Moffat's Season better than all of RTD Combined?

[Pauln6]

I think overall I found RTD to be more self-indulgent with too many themes hammered home by repetitive dialogue and (#shudder#) hugging - we're British - what's with all the hugging (and the sudden glut of gayness - from famine to feast - yikes)? Many (but not all) of my favourite RTD episodes were penned by Moffat so it's clear that I have a preference. But RTD deserves a lot of credit for revitalising the franchise and each of the new assistants has had their own unique charm.

 

[starsuperion]

I look back at the RTD episodes and think of Emo music..while I look at the new Moff stuff and think, classic but Updated.. much like the JJ Abrams trek.. different but savoring the flavor of the original.. a nice breath of fresh air..

while again, I picture in the RTD episodes, screaming, running, and lots of crying..

tight pants, and emo music..

I like the new hottness better..regardless of the poll..

 

[Admiral_Young]

While I am definitely enjoying this series it's way to early to be claiming nine aired episodes are better than four complete series and four specials. I'm pretty sure the Doctor and Amy have been doing as much running and screaming as the Tenth Doctor is. I'm enjoying the fact that there is an actual story arc playing through the series and that we as viewers have to figure out what it all means and hopefully be told in the finale. There were some pretty fantastic episodes in the RTD era...in fact I wouldn't even be making this post if it weren't for Russell.

I just recently finished re-watching the first three series and am about to move on to Series Four and and while the writing style and visual aspects of the show along of course with the different Doctor's I have no problem with this being the natural continuation of that. I guess I'm just too much of a Doctor Who fan in general to be nitpicky over stuff that has been discussed in the forum.

 

[Sci]

I think overall I found RTD to be more self-indulgent with too many themes hammered home by repetitive dialogue and (#shudder#) hugging - we're British - what's with all the hugging (and the sudden glut of gayness - from famine to feast - yikes)?

Why is the presence of LGBT characters worthy of a "yikes?" Or a bad thing?

 

[DimesDan]

I think overall I found RTD to be more self-indulgent with too many themes hammered home by repetitive dialogue and (#shudder#) hugging - we're British - what's with all the hugging (and the sudden glut of gayness - from famine to feast - yikes)?

Why is the presence of LGBT characters worthy of a "yikes?" Or a bad thing?

For those of us not in the know about certain politically correct terms, what does LGBT mean? Load of Great Big Tits by any chance? And when I say Tits, I mean the slag term for being a bit of an idiot.

 

[Sci]

I think overall I found RTD to be more self-indulgent with too many themes hammered home by repetitive dialogue and (#shudder#) hugging - we're British - what's with all the hugging (and the sudden glut of gayness - from famine to feast - yikes)?

Why is the presence of LGBT characters worthy of a "yikes?" Or a bad thing?

For those of us not in the know about certain politically correct terms, what does LGBT mean?

LGBT is an initialism that stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transsexual/Transgendered. There are other variations of the term, though, that also encompass intersex or other persons with non-heterosexual orientations, as well as heterosexuals who are allies of the equal rights cause.

And it's not a matter of being "politically correct," it's a matter of having a term that encompasses the entire spectrum of sexual minorities and treats them all equally.

 

[Ubik]

Yeah, I agree with the poster up there, there's just way too much gayness, just rampant gayness, in the RTD years. I mean, wasn't there at least two or three openly gay characters, over the course of the five years? That's a bit overkill, if you ask me. Can't RTD, while writing, just pretend to be straight, like the rest of us, and produce television aimed at straight people? For that matter, what's with all the blackness? I mean, you turn on any episode of RTD Doctor Who, and you've got, what, at least one or two prominent black characters. In every episode. I'd never seen so many black people in a sci-fi show in my life. It's alright to have a social cause, RTD, but do you have to shove it down our throats? It's bad enough that there are so many women characters, I mean almost half the guest stars are women all the time, but do we have to see ALL the friggin minorities in the world get realistically equal representation? RTD should have kept politics out of it, and just kept the show filled with straight white men.

 

[tomalak301]

What's wrong with Doctor Who tackling issues that are pertenant to today's world? Other than Doctor Who still being a kids show (Which I don't see), I'm glad they've brought on different issues such as homosexuality and the such. I am still waiting for the female Doctor, but if the show is breaking new ground I'm all for it.

This RTD hate really is baffling to me. I have not seen the classic series, so by default I can't hate RTD. He brought Doctor Who to a new audience, and anything that increases the fanbase should be a good thing. I guess I'm still that new of a fan where I just like anything Doctor Who, kinda like when I was a fan of Trek and loved from 1993 to 1999.

 

[Cutter John]

This RTD hate really is baffling to me. I have not seen the classic series, so by default I can't hate RTD. He brought Doctor Who to a new audience, and anything that increases the fanbase should be a good thing. I guess I'm still that new of a fan where I just like anything Doctor Who, kinda like when I was a fan of Trek and loved from 1993 to 1999.

This pretty much. Props for doing things with the show that we only dreamed about back in the old days. Yes, his storytelling style got kind of tired toward the end of series 4.5, but I never went as far as to hate him. Classic Who did much, much worse toward the end.

 

[The]

I think overall I found RTD to be more self-indulgent with too many themes hammered home by repetitive dialogue and (#shudder#) hugging - we're British - what's with all the hugging (and the sudden glut of gayness - from famine to feast - yikes)?

Why is the presence of LGBT characters worthy of a "yikes?" Or a bad thing?

Because that's his opinion as he stated it. And that's all anyone has to know. It's not a human imperative to treat every facet of every culture with due and equal respect. If that were so, we'd all have to tip our hats to the Nazis, since they had their own special culture and all. Meanwhile, excessive and pompous political correctness tends to force the lesser of us to have knee-jerk reactions over anyone saying anything different than the "proper" opinion.

So, when he says "from famine to feast", it shouldn't require a question to follow, or an explanation. If you think it does, then it either means you aren't intelligent enough to comprehend his simple but obvious reasoning of there being (in his opinion) a lack of moderation with the sexualization of the show, or you're just trolling for a chance to get up on your soapbox and "lecture"...

 

[The]

I guess I'm just too much of a Doctor Who fan in general to be nitpicky over stuff

Amen brother!

 

[Sci]

I think overall I found RTD to be more self-indulgent with too many themes hammered home by repetitive dialogue and (#shudder#) hugging - we're British - what's with all the hugging (and the sudden glut of gayness - from famine to feast - yikes)?

Why is the presence of LGBT characters worthy of a "yikes?" Or a bad thing?

Because that's his opinion as he stated it.

Yes, it is. I asked him why that was his opinion, not what his opinion was.

It's not a human imperative to treat every facet of every culture with due and equal respect. If that were so, we'd all have to tip our hats to the Nazis, since they had their own special culture and all.

Did you seriously just compare the LGBT community to the Nazis?

Meanwhile, excessive and pompous political correctness tends to force the lesser of us to have knee-jerk reactions over anyone saying anything different than the "proper" opinion.

Yeah, it's just being PC if someone opposes prejudice.

So, when he says "from famine to feast", it shouldn't require a question to follow, or an explanation. If you think it does, then it either means you aren't intelligent enough to comprehend his simple but obvious reasoning of there being (in his opinion) a lack of moderation with the sexualization of the show, or you're just trolling for a chance to get up on your soapbox and "lecture"...

Yeah, how dare I oppose heterosexism. Obviously just trolling.

Yeah, I agree with the poster up there, there's just way too much gayness, just rampant gayness, in the RTD years. I mean, wasn't there at least two or three openly gay characters, over the course of the five years? That's a bit overkill, if you ask me. Can't RTD, while writing, just pretend to be straight, like the rest of us, and produce television aimed at straight people? For that matter, what's with all the blackness? I mean, you turn on any episode of RTD Doctor Who, and you've got, what, at least one or two prominent black characters. In every episode. I'd never seen so many black people in a sci-fi show in my life. It's alright to have a social cause, RTD, but do you have to shove it down our throats? It's bad enough that there are so many women characters, I mean almost half the guest stars are women all the time, but do we have to see ALL the friggin minorities in the world get realistically equal representation? RTD should have kept politics out of it, and just kept the show filled with straight white men.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Wow I must've skimmed past those posts that Sci quoted because I think I would have ranted and raved in reply. How was there too MUCH "gayness" in RTD's era? What does that even mean?

 

[Ubik]

It means nothing, which is what prompted my (sarcastic) reply.

And how is fair and equal representation on television a sign of "excessive and pompous political correctness"? That's something only a straight white guy could say. If you were gay, and you knew that about 10% of the human race were gay, and you never, ever, EVER saw people like you represented on television in a way that wasn't satirical, stereotypical, and demeaning, you would feel that pop culture found you unimportant, worth hiding, something to be ashamed of. If you were to ask for some fair and honest representation on television (say, 10% of all fictional characters), would that be pompous and excessive political correctness?

No, it may not be a human imperative to be fair and equal to minorities - but it is an ethical imperative, in a forward-thinking country that prides itself on being advanced and civilized. The entertainment industry does have an imperative to improve the social realities in which we live, because the people behind that industry know very well that it's where most people get 90% of their ideas about the world. With that kind of power, and influence, you're damned right they have a moral obligation, not to be "politically correct", but to be human, to be open and accepting and inclusive and curious about other ways of being, to try to spread understanding and empathy. Television is the most powerful educational tool to come around since the written word, and the people behind it therefore have a duty to make its audience better people, and not worse.

Anyway, all of which to say, I commend RTD for being so courageous to be fair and honest about how many gay and black people really do live in England.

 

[The]

Did you seriously just compare the LGBT community to the Nazis?

Yes, Sci, that's exactly what I just did. Isn't it obvious? +2 points for avoiding my point, though. Congrats.

Yeah, it's just being PC if someone opposes prejudice.

Yes, because by his remark, it's obviously prejudice. He mentioned the sudden and immediate influx of homosexuality into Doctor Who, so that must mean he's prejudice. It can't at all mean he was commenting on how obvious and excessive it was at times. No, he's simply being an intolerant hate-monger. Quick, get up on your soapbox so that you can feel better than him...

So, when he says "from famine to feast", it shouldn't require a question to follow, or an explanation. If you think it does, then it either means you aren't intelligent enough to comprehend his simple but obvious reasoning of there being (in his opinion) a lack of moderation with the sexualization of the show, or you're just trolling for a chance to get up on your soapbox and "lecture"...

Yeah, how dare I oppose heterosexism. Obviously just trolling.

You're right, Sci. We should all be bowing to your obvious superior morality. Your selfless opposition of what was an obvious attack has, once again, saved all the innocents who can't think for themselves. Well done.

Yeah, I agree with the poster up there, there's just way too much gayness, just rampant gayness, in the RTD years. I mean, wasn't there at least two or three openly gay characters, over the course of the five years? That's a bit overkill, if you ask me. Can't RTD, while writing, just pretend to be straight, like the rest of us, and produce television aimed at straight people? For that matter, what's with all the blackness? I mean, you turn on any episode of RTD Doctor Who, and you've got, what, at least one or two prominent black characters. In every episode. I'd never seen so many black people in a sci-fi show in my life. It's alright to have a social cause, RTD, but do you have to shove it down our throats? It's bad enough that there are so many women characters, I mean almost half the guest stars are women all the time, but do we have to see ALL the friggin minorities in the world get realistically equal representation? RTD should have kept politics out of it, and just kept the show filled with straight white men.

Quoted for truth.

Also quoted because it sums up the kind of knee-jerk reaction I was talking about...

And how is fair and equal representation on television a sign of "excessive and pompous political correctness"? That's something only a straight white guy could say.

You're right, of course. It can't be because my exact words were:

• "Meanwhile, excessive and pompous political correctness tends to force the lesser of us to have knee-jerk reactions over anyone saying anything different than the "proper" opinion."

So, obviously I was referencing "fair and equal representation on television".

Right.

 

[DimesDan]

Did you seriously just compare the LGBT community to the Nazis?

Yes, Sci, that's exactly what I just did. Isn't it obvious? +2 points for avoiding my point, though. Congrats.

Yeah, it's just being PC if someone opposes prejudice.

Yes, because by his remark, it's obviously prejudice. He mentioned the sudden and immediate influx of homosexuality into Doctor Who, so that must mean he's prejudice. It can't at all mean he was commenting on how obvious and excessive it was at times. No, he's simply being an intolerant hate-monger. Quick, get up on your soapbox so that you can feel better than him...

You're right, Sci. We should all be bowing to your obvious superior morality. Your selfless opposition of what was an obvious attack has, once again, saved all the innocents who can't think for themselves. Well done.

Quoted for truth.

Also quoted because it sums up the kind of knee-jerk reaction I was talking about...

And how is fair and equal representation on television a sign of "excessive and pompous political correctness"? That's something only a straight white guy could say.

You're right, of course. It can't be because my exact words were:

• "Meanwhile, excessive and pompous political correctness tends to force the lesser of us to have knee-jerk reactions over anyone saying anything different than the "proper" opinion."

So, obviously I was referencing "fair and equal representation on television".

Right.

Impressively put The and that was far better articulated than I could have put.

 

[Shazam!]

Yeah, I agree with the poster up there, there's just way too much gayness, just rampant gayness, in the RTD years. I mean, wasn't there at least two or three openly gay characters, over the course of the five years? That's a bit overkill, if you ask me. Can't RTD, while writing, just pretend to be straight, like the rest of us, and produce television aimed at straight people? For that matter, what's with all the blackness? I mean, you turn on any episode of RTD Doctor Who, and you've got, what, at least one or two prominent black characters. In every episode. I'd never seen so many black people in a sci-fi show in my life. It's alright to have a social cause, RTD, but do you have to shove it down our throats? It's bad enough that there are so many women characters, I mean almost half the guest stars are women all the time, but do we have to see ALL the friggin minorities in the world get realistically equal representation? RTD should have kept politics out of it, and just kept the show filled with straight white men.

Or maybe it shoulld be 45 minutes of black men bumming. Y'know, if we're gonna to start hyperbolically throwing sarcastic ideas around.

 

[DimesDan]

Yeah, I agree with the poster up there, there's just way too much gayness, just rampant gayness, in the RTD years. I mean, wasn't there at least two or three openly gay characters, over the course of the five years? That's a bit overkill, if you ask me. Can't RTD, while writing, just pretend to be straight, like the rest of us, and produce television aimed at straight people? For that matter, what's with all the blackness? I mean, you turn on any episode of RTD Doctor Who, and you've got, what, at least one or two prominent black characters. In every episode. I'd never seen so many black people in a sci-fi show in my life. It's alright to have a social cause, RTD, but do you have to shove it down our throats? It's bad enough that there are so many women characters, I mean almost half the guest stars are women all the time, but do we have to see ALL the friggin minorities in the world get realistically equal representation? RTD should have kept politics out of it, and just kept the show filled with straight white men.

Or maybe it shoulld be 45 minutes of black men bumming. Y'know, if we're gonna to start hyperbolically throwing sarcastic ideas around.

I think for effect it should be Muslims doing that kind of thing, Black men bumming, so 1950s in it's fears!

 

[cultcross]

"The Doctor And the Scientologist-Muslim Bummers". Coming this fall...

 

[Tulin]

If anything this season has seemed a bit bland so far.

This.

Moff's season has been a bit of a disappointment hus far. He even managed to fuck up the angels.