Do you accept that Voyager "killed" the Borg as a major Trek enemy?

[RobertScorpio]

Re: Do you accept that Voyager "killed" the Borg as a major Trek enemy

True...but the Voyager is pretty much tip-toeing through Borg space, where there are supposedly thousands of cubes, for at least two season. That just seemed a bit too much to me.

Rob

 

[froot]

Re: Do you accept that Voyager "killed" the Borg as a major Trek enemy

True...but the Voyager is pretty much tip-toeing through Borg space, where there are supposedly thousands of cubes, for at least two season. That just seemed a bit too much to me.

Rob

They were in Borg space only in three episodes, not two seasons. Kes threw them clear in "The Gift." The only reason Voyager survived is because the Borg were fighting with 8472 at the time.

Voy was hardly running around blowing up Borg cubes every episode. Usually the Borg scared the pants off them. Voy took down Borg ships only with outside help or viruses.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Re: Do you accept that Voyager "killed" the Borg as a major Trek enemy

By the looks of it, and maybe I'm wrong, but the Borg seem to have 1000s of ships. And, being in the Delta Quadrant, and a highly sought after target at that, I just find it hard to believe the Voyager occaisionally bumped into the Borg in the Borg's backyard. Yet Picard and company can bump into Federation ships all over the place.

Rob

 

[Anwar]

Re: Do you accept that Voyager "killed" the Borg as a major Trek enemy

The Borg weren't actively hunting them. Unless VOY did anything to really get noticed the Borg would ignore them like the insignificant thing they were. After the 8472 were gone, the Borg didn't need the nano-weaponry VOY had anymore so they just let VOY go and shrugged the whole thing off.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Re: Do you accept that Voyager "killed" the Borg as a major Trek enemy

3 years later, Auxum was in a Borg Cude patrolling the boarder of Fluidic Space.

fuck.

I started a post so offensive about Unimatrix Zero once that the Author was pulled onto the internet to defend himself and humble me.

Good times.

I can't believe I didn't ask him about "the Border of Fluidic Space" considering how incongruous that geographical description seems compared to assumptions made by people who'd actually watched Scorpion for fun.

 

[Linnis Paris]

Re: Do you accept that Voyager "killed" the Borg as a major Trek enemy

I have to have to re-watch VOY again.


They still seem to come out better than ships that have back up, Federation space stations to re-supply on etc.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Re: Do you accept that Voyager "killed" the Borg as a major Trek enemy

Well, thats another issue of mine with Voyager. I know, for cost reasons, they couldn't really change the ship too much because it would render 'stock' footage useless. But the ship pretty much looks the same, seven years later, as it did at the start. No burn marks, no alien technology acting as bandaids. In fact, after getting fueled up and new food stores, the Voyager could have been put right back into service the next day.

I know the crew was good, but that good?

Having said that; the show is entertaining. Some good stories here and there. Not my favorite of the modern Treks, but entertaining.

Rob

 

[Linnis Paris]

Re: Do you accept that Voyager "killed" the Borg as a major Trek enemy

Yes, that's it. It doesn't really look like they've had to make do as much as you'd expect.

 

[Pemmer Harge]

Re: Do you accept that Voyager "killed" the Borg as a major Trek enemy

I don't think I Borg or Descent made the Borg less threatening at all. In the former they never actually came into conflict with the collective, and in the latter the Borg they encountered weren't really Borg at all. They were just Lore's ex-Borg minions.

What did hurt them for me was First Contact. They were far more scary when they were a collective consciousness without leaders.

Beyond that, yes, I do share most of the standard litany of complaints about Voyager's handling of the Borg - especially the queen's fixation on Janeway and Seven. That said, I don't think the Borg were ever exactly "killed" as a major enemy - they were still cool enough at the end of Voyager, they just weren't scary like they were in TNG.

 

[Brit]

Re: Do you accept that Voyager "killed" the Borg as a major Trek enemy

That said, I don't think the Borg were ever exactly "killed" as a major enemy - they were still cool enough at the end of Voyager, they just weren't scary like they were in TNG.

This is true, the Borg were not a scary in Voyager as in TNG, and some of that came from the fact that by then we knew they could be defeated. But also we changed too, because all the Trek Shows were aimed at a here and now audience, the villain had to be something that scared us and that changes, you can see the biggest difference between TOS and NG. I think right now, especially after 9/11 we are far more afraid of the isolated group or individual that can strike when we least expect it, and this is more like Nero in the last movie.

Brit