Dude, get over yourself. I was responding to the general sentiment out there (both on this forum and elsewhere) about the so-called lack of emotion. You're hardly the first one to express it.
Moffat's Season better than all of RTD Combined?
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Dude, get over yourself. I was responding to the general sentiment out there (both on this forum and elsewhere) about the so-called lack of emotion. You're hardly the first one to express it.
You get over yourself first. I clearly opened my post up with a joke, and you're being very hypersensitive. You're just ignoring what many posters are saying, creating a strawman and winning your own argument. That's not fair to any of us, the discussion on these boards or yourself either. Instead of trying to make up some reason for why we take issue with the show, why not directly engage the reasons we've GIVEN for taking issue with the current season?
Instead you tell me to get over myself. As if you're the first to tell me that!
Ooh, ooh, can I get over myself too???
Anyway, I'd like to chime in that no, the less emotional response on my part to the show has nothing to do with the new Doctor character. As I said, Smith is fantastic, and the character is not without emotion, either. The Doctor clearly cares a great deal for Amy and feels guilty for Rory. He has emotion. Amy has emotion. Guest characters have emotion.
No, who doesn't have emotion is ME, the viewer. What this season has failed to do, for the most part, is engage ME emotionally on the level that RTD managed to do so often. That has something to do with the writing, and the directing. As I've said before, I can't really put my finger on it, but there it is.
Anyway, I'd like to chime in that no, the less emotional response on my part to the show has nothing to do with the new Doctor character. As I said, Smith is fantastic, and the character is not without emotion, either. The Doctor clearly cares a great deal for Amy and feels guilty for Rory. He has emotion. Amy has emotion. Guest characters have emotion.
No, who doesn't have emotion is ME, the viewer. What this season has failed to do, for the most part, is engage ME emotionally on the level that RTD managed to do so often. That has something to do with the writing, and the directing. As I've said before, I can't really put my finger on it, but there it is.
Think back to VOTD. (Go on, force yourselves.)
Now remember the Wren whose husband/boyfriend gets killed during the course of the story.
When Davies was in charge we'd have actually have spent some time with the character. The Companion would have got to know them and expressed sympathy for her loss.
But instead she's just there in the background and the Doctor/Amy pay her almost no attention. (Did we even learn her name?)
And that sums up the main difference and failing this year. (For me anyway.) Lack of decent supporting characters. Lack of heart.
Now remember the Wren whose husband/boyfriend gets killed during the course of the story.
When Davies was in charge we'd have actually have spent some time with the character. The Companion would have got to know them and expressed sympathy for her loss.
But instead she's just there in the background and the Doctor/Amy pay her almost no attention. (Did we even learn her name?)
And that sums up the main difference and failing this year. (For me anyway.) Lack of decent supporting characters. Lack of heart.
I really like Matt Smith and think he's an inspired choice. However he has such a big task to take over from David Tennant, whose Doctor had a huge personality. In reality I don't think it's fair to compare them since they are so very different. Smith has created someone more introspective, detached and, dare I say it, more alien. It was a daring move to cast him and he's done us proud.
I wouldn't mind feeling entertained...
And there'd be nothing wrong with that if there was something to balance him out.
and that's why evolution gave us fingers...so we could change the channel if we don't like something.
Of course that's also why it gave us the internet, so we could endlessly moan about not liking things...
Hey, after all those people who sat through five years of RTD and moaned about it, I figure I can make it through one. (Especially if it's true that Moffat's only doing two years.)
Oh no. It's happening again.
It's because they are different that we can compare them. We can compare apples and oranges. Dammit.
... and yet, you are comparing them:
It's because they are different that we can compare them. We can compare apples and oranges. Dammit.
No, not even close.
Dude, not everything is black and white, loved or detested, complete success or utter failure. Something can be well worth my time and thought, and still not be fulfilling all my expectations. That's how I suspect quite a few people feel about this season. No one has said it's unwatchable, or even bad - it's not. It's just missing, exactly what someone said, heart. And that's not through lack of trying - the plot certainly offers us many events WORTH feeling a great deal about. The problem is, so far, either the writing, or the directing, hasn't managed to GET me to feel what the show obviously wants me to feel.
And yeah, you can claim RTD hit us on the head with a hammer, telling us to feel something. And you know what? It worked. He pushed buttons gleefully and unapologetically, and it worked, almost every time. You know who else is often accused of "merely" pushing emotional buttons? Spielberg. And he can keep on doing that until he's in his grave, if I have anything to say about it. Because it works. Maybe it's shameless, but if you're good at it, then it's worth it. RTD was good at it. So far, Moffat's show isn't.
On the other hand, just to be fair, the season is showing a lot of potential. I know it is well within the grasp of the powers that be to make this show fantastic again. Maybe by next season they'll get it right. I'm certainly optimistic.
That was just a shittily written episode in general though.
THANK YOU!
And, to be perfectly honest, the only emotion I expect Who to raise in me is excitement or anxiety/fear. This season has achieved both, in absolutely stellar fashion.
The whole "mopey Doctor" bit RTD liked to do with Tennant? Whining about Rose and Gallifrey? The Doctor being on the verge of tears everytime he had a conversation? Yeah, I'll leave all that cliched drivel to the daytime soap operas. Doctor Who is a family scifi show that is consistently kicking ass week-after-week this season, with the only dud being "Victory of the Daleks". Of course, I chalk that one up to being a left-over Ten script that RTD didn't use. So, there you go...
Does that go for all the 100% RTD sanctioned drivel as well? (because no matter how much you loved his series', there's got to be at least one episode you hate)
Well to be fair, I can see how that episode could have worked if it was done right. All the elements were certainly there for a fun little WWII romp-- which I'm sure is what Moffat was going for with this story.
Unfortunately the execution was absolutely terrible. Sometimes that just happens.
'Fear Her'. The worst episode ever. And ironically one of the few RTD didn't write a word of...
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