Female Condom Unveiled For World Cup

[Locutus of Bored]

I see the chance for abuse in markets where rape isn't the growing concern, and it's not something I take lightly.

I certainly take it lightly enough. If a woman whom you're (that's the royal) sleeping with is intent on mutilating your penis, she can probably do it, rapeaxe or no rapeaxe. Getting that close to someone - to say nothing of falling asleep afterwards - is inherently risky. If you're worried about it, you probably shouldn't be sleeping with her.

The rest of it is just down to 'oh noes sharp things and ma penis', which is even more juvenile than it appears at first glance on two counts: (1) it's pretty safe bet that most of those who've expressed these concerns so far are circumcised; and (2) this thing doesn't even break the skin. If you're gonna use discomfort about sharps and genitals to justify otherwise ridiculous comments, at least step it up a few notches.

[moderator edit] Link to the Antichrist clitoral cutting scene on YouTube removed. I understand the point you were going for, but do not post full-frontal nudity or genital mutilation videos here again, please. It really should go without saying.

Rape is not justifiable. Whether soldier, doctor, police officer, priest, whatever you are, if you rape someone, you are sick.

'Not justifiable' != 'sick'. Were the folks who cheered the gladiators in the colosseum sick? You can label half the male population of South Africa (running with tsq's figure) 'sick' if you like, but it becomes a rather meaningless expression. Or you [again, the royal] could man up and face the fact that most of these rapists are little different from ourselves; that in their shoes, many of us would act as they do. Of course, that requires us to face some rather ugly truths about our own nature. You think the Nazis came out of some radioactive slime pit?

After some discussion, I'm afraid the original content of the post before I edited out the video is going to have to result in an infraction.

You could have made the same point without posting a link containing graphic full-frontal nudity and genital mutilation, and you've been a member long enough to know that that kind of content is not allowed here.

Comments to PM.

 

[thestrangequark]

SOV, you are a good guy and you don't need to justify yourself by saying you think rape is deplorable, I know you do. And I know your comments weren't intended to make light of the situation. However, I still believe that concerns about bitter women misusing this device are ludicrous. As Rii said, it all comes down to sharp things near the penis. Iguana, reasonably pointed out that just as women have a primal fear of rape, men have a primal fear of anything bad happening to that particular bit -- certainly! However, this is a device that doesn't even penetrate the skin, that causes pain and restricts movement but apparently no perainent damage, and all the crazy ladies (or desperate women) who desire to injure or mutilate a man's genitalia could find any number of ways of doing so. Also, if the device is great for South Africa why should it invoke so much fear and concern in the hands of women in the rest of the world? Just because the statistics are a bit lower? You yourself said that thousands of women are raped each day in the United States -- compare that figure to the number of men who have their penis injured by a woman.
I hate to go all Super Feminist, but I honestly think that the concerns come down to the simple fact that this a is a defense, or weapon, or tool -- whatever one wants to call it -- that can be wielded only by a vagina. And that frightens some men terribly.

If a woman believes she is in constant danger, there has to be another more normal road besides this. I just think that this device was created out of fear. And whenever you let fear into your life, it takes control of your normal every day happy life.

I mean, there is a point of natural protection or self defense, but I think that God didn't intend for us to go to this extreme when it comes to protecting the body.

At least in my opinion anyways.

Luther, let's pretend for a moment that you are a woman in South Africa. More than a quarter of the men in your country have admitted to being repeat rapists. 73% of those rapists claim they committed their first rape before the age of 20. It is estimated that nearly 2,000 rapes are committed each day. One in three women, when questioned "by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year." In the past year! Now, would you or wouldn't you believe you were "in constant danger" of being raped? Do you really think that, in that environment, this device is actually all that extreme?

And, frankly, God can stay out of my vagina and every South African woman's too, thank you very much. If he'd be so concerned about such an "unnatural" defense then maybe he should stop letting thousands of women be raped every single day.

 

[TheBrew]

It should inject a super dose of Viagra. You have an erection for days and I am sure you will never think about sex again... or die from the loss of blood to the brain.

 

[Amaris]

SOV, you are a good guy and you don't need to justify yourself by saying you think rape is deplorable, I know you do. And I know your comments weren't intended to make light of the situation. However, I still believe that concerns about bitter women misusing this device are ludicrous. As Rii said, it all comes down to sharp things near the penis. Iguana, reasonably pointed out that just as women have a primal fear of rape, men have a primal fear of anything bad happening to that particular bit -- certainly! However, this is a device that doesn't even penetrate the skin, that causes pain and restricts movement but apparently no perainent damage, and all the crazy ladies (or desperate women) who desire to injure or mutilate a man's genitalia could find any number of ways of doing so. Also, if the device is great for South Africa why should it invoke so much fear and concern in the hands of women in the rest of the world? Just because the statistics are a bit lower? You yourself said that thousands of women are raped each day in the United States -- compare that figure to the number of men who have their penis injured by a woman.
I hate to go all Super Feminist, but I honestly think that the concerns come down to the simple fact that this a is a defense, or weapon, or tool -- whatever one wants to call it -- that can be wielded only by a vagina. And that frightens some men terribly.

You are, of course, correct. I do hope this will protect the women who need it most, and I am very saddened by the fact that they must have it, because it does show what world they have to survive in. There does need to be sweeping reform in Africa (and elsewhere). This isn't the Dark Ages, it's not even the 1950s. Women are not sexual objects who operate at the whims of men, and it's time the world caught up to the 21st century.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

What a bizarre thread.

If a woman "misuses" this device, it would be sexual assault, plain and simple. It's such an overblown concern as to be laughable. "Sure, rape sucks, but... what about the men!!!" You gotta be fucking kidding me.

Dude sticks his willy where it don't belong, he deserves what he gets. In a country where rape is so commonplace and women have few options, I'm not the least bit surprised extreme measures such as this would become necessary.

 

[sidious618]

If a woman "misuses" this device, it would be sexual assault, plain and simple. It's such an overblown concern as to be laughable. "Sure, rape sucks, but... what about the men!!!" You gotta be fucking kidding me.

That made me laugh, too. Any weapon can be used on a man by a woman. This one doesn't even penetrate the skin. I'd rather have this thing harm my dick than get shot in the dick by a bullet.

However, I still feel that this device will only cause more problems than it will solve as I explained earlier. While it will no doubt hurt it seems to me that it will only enrage the rapist even more and result in a beating or worse. On the other hand, I don't really have a better solution...

 

[Marie1]

It would be useful if word got around about the device, and made people think twice, three times etc. before raping. At least maybe if a guy was stuck in one they'd be less likely to repeat the offense-- or maybe if they took the time to check first, maybe it would be "more premeditated"?

Still, that thing looks like it'd do less damage to the person than I'd do to them -if I could.

I'm not sure if it a guy had sharp things sticking in that part of his body how much he'd be able to do more than run away? Any guys wanna volunteer putting one on?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

If a woman "misuses" this device, it would be sexual assault, plain and simple. It's such an overblown concern as to be laughable. "Sure, rape sucks, but... what about the men!!!" You gotta be fucking kidding me.

That made me laugh, too. Any weapon can be used on a man by a woman. This one doesn't even penetrate the skin. I'd rather have this thing harm my dick than get shot in the dick by a bullet.

However, I still feel that this device will only cause more problems than it will solve as I explained earlier. While it will no doubt hurt it seems to me that it will only enrage the rapist even more and result in a beating or worse. On the other hand, I don't really have a better solution...

There's no guarantee the woman wouldn't be beaten or killed in the first place, though. In a forcible rape situation, all bets are off. It's awful that woman have to decide to use such a device at all--but I think it's a difficult situation for us to relate to, as well.

I would much rather this be an option available to women who want/need it than to deny it to them in the interest of protecting men. As with any form of birth control or self-defense or anything of the like, let the actual woman involved decide. If she misuses it to get back at someone or whatever, there are already laws to cover that. I think it's a very marginal concern and the amount of discussion it's received in this thread is disproportionate and reveals the biases of many males here.

 

[sidious618]

There's no guarantee the woman wouldn't be beaten or killed in the first place, though. In a forcible rape situation, all bets are off.

That's very true, too. I just think this might increase the odds. But if it makes a woman feel safer than I do agree she should insert it. As Rii and some others pointed out a widespread belief that women are wearing it is what would be most effective.

 

[Scout101]

Don't see how it would help, honestly. IMO, would just make things worse. If the woman can insert and remove it herself, what's going to stop someone ELSE from removing it? If it's popular enough to become prevalent, the rapists will become smart enough to pull it out first. Or at least, most will, after hearing a few horror stories from word on the street.

Even if they go for the rape without checking, can't see how it wouldn't result in the woman getting a beating (or more of one than already received) given the now-enraged man. Now they've been raped (have to penetrate for this to work) AND beaten.

It's an interesting idea, but don't see how the application would work well as described. Maybe a brief blip of usefullness, but then easily defeated once word gets out...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

If a woman believes she is in constant danger, there has to be another more normal road besides this. I just think that this device was created out of fear. And whenever you let fear into your life, it takes control of your normal every day happy life.

I mean, there is a point of natural protection or self defense, but I think that God didn't intend for us to go to this extreme when it comes to protecting the body.

At least in my opinion anyways.

Remember what I said about righteous anger...It's very easy to hate rapists. To simply write them off as inhuman devils who deserve to be mutilated and killed. Now I'm sure it's easy for me to say that because neither I nor a loved one has ever been a victim, but still...I can't shake the feeling that if we stopped treating these people as monsters with no rights, maybe they could get treatment and thus stop these rapes before they start.

 

[Trekker4747]

TSQ, reading your posts -and you've talked about this before- about how you've been groped in public shocks me. I mean, sure there's lots of creeps out there but... sheesh, men.

 

[Marie1]

If a woman believes she is in constant danger, there has to be another more normal road besides this. I just think that this device was created out of fear. And whenever you let fear into your life, it takes control of your normal every day happy life.

I mean, there is a point of natural protection or self defense, but I think that God didn't intend for us to go to this extreme when it comes to protecting the body.

At least in my opinion anyways.

Remember what I said about righteous anger...It's very easy to hate rapists. To simply write them off as inhuman devils who deserve to be mutilated and killed. Now I'm sure it's easy for me to say that because neither I nor a loved one has ever been a victim, but still...I can't shake the feeling that if we stopped treating these people as monsters with no rights, maybe they could get treatment and thus stop these rapes before they start.

True- but that would have to result in a change of society worldwide from their infancy up... and it would only affect that generation onwards, from what I can tell.

Because rapists have a dictionary sized list of reasons for why they do it- from wanting power to having been victims themselves...

Up until they rape- say they go into therapy because they have the desire to rape- that's extremely commendable and they should be given help. But once they start raping, especially without remorse... they should probably just be stopped. I'm not saying they shouldn't be offered help after, but they must absolutely be prevented from committing that crime again.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think the next American Pie film just wrote itself.

 

[Trekker4747]

Oh Jim, what will Heather do to you next?

 

[STR]

So...yeah, bad idea all around. The worst consequence is having something like this lull someone into doing risky things in dangerous areas at the wrong time of day/night with a false sense of protection.

Of course they wouldn't. Think about it, will a woman really feel lulled into a sense of false security knowing that her rapist will only be able to forcibly penetrate her once instead of over and over? That's just silly.

This is a last resort defense.

Yes it is silly, yet it comes from the same pattern of thinking that results in more accidents on highways with speed limits than on those without. I am not saying such a result would be common, but it could be a sliver of a factor that leads down a wrong path once, which is one time too many.

Presence of mind? You act as if rapists are in some kind of manic state.

Pretty sure that any male with needles embedded in his penis is going to be in some kind of 'state'.

Right, a far more dangerous state of mind than was present up to that point. Even worse still is a half-thought-through gut reaction. A "WTF?! Stab" situation turing a rape victim into a murder victim. You're basically introducing a destabilizing element to a dangerous situation. It could end up better, or worse. A dice roll of mortality.

This reminds me of something similar that Vietnamese women used to prevent rape during the Vietnam War. I read this in an article years ago, so I can’t vouch for its authenticity, but didn’t Vietnamese women insert razor blades “down there” to stop American soldiers from raping them?

As I said, it’s been years since I read it, and if I remember correctly they had the blades in some sort of device so that they wouldn’t be cut.

Oh, this is far from the first time something like this was invented. I recall items like these popping up in Victorian times, and the late 20th century (late 70's to early 90's). Ultimately, none have been successful because...well...they're an awful idea.

If a woman believes she is in constant danger, there has to be another more normal road besides this.

You can choose from pepper spray, Tasers (they make special purse models that come in hot pink), switchblades pistols, and of course being careful not to go anywhere remotely risky alone. All of which have the advantage of altering the situation BEFORE the act of rape.

 

[Angela 0077]

yes it would be great if there was a better road than this but the doctor who invented this has seen for her self the trauma some of the victims have gone through.

maybe she thought this would help the victim to fight against rapists who do this.

But l do agree with what you mean Mr Sloan.

i wonder what type of actions a woman can take so they dont have to resort using this device.

i know the streets are not as safe as it used to be and alot of women stick to together in groups.

i also know alot of women who are young go to night clubs and they flirt to the exstent when a man sees this and they go for it dont they.


So what actions do you think women who might be attacked should take.

How should they pretect themselves from harm

I know also of a incident where a nurse decided to take a bus and then walk to her home these guys picked her up and raped her one by one

Her name was Anita Colby

I will get the link to this

What happened to her was so terrible and these blokes got life but if we still had the hanging method in Australia thses guys should have been hung for there crime

Hanging in Australia was abolished in 1967.

if l am wrong about the year pleas correct me


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Anita_Cobby

This is the link to what happened to her and it is understandable why women should have the right to walk home in safty..

 

[Angela 0077]

Yes it depends how much it would hurt a bloke.

But some would still try and see wouldnt they.

Penetrating despite the Axe thing being in place, and them having knowledge of it? I doubt it, considering, as far as I can tell, it can be removed from the woman rather easily.

i was wonering how it would be removed from a woman
Dpoes it have a piece of string you pull

iWe have not seen any directions for this.

 

[Angela 0077]

SOV, you are a good guy and you don't need to justify yourself by saying you think rape is deplorable, I know you do. And I know your comments weren't intended to make light of the situation. However, I still believe that concerns about bitter women misusing this device are ludicrous. As Rii said, it all comes down to sharp things near the penis. Iguana, reasonably pointed out that just as women have a primal fear of rape, men have a primal fear of anything bad happening to that particular bit -- certainly! However, this is a device that doesn't even penetrate the skin, that causes pain and restricts movement but apparently no perainent damage, and all the crazy ladies (or desperate women) who desire to injure or mutilate a man's genitalia could find any number of ways of doing so. Also, if the device is great for South Africa why should it invoke so much fear and concern in the hands of women in the rest of the world? Just because the statistics are a bit lower? You yourself said that thousands of women are raped each day in the United States -- compare that figure to the number of men who have their penis injured by a woman.
I hate to go all Super Feminist, but I honestly think that the concerns come down to the simple fact that this a is a defense, or weapon, or tool -- whatever one wants to call it -- that can be wielded only by a vagina. And that frightens some men terribly.

If a woman believes she is in constant danger, there has to be another more normal road besides this. I just think that this device was created out of fear. And whenever you let fear into your life, it takes control of your normal every day happy life.

I mean, there is a point of natural protection or self defense, but I think that God didn't intend for us to go to this extreme when it comes to protecting the body.

At least in my opinion anyways.

Luther, let's pretend for a moment that you are a woman in South Africa. More than a quarter of the men in your country have admitted to being repeat rapists. 73% of those rapists claim they committed their first rape before the age of 20. It is estimated that nearly 2,000 rapes are committed each day. One in three women, when questioned "by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year." In the past year! Now, would you or wouldn't you believe you were "in constant danger" of being raped? Do you really think that, in that environment, this device is actually all that extreme?

And, frankly, God can stay out of my vagina and every South African woman's too, thank you very much. If he'd be so concerned about such an "unnatural" defense then maybe he should stop letting thousands of women be raped every single day.

yes they have a big problem in Afica with AIDS too.

but God will help sometimes if used in the right way even a praynig can help.

but if you are in a sitation such as rape nothing will help but to scream and and fight the man with all you can and hope someone comes to help you.

mr Sloan also has some good points to waht he was trying to get across.

i hope you will have a look at some of my posts.

 

[sidious618]

You need to stop doing so many paragraph breaks. It makes your posts difficult to read because they flow oddly.