matter of procedure? Right from the gate, the setup isn't looking good on this one. Also in the "improper military procedure" category is allowing the station to be SO minimally manned it could've been seized. After all, the Cardassians could've taken it back, too, had they so desired.

We do learn two things about Odo here: one--there's definitely proof that his mass changes when he shapeshifts, and the commbadge...this time...isn't part of him. But we can see that it doesn't change when it comes off of him.

As for Quark...he should've been jettisoned out the nearest airlock after allowing this takeover.

Continuity error: "One Trill in ten is chosen to be joined"? Someone didn't catch that when they wrote "Equilibrium," though granted, they did get the "psychological damage" element.

The one thing I do wonder...though there were supposed to be some neural blocks in place, I wonder if Verad found out about Joran somehow and hoped to take advantage. (Though maybe this began the weakening of that neural block.)

I also can't believe that Sisko or Bashir would consent to a thing like this rather than fight. There are two officers who should be qualified to fight--O'Brien and Kira. (The rest...well, this is part of the reason why in my fanfic, I portray Starfleet as weak in comparison to a true military.)

It was interesting to hear Tim Russ's voice coming from one of the Klingons. But with such a weak script, it didn't really help. :(

The one fun part was watching Quark attack one of the Klingons and then fake sick in the Infirmary. Still doesn't make up for what he did, though.

Though it would have a little if Sisko had shot Verad in the back Cardassian style. ;)
 
I'm not good at keeping up with it. ;)

Just be careful...I do talk about later events and seasons even in the early episodes.
 
"The Circle" trilogy...


I think that one of the reasons I was hesitant to review this one wasn't just how much content I wanted to cover. It's the fact that some of it seems, before its time, to have really paralleled events and politics in real life. During the times when DS9 was written, that was something that could be explored without feeling that much of a stake in it. These days...the result tends to be a flame war, and with the parallels that could be drawn to Iraq, I think I just didn't want to get into it, as much as I enjoyed these episodes. And frankly, I am not that trusting to think that a civil discussion could happen.

So in the end...I think I'm just going to say that I very much enjoyed these episodes--but skip over a full review; I'm just not interested in heading down that path.

The only comment I will make is that it seems like the character of Li Nalas really stuck with me; one of my fanfic characters seems to have taken after him, both in personality and mannerisms.
 
"The Circle" trilogy...


I think that one of the reasons I was hesitant to review this one wasn't just how much content I wanted to cover. It's the fact that some of it seems, before its time, to have really paralleled events and politics in real life. During the times when DS9 was written, that was something that could be explored without feeling that much of a stake in it. These days...the result tends to be a flame war, and with the parallels that could be drawn to Iraq, I think I just didn't want to get into it, as much as I enjoyed these episodes. And frankly, I am not that trusting to think that a civil discussion could happen.

So in the end...I think I'm just going to say that I very much enjoyed these episodes--but skip over a full review; I'm just not interested in heading down that path.

The only comment I will make is that it seems like the character of Li Nalas really stuck with me; one of my fanfic characters seems to have taken after him, both in personality and mannerisms.
I really enjoyed them, and they had a boatload of fantastic guest stars. It seems, most only love 2 parts, and think the 3rd part didn't measure up to the other 2, but, I loved all 3 parts.
 
I loved the Circle trilogy--and while I certainly see the parallels between the Circle and, say, the Taliban (terrorist/mafia)--I never really saw it as an Iraq parallel, per se.
 
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