Female Condom Unveiled For World Cup

[Angela 0077]

The value of this device isn't in impeding an assault by a rapist upon a woman fitted with it, but in deterring assaults by rapists against women who could be fitted with it. So long as there exists the perception - real or manufactured - that a significant proportion of women are fitted with the device, potential rapists will be less inclined to prey on any woman they encounter. The actual wearing or not wearing of the device by any particular woman is near irrelevant to its efficacy.

Even then, I don't think it would prevent much. I imagine if a rapist is doing his thing, it wouldn't take too much effort on his part to do a check with his hands or something before he continues. I do agree though, if a woman is to take any action against an a rapist their chances are much greater beforepenetration. Once that happens the attacker has already closed in close enough that they can probably kill the victim rather easily.

Well that is true too.

A man could try and check with his hands and he would get a nasty clamp on that hand

I wonder how much pain that would cause the rapist.

 

[Rii]

Also l was just thinking of anther problem too.

What if a woman is gang raped it would only pretect her from one man but the rest would be able to have there own way with a woman.

Version 2.0 will be fitted with a flamethrower. The possibility of being assaulted by a demonic manifestion of earth and flame remains, as yet, unaddressed.

 

[Angela 0077]

Yes the new condom will need extra reinforcements fitted into the same area incase of attack by a gang of men

I do like the Flame thrower idea smiles

 

[iguana_tonante]

And people come in with snide remarks? Get some perspective.

I had the same thought.

No one in this thread, or on this board in general, wants rape to occur, or anything like that.

No, but many replies seem somewhat... blasé about the concept. Or more concerned about the rapist than the victim. I've yet to see a "geez, the situation in South Africa must be really horrifying for people to come about with such a device", for example.

 

[Angela 0077]

Well of cause you are going to think of the victim in general.

There is alot of women raped and what the victim goes through is terrible.

Even in court proceeedings the victim is treated with not much respect and they have to put up with certain things to get these blokes convicted of the crime

These women can be scarred for most of there life depending no what the person did to them.

if this condom stops men raping there victims it is a good idea and something which should have been invented a long time ago.

And another thing too is that you will not think to much about the feeling of the rapist because in this world women would like to have men stop this type of habit..

I would also like to know why men think they can do this to women when they say no they mean no.

Women have rights over there body the same goes for men because there have been men raped too not only women

 

[O'Dib]

It sounds to me like the rapist could easily feel for the vagina dentata and pull it out before continuing. In such a case I can picture him "teaching a lesson", whereas, once latched on, I doubt he'd be able to do anything but whimper.

 

[Nociod]

This reminds me of something similar that Vietnamese women used to prevent rape during the Vietnam War. I read this in an article years ago, so I can’t vouch for its authenticity, but didn’t Vietnamese women insert razor blades “down there” to stop American soldiers from raping them?

As I said, it’s been years since I read it, and if I remember correctly they had the blades in some sort of device so that they wouldn’t be cut.

But I hope any women that are using these will be able to run away from the attacker. But what about instances where there’s a group of people committing the rape?, while one man is incapacitated the rest of the men can kill the woman…

 

[Angela 0077]

Yes it depends how much it would hurt a bloke.

But some would still try and see wouldnt they.

 

[Angela 0077]

This reminds me of something similar that Vietnamese women used to prevent rape during the Vietnam War. I read this in an article years ago, so I can’t vouch for its authenticity, but didn’t Vietnamese women insert razor blades “down there” to stop American soldiers from raping them?

As I said, it’s been years since I read it, and if I remember correctly they had the blades in some sort of device so that they wouldn’t be cut.

But I hope any women that are using these will be able to run away from the attacker. But what about instances where there’s a group of people committing the rape?, while one man is incapacitated the rest of the men can kill the woman…

if you did that type of thing using razerblades you would think a woman would lose alot of blood and die.

I have never heard of this type of method being performed and if it was it would be terrible.

 

[O'Dib]

Yes it depends how much it would hurt a bloke.

But some would still try and see wouldnt they.

Penetrating despite the Axe thing being in place, and them having knowledge of it? I doubt it, considering, as far as I can tell, it can be removed from the woman rather easily.

 

[thestrangequark]

And people come in with snide remarks? Get some perspective.

I had the same thought.

No one in this thread, or on this board in general, wants rape to occur, or anything like that.

No, but many replies seem somewhat... blasé about the concept. Or more concerned about the rapist than the victim. I've yet to see a "geez, the situation in South Africa must be really horrifying for people to come about with such a device", for example.

And you know what? The more I think about these particular comments, the more they irk me. Are those of you fellows who made them also so concerned about women using firearms? After all, I might use a gun to shoot my philandering husband's penis off! Or, perhaps women shouldn't be allowed to use any sort of weapon at all: no mace, no guns, we are clearly too emotional to use them rationally, and we've got to keep the penises of the world safe! Certainly women shouldn't be allowed knives, after what Ms Bobbit did. It'll make it tough to cook you all dinner without them, but I'm sure we'll manage somehow.

 

[Hermiod]

^I'd be concerned with women using guns, knives or tasers because of the deadly aspect of them. You said yourself that such weapons increase the likelihood of a situation becoming violent just through their presence.

If, on the other hand, a woman is malicious enough to intentionally attack a man this way then the lack of such a weapon is hardly likely to deter her.

As for this "device", I would have thought that all this will do is make rapists more likely to incapacitate (violently) their victims so that it can easily be removed. Presumably the woman wearing it is going to want to be able to take it out without having her fingers clamped, after all.

 

[iguana_tonante]

And you know what? The more I think about these particular comments, the more they irk me. Are those of you fellows who made them also so concerned about women using firearms? After all, I might use a gun to shoot my philandering husband's penis off! Or, perhaps women shouldn't be allowed to use any sort of weapon at all: no mace, no guns, we are clearly too emotional to use them rationally, and we've got to keep the penises of the world safe! Certainly women shouldn't be allowed knives, after what Ms Bobbit did. It'll make it tough to cook you all dinner without them, but I'm sure we'll manage somehow.

Being a man, I can somehow understand them, as we share a very primal fear about our precious. A man would be much more comfortable dealing with a grievous gun wound in the chest than have something happen down under.

It's not something I would voice, tho. Especially in a thread that deals with rape, which is, as I understand it, a very primal fear for women, too. So those comments strikes me as pretty self-centered and lacking in empathy, at the least.

 

[Amaris]

I am not generally in favor of any sort of weapon, as they do tend to escalate already tense situations. The mere presence of a gun in nonviolent circumstances has been proven to cause people to behave more aggressively. When I first read about the anti-rape condom my initial concerns were whether or not it would indeed only exacerbate the violence of the crime, and ultimately be worse for the victim, a possibility others have pointed out. I simply do not know enough about the device, and its consequences in real life to make up my mind as yet as to whether or not I think it is a good thing. My protests earlier were not against people questioning the device from that standpoint, but the silly remarks about it potentially making little Lorena Bobbits out of bitter housewives throughout the Western world. That implies a severe lack of perspective, as I already stated.

My perspective is just fine. It's not a lack of perspective, it's a look at multiple perspectives. Personally, I don't care one jot for the rapist. He gets what he deserves with this device. I don't want you to doubt that for one second.

Then there was raised the issue of male rape, which, of course, does happen and is just as awful as the rape of a woman. It is also irrelevant to this issue. We are not talking about male rape, we are talking about female rape. But since you brought up the subject, let's again try to put things into perspective: How often do you men actually fear being raped? Does the thought, "I shouldn't go there/be here because I might be raped" occur to you once every few months? Once every few weeks? Every night?
How often are you sexually assaulted, verbally or physically? Once a month? Once a week? Several times a day? Because I am verbally sexually harassed every day, as are many if not most young women in NYC. Physical harassment, as in having any part of my body grabbed (including my hair, my neck, my breasts, my buttocks, and, less intrusively but just as unwanted, my arms and legs), it averages out to about once a year. This is typical.

No, I do not think that going into most situations. This is because I am not treated the same way. If I were in a situation where most of the people were women and they treated me as these men treat you, then yes, I would be concerned, scared on a basic level, that I was not safe. I don't pretend for two seconds that all women are frail, funny little things, quite the contrary, women can be just like their male counterparts; smart, manipulative, cunniving and forceful when they want to be, and what some may lack in musculature is more than made up on the intellectual/emotional front.

It disgusts me that there are such men that treat you and nearly every other woman as they do, not because you are weak or because you're some kind of helpless animal, but because it is simply wrong to violate someone's personal space, their privacy, their personhood, in such a way.

Again, I do not intend to downplay the sexual assault of men and male rape. Men do get raped, and, rarely, they get raped by women. However, I think, again, some perspective is required. Let's return to the country where this device was developed -- the threat of rape to women there is constant. Almost half the male population are repeat rapists. I'm sorry, but one really cannot compare the necessity of protection against rape for a woman in that environment to that of a man anywhere in the world (except maybe prison). I hate to say it again, but to do so shows a severe lack of perspective or understanding of reality.

I understand your concern. I have taken into account the ghastly social environment the women of South Africa must endure because of this rampant and destructive violation of their human rights. My comments were not geared specifically toward those women (something I clarified much earlier in this thread). Neither are my comments snide, selfish or lacking in perspective. The idea that I don't really care for the horrific acts committed against women (in all nations) in this day and age is preposterous.

What I did was show unease at the nature of this device, something most males are likely to do. Granted, as iguana points out most men aren't likely to voice it here, but I did, and I do. Not out of some sense of callous machismo. Believe me, machismo doesn't really describe my personality in any appreciable way.

I am concerned over the device itself and what it may create. While it may work, it also has so many flaws, and while it may be a last resort, it may make the situation even worse. I look out for the well-being of all innocent people, men and women. This is a panic device. It is not a well thought out device, but one made in a frenzy of panic and chaos, and yes, these women need protected, god knows that, but it needs to be done in the best way possible.

Unfortunately, aside from being there to personally fend off every disgusting degenerate who would even dare to rape someone (and if I could, I would), I have no better ideas yet that would be as readily available.

Mace? Sometimes it just makes them angrier.
Gun? Sure, but how much time does a woman have to draw the gun, fire and run away before her assailant is on her?
Tazer? A tazer can work, but you have to be experienced in using one properly, and it wouldn't be as readily available for the women most affected in Africa.

I also wonder, if there was a mention in the overall statistical data, whether the rapists were alone or accompanied by others, as in a gang. Rape gangs are not uncommon, and in such a situation, this device would be nearly ineffective. Of course, in a situation like this, most defense tools would be ineffective.

There has to be a sociological change. Those who commit rape need to face severe penalties, and I don't just mean jail time. Anyone who would rape another person is sick, they're a danger to everyone around them.

tsq, I'm always going to be straightforward and level with you. If I'm raising these issues, it's because I do feel they're serious enough to discuss, and you're not going to get snide comments from me. This issue is deathly serious, for everyone involved. Thousands of women (and men) are raped every day, and it destroys lives, in some cases quite literally. I understand this. This is no laughing matter. It's not a joke. I am not making some kind of funny remark to elicit laughter from simpletons in an effort to score points of any kind. I am serious.

 

[Rii]

Personally, I don't care one jot for the rapist.

Charming.

What I did was show unease at the nature of this device, something most males are likely to do.

Don't go sticking your penis where it doesn't belong and you won't have a problem. Me? I've got plenty of other things to be horrified about.

Those who commit rape need to face severe penalties, and I don't just mean jail time.

Do continue.

Anyone who would rape another person is sick

This is demonstrably not true, unless you're suggesting that soldiers are inherently sick individuals; there being an exceptionally high correlation throughout history between mass rape and the army. Indeed, it's not much of a stretch to suggest that the sociological 'problem' which needs to be addressed to bring rape under control is nothing more than a culture of unbridled masculinity.

It's not a joke. I am not making some kind of funny remark to elicit laughter from simpletons in an effort to score points of any kind.

Don't worry, I've got that angle covered.

 

[Amaris]

Personally, I don't care one jot for the rapist.

Charming.

I don't. Rape is a violation of so many things. It's abominable, and there is never a good reason for it under any condition, ever.

Don't go sticking your penis where it doesn't belong and you won't have a problem. Me? I've got plenty of other things to be horrified about.

I don't and haven't, neither do I intend to do so. However, this device is inexpensive, easy to use, portable, completely conceable, passive and will be made available everywhere. For the women of South Africa and other parts of the world where rape is a major statistical factor (and for those places that are not included in statistics), this is fantastic.

However, as in all things, I see the chance for abuse in markets where rape isn't the growing concern, and it's not something I take lightly. I'm not saying my concerns negate all the good that this device has the potential to do, or all the lives that can be saved.

Yes, I am talking about a revenge weapon. This is why I included male rape (and domestic violence against men) in my initial posts.

According to statistics, while 1.3 million women are the victims of domestic abuse, 835,000 men are also assaulted.

Also, nearly 25% of women and 7.6% of men are raped by a former spouse or lover.

The statistics I'm quoting go on for some time, and when you read (general you) it you get this deep clenching fist in your stomach because it's just deplorable what happens to women, and yes, the majority of said violence does happen to women, and these figures are just for the United States.

American Bar Association Statistical Data

I think, as a male, I do have some right to be concerned. It doesn't overshadow the concern for these women, but it does merit at least a bit of consideration.

Do continue.

Hard labor, behavior modification, maximum security confinement away from the rest of the inmate population among others.

This is demonstrably not true, unless you're suggesting that soldiers are inherently sick individuals; there being an exceptionally high correlation throughout history between mass rape and the army. Indeed, it's not much of a stretch to suggest that the sociological 'problem' which needs to be addressed to bring rape under control is nothing more than a culture of unbridled masculinity.

Rape is not justifiable. Whether soldier, doctor, police officer, priest, whatever you are, if you rape someone, you are sick.

 

[Rii]

I see the chance for abuse in markets where rape isn't the growing concern, and it's not something I take lightly.

I certainly take it lightly enough. If a woman whom you're (that's the royal) sleeping with is intent on mutilating your penis, she can probably do it, rapeaxe or no rapeaxe. Getting that close to someone - to say nothing of falling asleep afterwards - is inherently risky. If you're worried about it, you probably shouldn't be sleeping with her.

The rest of it is just down to 'oh noes sharp things and ma penis', which is even more juvenile than it appears at first glance on two counts: (1) it's pretty safe bet that most of those who've expressed these concerns so far are circumcised; and (2) this thing doesn't even break the skin. If you're gonna use discomfort about sharps and genitals to justify otherwise ridiculous comments, at least step it up a few notches.

[moderator edit] Link to the Antichrist clitoral cutting scene on YouTube removed. I understand the point you were going for, but do not post full-frontal nudity or genital mutilation videos here again, please. It really should go without saying.

Rape is not justifiable. Whether soldier, doctor, police officer, priest, whatever you are, if you rape someone, you are sick.

'Not justifiable' != 'sick'. Were the folks who cheered the gladiators in the colosseum sick? You can label half the male population of South Africa (running with tsq's figure) 'sick' if you like, but it becomes a rather meaningless expression. Or you [again, the royal] could man up and face the fact that most of these rapists are little different from ourselves; that in their shoes, many of us would act as they do. Of course, that requires us to face some rather ugly truths about our own nature. You think the Nazis came out of some radioactive slime pit?

 

[Amaris]

I certainly take it lightly enough. If a woman whom you're (that's the royal) sleeping with is intent on mutilating your penis, she can probably do it, rapeaxe or no rapeaxe. Getting that close to someone - to say nothing of falling asleep afterwards - is inherently risky. If you're worried about it, you probably shouldn't be fucking her.

The rest of it is just down to 'oh noes sharp things and ma penis', which is even more juvenile than it appears at first glance on two counts: (1) it's pretty safe bet that most of those who've expressed these concerns so far are circumcised; and (2) this thing doesn't even break the skin. If you're gonna use discomfort about sharps and genitals to justify otherwise ridiculous comments, at least step it up a few notches.

Since you are going to take it so lightly, then I have no need to continue this conversation with you.

'Not justifiable' != 'sick'. Were the folks who cheered the gladiators in the colosseum sick? You can label half the male population of South Africa (running with tsq's figure) 'sick' if you like, but it becomes rather meaningless. Or you could man up and face the fact that most of these rapists are little different from ourselves; that in their shoes, many of us would act as they do.

No. Rape is reprehensible, immoral, inexcusable and the sign of a sick mind. If you can rape simply because you have the ability to do so in your social or cultural order, then you are sick. If the only difference between you being a rapist and not being a rapist is one law, then you are the one with the sickness, not those around you.

Now, once you're willing to cast aside your desire to make light of all this, then I will continue discussion with you. Until then, I will not.

 

[Rii]

Since you are going to take it so lightly, then I have no need to continue this conversation with you.

Be sure to check under your bed for any hidden rapeaxes before going to sleep.

If the only difference between you being a rapist and not being a rapist is one law, then you are the one with the sickness, not those around you.

1. What the fuck?
2. You know that rape is illegal in South Africa too, right?

Something that is legal in South Africa, though, is same-sex marriage. So much for 'law'.

 

[Luther Sloan]

If a woman believes she is in constant danger, there has to be another more normal road besides this. I just think that this device was created out of fear. And whenever you let fear into your life, it takes control of your normal every day happy life.

I mean, there is a point of natural protection or self defense, but I think that God didn't intend for us to go to this extreme when it comes to protecting the body.

At least in my opinion anyways.