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Star Trek Phase II- how can I watch this?

We don't think the untangible "flavor" of Star Trek is so inextricably bound to the original actors...

I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on that point. The argument about legendary characters like Holmes and Superman has been made before, and the difference is that characters like them originated in another medium and were adapted onto the screen, thus giving each actor a standardized point of reference on which to base their performance. As much as I like Jeremy Brett's version of Holmes, Conan Doyle wasn't basing his characterizations of Holmes on Brett's performance.
Conversely, the writers of the original episodes, after the first few, were basing their characterizations of Kirk and the gang on how Shatner and the gang had interpreted those characters. Even though Spock didn't act quite like himself in the earliest shows, Nimoy still put in a lot of time and effort developing the character beforehand and figuring out how he should be played. In fact, according to an account from the book Star Trek Lives!, Leonard Nimoy essentially directed the pivotal Spock scene of "The Naked Time," which so elevated the fans' appreciation of him. A large part of what the characters are is due directly to the actors that played them. There's just no way someone can say they're interpreting Kirk in a vacuum from how Shatner interpreted him. Kirk was defined by how Shatner interpreted him, and therefore, they are inextricably linked.

Fundamentally, this really isn't the same as Hamlet or Superman. The only "real" Superman is the one in the comics. Everything else is an adaptation. The only real Holmes is in the original Conan Doyle conan. But the only real Kirk is William Shatner, and everything else is based on his performance. If neither the way the actor plays the role, nor the way the writer writes the role is based on Shatner's interpretation, then it is, in fact, not Kirk.

I don't know, I'm not trying to be antagonistic (although I may be failing again); if this is about paying homage to a great show that you all love and cherish, then that's something I can appreciate and enjoy. It's not the same, for me, but I could still watch it on the level that these are fans who are realizing the dream of being a part of Star Trek, and I can vicariously enjoy that experience. But if this is really about believing that this is as good as the original series, then, to be honest, I would find that quite arrogant (if that were the case).

Anyway, I will watch "In Harm's Way," and try to keep an open mind.
 
if this is about paying homage to a great show that you all love and cherish, then that's something I can appreciate and enjoy. It's not the same, for me, but I could still watch it on the level that these are fans who are realizing the dream of being a part of Star Trek, and I can vicariously enjoy that experience.
^^^^That's how I see it, plus, a well written story is always a great thing!!:techman:
 
Well, you say that Kirk is inextricably linked to Shatner, but then you say multiple times that Shatner interpreted the character. I think even you are uncertain whether Kirk as a character exists in some inherent, idealized, theoretical way that Shatner simply did his best to interpret.

I think I would probably agree that Shatner's portrayal was seminal but I'm not sure I would agree that it is necessarily definitive.

I guess the short of it is that if you take Shatner and Nimoy and the rest out of the day-to-day equation of Star Trek are you left with Zero--nothing but a hollow shell? Or is there actually still something there worthy of exploration--something that still can legitimately be called "Star Trek?" Are there still Kirk-ish interactions with a Spock-ish character that are worth further investigation and that can offer commentary on the human condition? Is the Enterprise a character we can continue to care about even though it's being portrayed by CGI instead of by an eleven foot model? I say yes. David Gerrold and D.C. Fontana say yes. In the end, people who can subscribe to our notion will watch; those who can't, won't. And that's all fine.

One of my favorite quotes about our series comes from Buffy and Firefly creator Joss Whedon--who decided to do Dr. Horrible's Singalong Blog as an Internet production based on the strength of our production:

"The one that really got me was the Star Trek episode, the New Voyages, which was over an hour of film and extraordinarily artfully scripted entertainment that streamed perfectly. I'm not a trekker, and I was riveted. I was sitting on a stool in my kitchen, and I cannot move. I was like, this is amazing.

"It was probably the best episode of the original Star Trek I'd ever seen. The only [bad] part of it was that the special effects were a little too good. Apart from that they really aped the camera work, the acting, the story structures and the over-quoting of Shakespeare. And it worked tremendously."

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My recommendation is to start your viewing with the episode that was nominated for a Nebula Award and a Hugo Award. Start with the episode where George Takei came back to play Sulu: "World Enough and Time."
 
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Isn't/wasn't there a fairly simple bittorrent link on the website? Nothing could be easier to use.

RAMA
 
The good thing about PII is similar to what the movie did. They don't try and be Shatner like or Nimoy like really. But the characters still stay similar enough to form where you can see those characters. I didn't really like the 2nd guy that played Spock that much as much as the first guy. But the spirit of Star Trek is nailed with P2 more than most of the other fan films out there.
 
GS, thanks -- I did see that; thanks! ...I was wondering if there are any that aren't in pieces. And yes, I can certainly feel the love; it's wonderful.
Not it pieces? Yeah we have them somewhere. I'll check with our IT guys and see if I can find who might be hosting the full, un-broken-down files. (They are just so darn huge and unwieldy.)
I download AVI files for full-hour videos and Handbrake them into small, good looking versions for iPod.
 
I feel like a neanderthal! How is it I've not heard of this before!?!?!
I guess it's been TOO LONG since I went to a Con... :vulcan:
 
I feel like a neanderthal! How is it I've not heard of this before!?!?!
I guess it's been TOO LONG since I went to a Con... :vulcan:

Well, Paramount and CBS Consumer Products have been nice enough to let us play in their sandbox, asking nothing from us in return, really. (Well, they do ask that we not make a single Red Cent, and they do ask that we not advertise.) So, we keep a fairly low profile. But please spread the word to anyone who you think might be interested.
 
Well, Paramount and CBS Consumer Products have been nice enough to let us play in their sandbox, asking nothing from us in return, really. (Well, they do ask that we not make a single Red Cent, and they do ask that we not advertise.) So, we keep a fairly low profile.
Actually, that's really nice of them, considering! See if Lucas would be as 'forgiving' :guffaw:
But please spread the word to anyone who you think might be interested.
You got it!!!
 
I actually enjoy Phase II very much and have turned on many of my Star Trek fans to it. Is there anyway to down load these episodes so I can burn them onto a DVD?
 
Okay, just saw my first full episode, To Serve All My Days, and I have to say I was very impressed & entertained. My only negative criticism was that the editing was sluggish & at times distracting; never cut from a close-up to a medium shot from the same angle without SERIOUS attention to continuity.
But, really, GREAT work!!!!:techman::techman::techman:
 
Oh
MY
GREAT BIRD OF THE GALAXY!!!!!

I just saw "World Enough And Time" here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9214316752721424505#

And all I have to say to the crew is THANK YOU!!!!

I'm still in shock. Awesome. It made me cry! Real terran tears!
I have no more words for it.

Well, just a few...

Cawley was SUPERB!!!!! Nailed it! Takei was brilliant! The actress playing Sulu's daughter was phenomenal! Editing was Hollywood-class! Direction was spot-on! Writing was TOS level! FX were astounding!

Umm... yeah, I liked it.:p
 
Tell your friends; wake the neighbors!

We're proud of the episode. Well, we're proud of all our episodes. Mostly we're happy with our growth curve. (I think our trend is more important to us than any one point on the curve.)

I'm glad you like it. We don't make a cent and these things cost us, well, a lot to make. The only income we get is people saying nice things. So we really appreciate the comments.

So, it affected you and drove you to tears even though other actors were in the TOS character roles? Is that actually possible? ;)



Oh
MY
GREAT BIRD OF THE GALAXY!!!!!

I just saw "World Enough And Time" here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9214316752721424505#

And all I have to say to the crew is THANK YOU!!!!

I'm still in shock. Awesome. It made me cry! Real terran tears!
I have no more words for it.

Well, just a few...

Cawley was SUPERB!!!!! Nailed it! Takei was brilliant! The actress playing Sulu's daughter was phenomenal! Editing was Hollywood-class! Direction was spot-on! Writing was TOS level! FX were astounding!

Umm... yeah, I liked it.:p
 
We're proud of the episode.
And you have every right.
So, it affected you and drove you to tears even though other actors were in the TOS character roles? Is that actually possible? ;)
The play! The play's the thing!
Even if you had not gotten Takei to be in it, it would have been great. His presence just added that extra kick & spark. It was beautifully written, directed & produced. I really feel that I have just watched a new OS episode. My 11 year old Son watched it with me, and though he had his own misgivings with the actor playing Spock, he too was affected by the episode. And THAT'S saying a LOT, given that he had problems with Chris Pine as Kirk in Abram's movie!

Yeah, I had to blow my nose & everything.:shifty::lol:
 
Glad to see another convert to Phase 2 enjoying the episodes I like to call "the gold standard of fan films."

My favorite is still the first official one, in part due to the fact that it was the first independent production that really felt like Trek to me, and the guest stars helped with that feeling.

Don't get me wrong. I love them all, but that one's still my favorite!
 
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