Female Condom Unveiled For World Cup

[STR]

Roughly 3/4 rapes (in America, worldwide numbers are in the area of 3/5) are committed by people the victim knows and trusts (up to that point). Seemingly random nighttime assaults, that everyone fears and a device like this is designed to thwart, are a little more than 1/4.

So what can you do to stop a friend (or relative) from violating you?

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That's the kind of awful conundrum we really have to worry about. Not a stupid, and irrelevant, chunk of rubber and plastic.

 

[thestrangequark]

SOV, you are a good guy and you don't need to justify yourself by saying you think rape is deplorable, I know you do. And I know your comments weren't intended to make light of the situation. However, I still believe that concerns about bitter women misusing this device are ludicrous. As Rii said, it all comes down to sharp things near the penis. Iguana, reasonably pointed out that just as women have a primal fear of rape, men have a primal fear of anything bad happening to that particular bit -- certainly! However, this is a device that doesn't even penetrate the skin, that causes pain and restricts movement but apparently no perainent damage, and all the crazy ladies (or desperate women) who desire to injure or mutilate a man's genitalia could find any number of ways of doing so. Also, if the device is great for South Africa why should it invoke so much fear and concern in the hands of women in the rest of the world? Just because the statistics are a bit lower? You yourself said that thousands of women are raped each day in the United States -- compare that figure to the number of men who have their penis injured by a woman.
I hate to go all Super Feminist, but I honestly think that the concerns come down to the simple fact that this a is a defense, or weapon, or tool -- whatever one wants to call it -- that can be wielded only by a vagina. And that frightens some men terribly.

If a woman believes she is in constant danger, there has to be another more normal road besides this. I just think that this device was created out of fear. And whenever you let fear into your life, it takes control of your normal every day happy life.

I mean, there is a point of natural protection or self defense, but I think that God didn't intend for us to go to this extreme when it comes to protecting the body.

At least in my opinion anyways.

Luther, let's pretend for a moment that you are a woman in South Africa. More than a quarter of the men in your country have admitted to being repeat rapists. 73% of those rapists claim they committed their first rape before the age of 20. It is estimated that nearly 2,000 rapes are committed each day. One in three women, when questioned "by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year." In the past year! Now, would you or wouldn't you believe you were "in constant danger" of being raped? Do you really think that, in that environment, this device is actually all that extreme?

And, frankly, God can stay out of my vagina and every South African woman's too, thank you very much. If he'd be so concerned about such an "unnatural" defense then maybe he should stop letting thousands of women be raped every single day.

yes they have a big problem in Afica with AIDS too.

but God will help sometimes if used in the right way even a praynig can help.

but if you are in a sitation such as rape nothing will help but to scream and and fight the man with all you can and hope someone comes to help you.

mr Sloan also has some good points to waht he was trying to get across.

i hope you will have a look at some of my posts.

I've read everyone's posts in this thread very thoroughly, but I have to say I completely disagree with Luther Sloan. In fact, I think he had not one single "good point" in his post. His post gives the impression of a man who has no concept of the reality these women face. They don't "believe they are in constant danger of being raped," they are in constant danger of being raped. They are not ruining their "happy lives" be "allowing fear" into them. They are being realistic about the society in which they live. A society where not only the rape of women is a constant threat, but the rape of children and babies -- yes, babies, like these babies, 5 and 9 months old, who were GANG RAPED by groups of men -- is a constant threat. 67,000 cases of child rape were reported in South Africa in the year 2000. And there is nothing any more "unnatural" about this device than there is any other weapon designed and wielded by man. Luther Sloan's intentions might be good, but his reasoning is deeply misinformed and flawed.

If there was a God and he was actually concerned about what's going into the vaginas of women, don't you think he'd be a bit more concerned about the violent, forced insertion of penises into little baby girls to the point where they require "extensive reconstructive surgery" a bit more than the insertion of an anti-rape condom?

ETA: If anyone is interested as to where I am getting my figures, it is a combination of Times articles, BBC news archives, humanitarian websites, and Wikipedia -- they have a page titled "Sexual Violence in South Africa," read on, good people.

 

[Angela 0077]

You need to stop doing so many paragraph breaks. It makes your posts difficult to read because they flow oddly.

My posts are alright and everyone else seems to understand what l am writing about except for you mate

But l will take care to not paragraph too much if it is looking out of place here on this thread.

i also would like to say that it would be nice if you would spell New York the right way under your Avatar


New Yaawk doesnt seem to be splelt right smiles

 

[Luther Sloan]

Luther, let's pretend for a moment that you are a woman in South Africa. More than a quarter of the men in your country have admitted to being repeat rapists. 73% of those rapists claim they committed their first rape before the age of 20. It is estimated that nearly 2,000 rapes are committed each day. One in three women, when questioned "by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year." In the past year! Now, would you or wouldn't you believe you were "in constant danger" of being raped? Do you really think that, in that environment, this device is actually all that extreme?

Strange Quark:

All I am saying is that there are other ways besides this.
I don't have to list them to know that they exist. More natural ways. And yes. It is sad that they are under attack like this. But putting a band-aid on a severed leg is not the answer.

If there was a God and he was actually concerned about what's going into the vaginas of women, don't you think he'd be a bit more concerned about the violent, forced insertion of penises into little baby girls to the point where they require "extensive reconstructive surgery" a bit more than the insertion of an anti-rape condom?

Okay. No need to get vulgar now. Besides, it is not God's fault that this happens. He has given man free will to do what he wants to do. To follow Him or their own ways. But don't think for a second that their crimes will not go unpunished if they continue to do evil the rest of their life, though.

 

[Angela 0077]

i do think that Mr Sloan would understand about a woman being raped and what that person had or is going through
ii god can help in any way you would take it even if it didnt help in the sitation you are in.






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[thestrangequark]

^I am an Atheist. Either God doesn't exist, or he is unimaginably cruel. I find it more comforting to believe that he does not exist.

Luther, let's pretend for a moment that you are a woman in South Africa. More than a quarter of the men in your country have admitted to being repeat rapists. 73% of those rapists claim they committed their first rape before the age of 20. It is estimated that nearly 2,000 rapes are committed each day. One in three women, when questioned "by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year." In the past year! Now, would you or wouldn't you believe you were "in constant danger" of being raped? Do you really think that, in that environment, this device is actually all that extreme?

Strange Quark:

All I am saying is that there are other ways besides this.
I don't have to list them to know that they exist. More natural ways. And yes. It is sad that they are under attack like this. But putting a band-aid on a severed leg is not the answer.

Exactly how is this unnatural?

If there was a God and he was actually concerned about what's going into the vaginas of women, don't you think he'd be a bit more concerned about the violent, forced insertion of penises into little baby girls to the point where they require "extensive reconstructive surgery" a bit more than the insertion of an anti-rape condom?

Okay. No need to get vulgar now. Besides, it is not God's fault that this happens. He has given man free will to do what he wants to do. To follow Him or their own ways. But don't think for a second that their crimes will not go unpunished if they continue to do evil the rest of their life, though.

I am not being vulgar, Luther I am stating the facts to try to give you some perspective on the situation. Women are raped in South Africa, about 500,000 a year. BABIES are raped in South Africa, gang raped to death. If you cannot stomach that then you really have no right to pass any judgements on the defensive weapons being discussed.
Do you even understand how downright insulting your statement about women ruining their lives with fear is, given what happens to them?

 

[Angela 0077]

Of cause there are other ways and that is to pray and scream and hope someone hears you

also it is a good idea not to walk on your own late at night if you have to have someone with you

Evebn if you have to work get a workmate to come with you to your car

if taking public transsport get into a carriage full of people not in one that is empty

i think that the condonm would help but like l said if you are gang raped you would only get one perosn and not the reat

in Australia the culture is changing and certain beliefs are brought into the country

This is concerning what they think of the western woman
Alot of middle eastern men have been oput into prison because of this and there ways they bring into this country/

 

[Angela 0077]

^I am an Atheist. Either God doesn't exist, or he is unimaginably cruel. I find it more comforting to believe that he does not exist.

Luther, let's pretend for a moment that you are a woman in South Africa. More than a quarter of the men in your country have admitted to being repeat rapists. 73% of those rapists claim they committed their first rape before the age of 20. It is estimated that nearly 2,000 rapes are committed each day. One in three women, when questioned "by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year." In the past year! Now, would you or wouldn't you believe you were "in constant danger" of being raped? Do you really think that, in that environment, this device is actually all that extreme?

Strange Quark:

All I am saying is that there are other ways besides this.
I don't have to list them to know that they exist. More natural ways. And yes. It is sad that they are under attack like this. But putting a band-aid on a severed leg is not the answer.

Exactly how is this unnatural?

If there was a God and he was actually concerned about what's going into the vaginas of women, don't you think he'd be a bit more concerned about the violent, forced insertion of penises into little baby girls to the point where they require "extensive reconstructive surgery" a bit more than the insertion of an anti-rape condom?

Okay. No need to get vulgar now. Besides, it is not God's fault that this happens. He has given man free will to do what he wants to do. To follow Him or their own ways. But don't think for a second that their crimes will not go unpunished if they continue to do evil the rest of their life, though.

I am not being vulgar, Luther I am stating the facts to try to give you some perspective on the situation. Women are raped in South Africa, about 500,000 a year. BABIES are raped in South Africa, gang raped to death. If you cannot stomach that then you really have no right to pass any judgements on the defensive weapons being discussed.
Do you even understand how downright insulting your statement about women ruining their lives with fear is, given what happens to them?

Bloody hell

hey Mr Slaon does understand about women being raped mate

He is only stating that if you believe in god it can help sometimes.
He does feel sorry for these women
Everyone does
If l got raped it would make him so distraught and upset so do not say that he would care he does.
You are only trying to make a mockery out of this thread
can we get back to the subject at hand

 

[thestrangequark]

^Luther Sloan called me vulgar for stating the facts about rape in South Africa, this implies that he does not fully understand the situation. Again, I am not saying he doesn't feel bad for the victims, but that his words are at the very least badly chosen. It is incredibly insulting to say that a woman is sabotaging her own happiness by allowing fear into her life when the fears we are discussing are so utterly validated! I don't think he meant it to be insulting at all, I think that he just didn't know and needs to have it explained to him. Simple as that.

And how on earth am I making a mockery of this thread? I think it's very clear that I am taking this all quite seriously. And when did we leave the subject at hand? You aren't making any sense.

 

[Angela 0077]

Well l have seen worse langage used at poeple than what you are stating.
How do you think l feel when people are having a go at me it isnt nice.
But l learn to ignore what is said.



What he meant about being vulgar was being nasty in the way you were explaning yourself.Evebn by your post you are posting it in anger.
maybe if you are offended by what has been said dont you think it is better to ignore and talk about the subject at hand and move on.

There is so much to talk about on this subject on other levels thaan having a go at each other.

 

[Luther Sloan]

^I am an Atheist. Either God doesn't exist, or he is unimaginably cruel. I find it more comforting to believe that he does not exist.

Strange Quark:

Well, there is plenty of things to show you that He does exist. But that is not the debate of this thread. So lets move on. But if it makes you feel any better. A long time ago, I used to argue with friends that God didn't exist either.

Exactly how is this unnatural?

People were not meant to have things stuck inside them to minimize a horrible attack. Natural means it is of nature. This condom is not of nature. It is manufactured.

I am not being vulgar, Luther I am stating the facts to try to give you some perspective on the situation. Women are raped in South Africa, about 500,000 a year. BABIES are raped in South Africa, gang raped to death.

Um, yes you are being vulgar. Especially in the way that you mentioned what happened to the children. The way you described it was tasteless. You didn't have to word it the way you did. And I KNOW that these things happen. You don't have to tell me they happen for me to get the fact that the world is messed up.

If you cannot stomach that then you really have no right to pass any judgements on the defensive weapons being discussed. Do you even understand how downright insulting your statement about women ruining their lives with fear is, given what happens to them?

There is a huge difference in discussing self defense tactics and discussing the topic you are mentioning in distasteful detail. And I still don't think it is wrong to focus on the positive instead of the negative. Granted, there are places of darkness (like Africa). In which case: altering your tactics is extremely important. I mean, if you are at war. You need to defend yourself (of course). But if you are in normal every day societies, fear can control your life if you worry about every little thing. Obviously this is not the case in Africa. But I still think that this condom is not the answer, though. There are other things that should happen that should stop this horrid criminal act before it should even happen in the first place.

 

[Amaris]

^I am an Atheist. Either God doesn't exist, or he is unimaginably cruel. I find it more comforting to believe that he does not exist.

Strange Quark:

Well, there is plenty of things to show you that He does exist. But that is not the debate of this thread. So lets move on. But if it makes you feel any better. A long time ago, I used to argue with friends that God didn't exist either.

Exactly how is this unnatural?

People were not meant to have things stuck inside them to minimize a horrible attack. Natural means it is of nature. This condom is not of nature. It is manufactured.

I am not being vulgar, Luther I am stating the facts to try to give you some perspective on the situation. Women are raped in South Africa, about 500,000 a year. BABIES are raped in South Africa, gang raped to death.

Um, yes you are being vulgar. The way you described it was tasteless. You didn't have to word it the way you did. And I KNOW that these things happen. You don't have to tell me they happen for me to get the fact that the world is messed up.

If you cannot stomach that then you really have no right to pass any judgements on the defensive weapons being discussed. Do you even understand how downright insulting your statement about women ruining their lives with fear is, given what happens to them?

There is a huge difference in discussing self defense tactics and discussing the topic you are mentioning in distasteful detail. And I still don't think it is wrong to focus on the positive instead of the negative. Granted, there are places of darkness (like Africa). In which case: altering your tactics is extremely important. I mean, if you are at war. You need to defend yourself (of course). But if you are in normal every day societies, fear can control your life if you worry about every little thing.

Luther, what happens to these women goes beyond distasteful. Sometimes "distasteful" words are the only ones that can somewhat convey the soul shattering experiences committed against these women. There's no positive side to rape. There's no lesson learned other than not to trust anyone, and that is a horrible lesson for someone to learn. Rape can ruin a person's life, create permanent scars and make their lives a living hell. You can't pray away the rape, Luther.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

i also would like to say that it would be nice if you would spell New York the right way under your Avatar

New Yaawk doesnt seem to be splelt right smiles

He's spelling it like some New Yorkers pronounce it, ]Angela. It's a joke.

All I am saying is that there are other ways besides this. I don't have to list them to know that they exist. More natural ways.

It would greatly assist your credibility on the issue if you could list them, however. How is this device any less "natural" than pepper spray, stun guns, knives, handguns, and other defenses?

And yes. It is sad that they are under attack like this. But putting a band-aid on a severed leg is not the answer.

I don't think anyone is under the illusion that this is going to stop or even significantly reduce the number of rapes in South Africa. But if it represents enough of a deterrent to reduce hundreds or thousands of them, then that's a good thing, right? The possibility of this being misused is so minuscule in comparison to the good that it can do that it's laughable. It's no more likely to be misused than any of the other weapons mentioned above.

Okay. No need to get vulgar now. Besides, it is not God's fault that this happens. He has given man free will to do what he wants to do. To follow Him or their own ways. But don't think for a second that their crimes will not go unpunished if they continue to do evil the rest of their life, though.

What was vulgar about it (other than the nature of the crime itself)? If you can't handle the ugly truth of the discussion maybe you should take a step back from it.

God punishing rapists in the afterlife is cold comfort to women who have to deal with the frequent threat of rape in South Africa (and elsewhere) in their day to day lives. I don't really think this was an appropriate discussion for you to start injecting platitudes about God, anyway, since you yourself acknowledge he's not going to do anything about it in the here and now.

 

[thestrangequark]

Well l have seen worse langage used at poeple than what you are stating.
How do you think l feel when people are having a go at me it isnt nice.
But l learn to ignore what is said.

I honestly don't know what you are referring to, as I've not used any bad language, or called anyone names. I think you may need to reread my posts a little more carefully and try to understand that I am not attacking anyone, but rather trying to explain how some people have shown a lack of understanding and perspective about the reality of rape, specifically in South Africa.

What he meant about being vulgar was being nasty in the way you were explaning yourself.Evebn by your post you are posting it in anger.
maybe if you are offended by what has been said dont you think it is better to ignore and talk about the subject at hand and move on.

Again, where have I been vulgar?

There is so much to talk about on this subject on other levels thaan having a go at each other.

And, when have I tried to have a go at some one? You appear to be seeing things that aren't there.

^I am an Atheist. Either God doesn't exist, or he is unimaginably cruel. I find it more comforting to believe that he does not exist.

Strange Quark:

Well, there is plenty of things to show you that He does exist. But that is not the debate of this thread. So lets move on. But if it makes you feel any better. A long time ago, I used to argue with friends that God didn't exist either.

You're right, and I've no interest in debating it either. I'm happy in my Atheism, and if believing in God makes you happy, more power to you.

Exactly how is this unnatural?

People were not meant to have things stuck inside them to minimize a horrible attack. Natural means it is of nature. This condom is not of nature. It is manufactured.

No more unnatural than a knife, or a gun, or clothing, for that matter.

I am not being vulgar, Luther I am stating the facts to try to give you some perspective on the situation. Women are raped in South Africa, about 500,000 a year. BABIES are raped in South Africa, gang raped to death.

Um, yes you are being vulgar. Especially in the way that you mentioned what happened to the children. The way you described it was tasteless. You didn't have to word it the way you did. And I KNOW that these things happen. You don't have to tell me they happen for me to get the fact that the world is messed up.

There is nothing vulgar about what I said, it is the topic at hand that is vulgar, and if you want to discuss it than you have to accept that. Rape is horrible. Baby rape is horrible. I wasn't being tasteless, I was stating the facts of what happened, and continues to happen.

If you cannot stomach that then you really have no right to pass any judgements on the defensive weapons being discussed. Do you even understand how downright insulting your statement about women ruining their lives with fear is, given what happens to them?

There is a huge difference in discussing self defense tactics and discussing the topic you are mentioning in distasteful detail. And I still don't think it is wrong to focus on the positive instead of the negative. Granted, there are places of darkness (like Africa). In which case: altering your tactics is extremely important. I mean, if you are at war. You need to defend yourself (of course). But if you are in normal every day societies, fear can control your life if you worry about every little thing. Obviously this is not the case in Africa.

Exactly, and do you understand why your statement was insulting now?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I'd really like to know how one describes the gang-rape of infants to the point of mutilation and death without being "vulgar." It is vulgar. There is no way around it.

And to say, "Maybe if they just believed in God they'd feel better"?

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The insensitivity of some people makes me seethe with anger. There are just no words.

 

[Luther Sloan]

Luther, what happens to these women goes beyond distasteful. Sometimes "distasteful" words are the only ones that can somewhat convey the soul shattering experiences committed against these women. There's no positive side to rape. There's no lesson learned other than not to trust anyone, and that is a horrible lesson for someone to learn. Rape can ruin a person's life, create permanent scars and make their lives a living hell. You can't pray away the rape, Luther.

Sarek of Vulcan:

Don't kid yourself for a second. Prayer is a powerful thing. And no. Someone doesn't have to get distasteful in this thread to convey the concept of how horrible rape can be to a woman.

It's a joke.

Locutus of Bored:

She knows that he spelled New York wrong intentionally. She was pointing out the fact that you can still understand her posts. Which is what matters in the end (when communicating to someone).

It would greatly assist your credibility on the issue if you could list them, however. How is this device any less "natural" than pepper spray, stun guns, knives, handguns, and other defenses?

Uh, I shouldn't have to list them because everyone should know them already. And if they don't know them. Google can list it for that person in mere seconds.

Did I say guns and knives? No.

I don't think anyone is under the illusion that this is going to stop or even significantly reduce the number of rapes in South Africa. But if it represents enough of a deterrent to reduce hundreds or thousands of them, then that's a good thing, right? The possibility of this being misused is so minuscule in comparison to the good that it can do that it's laughable. It's no more likely to be misused than any of the other weapons mentioned above.

Well, I just think there is a better way is all. Something to stop the problem before it even starts. Doesn't mean I am wrong to think that there may be a better solution out there, though.

What was vulgar about it (other than the nature of the crime itself)? If you can't handle the ugly truth of the discussion maybe you should take a step back from it.

It was in the way the poster described children.
It just was absolutely unnecessary. It has nothing to do with not handling the truth. I know these things happen. A person doesn't have to describe the act in any detail for me to know that it exists. It is totally tasteless to mention it in any detail (when it is not necessary). Period.

God punishing rapists in the afterlife is cold comfort to women who have to deal with the frequent threat of rape in South Africa (and elsewhere) in their day to day lives. I don't really think this was an appropriate discussion for you to start injecting platitudes about God, anyway, since you yourself acknowledge he's not going to do anything about it in the here and now.

Our life is but a vapor. Trust me. Eternity is a long time in comparison to the short life span of years that we have to endure on this Earth.

 

[Luther Sloan]

I'd really like to know how one describes the gang-rape of infants to the point of mutilation and death without being "vulgar." It is vulgar. There is no way around it.

Robert:

No. Describing that the act happens versus describing the act in detail are totally two different things. One is acceptable. The other is distasteful.

And to say, "Maybe if they just believed in God they'd feel better"?

Uh, no. That's not it at all. God can change things if people start to turn to Him for help.

The insensitivity of some people makes me seethe with anger. There are just no words.

Exactly. People are being insensitive to other people if they describe certain things in unnecessary vulgar detail (when it doesn't need to be explained that way).

 

[thestrangequark]

^Rape = forcible insertion of penis into vagina (at least, that is one definition). That is not "describing the act in detail," that is defining it.

What was vulgar about it (other than the nature of the crime itself)? If you can't handle the ugly truth of the discussion maybe you should take a step back from it.

It was in the way the poster described children.
It just was absolutely unnecessary. It has nothing to do with not handling the truth. I know these things happen. A person doesn't have to describe the act in any detail for me to know that it exists. It is totally tasteless to mention it (when it is not necessary). Period.

It IS necessary. A lot of people don't know. The language I used was no more vulgar than the BBC news article I cited. Is it offensive to read about babies being gang raped? Of course! It is horribly, horribly upsetting. But is it tasteless to speak of such crimes in this thread? Not remotely. It is completely appropriate given the topic at hand. I honestly found your statements incredibly tasteless, though I know they were not intentionally so.

 

[Amaris]

Sarek of Vulcan:

Don't kid yourself for a second. Prayer is a powerful thing. And no. Someone doesn't have to get distasteful in this thread to convey the concept of how horrible rape can be to a woman.

Describing what rape does should be distasteful, because rape is abominable. There are times when flowery language should give way to the flesh and blood of truth. Prayer may be a "powerful thing" for you, but you cannot pray away your attacker, or the brutal experience that follows. You cannot use it to beseech mercy from an imminent violent encounter, because for millions of women each year, that prayer falls on deaf ears.

 

[ThankQ]

A woman must be down right terrified if she want's to walk around with one of those things on

What is up with this?

Do you chicks really live in this much fear of rape?

Why do you fear rape more than I fear murder?


GOD DAMMIT! .0001% of you will be raped. I wish my murder odds were so low.

Get over stupid FOXNEWS fear and live your fucking life.