If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or not?

[Hartzilla2007]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

If they do the Klingons can they make them more like the Klingons from the novel The Final Reflection? I mean it wouldn't be the first time Abrams and co. used ideas from the book.

 

[F. King Daniel]

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That's not true. Star Trek: Enterprise was the only thing unaffected.

As much as I like ENT, it has occurred to me that it may very well have been affected/altered by the changes in the timeline. After all, some major plot elements of ENT such as the Temporal Cold War and the Xindi crisis have origin points far in the future, and so any alteration in the 23rd century would probably affect events in the 22nd century... (head asplode)

Ditto, whether the writers know it or not the time line of Enterprise must also have been affected in some way.

I'm late to the party but: You're wrong. The timelines all share a common past. Archer was visited by at least three alternate versions of Daniels, from slightly different futures. Voyager was visited by two Captain Braxtons ("I never experienced that timeline" one said). All branches of the big time tree.

Otherwise, they would erase *themselves* when they tamper!

 

[Hythlodeus]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

To introduce the Klingons I would have them make a power grab given the vacuum and weakened state of the Federation after the destruction of Vulcan. That makes the most sense to me.

i have the theory that after the narada attacked and destroyed 47 klingon ships, the klingon empire would probably start a war with the romulans.

 

[JarodRussell]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

Is there really any vacuum and weakened state?

How much weaker would the United States be politically and military if, say, California gets wiped out entirely? You don't even have to do any rescue missions because you know for a fact that nobody survived. All you have to deal with is a larger bunch of 10,000 Californians who need new homes in Nevada.

Starfleet lost 7 ships, though. But the Klingons lost 47. So they're about equal again, I guess.

 

[Anachronus]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

If they do the Klingons can they make them more like the Klingons from the novel The Final Reflection? I mean it wouldn't be the first time Abrams and co. used ideas from the book.

I concur. Ford's version of Klingon culture was quite engrossing.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

If they do the Klingons can they make them more like the Klingons from the novel The Final Reflection? I mean it wouldn't be the first time Abrams and co. used ideas from the book.

I concur. Ford's version of Klingon culture was quite engrossing.

It was also intertesting that technologically Ford's Klingons seemed to be one or two steps ahead of the Federation, also I thought it was amusing that not only do Ford's Klingons rake baths, they actually enjoy it. Oh and it was nice that Hord used the everyone is under constant surveillance thing from Errand of Mercy that was dropped sometime after that episode.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

Here's what I said on this subject in one of the other STXI+ Klingon forums:

I'd love to see smart Klingons, as depicted in the old novels The Final Reflection or Pawns and Symbols. I far prefer both types to the "Hulk Smash!" TNG/DS9 versions.

I loved the helmet/trenchcoat look from the deleted scene (as well as the soft-spoken interrogator), but I'd put the important Klingons (i.e. not the grunts) in the Klingon gear from the Nero comic. It was a neat update of the TOS look with what seemed a hi-tech futuristic ultra-lightweight kevlar mesh instead of the (utterly useless) heavy armour from TMP onwards.

I'd like a mix of Klingon forehead looks (a few in TMP "spine" style, STVI, TNG/DS9 etc) as well as a few human-fusions. There would be no different treatment between the types of Klingons. I like the idea that that the Klingons treat all Klingon racial variants as equals (above all other aliens, of course). It sort-of applies Trek values to the bad guys too.

 

[Yalana Cotu]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

I would want them to have ridges, smooth brows, and even horns.
And then, there would be more Star Trek!
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So everyone would be happy! ...except maybe the poor Klingons with horns.
That could interfere with their helmets... and the other Klingons might laugh...

and then, their honor could be damaged.

So - maybe, on second thought, no horns.

Altogether, an interesting thread. I enjoyed reading it.
(all I really had to say)​

 

[Captain T'Anyel]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

No stinkin Ridges for Klingons OR Romulans - they look stupid!

 

[JarodRussell]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

Yeah, let's stop making aliens look like aliens.
So in the future every alien culture - Klingons, Romulans, so forth - will be both humanoid and look just like humans. Because everything else looks stupid.

 

[Yalana Cotu]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

Wait a minute!? I just realised that I misread the question!

It says: "...would you want ridges or not?"

NO! I, most certainly, would NOT!

I would like to see the Klingons be free to choose either condition.
That would be the libertarian thing to do.

But I would not want any ridges - thank you. My forehead looks bad enough as it is, with all of my people doing that eyebrow thing that Leonard Nimoy stole from us! Ridges would just make things much worse.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

Yeah, let's stop making aliens look like aliens.
So in the future every alien culture - Klingons, Romulans, so forth - will be both humanoid and look just like humans. Because everything else looks stupid.

Yeah in the case of the Romulans let's fuck evolution, I mean what do all those scientists know that us trekkies don't?

As for the Klingons I don't care if they have ridges or not just make them a credible threat.

 

[Broccoli]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

The problem with this is, there's no way in hell someone like Dr. Bashir wouldn't have been aware of the instances surrounding the deletion of the Klingon forehead ridges as shown in ENT. It's not like the 22nd century Klingons kept it secret from Archer's crew. And yet in "T&T" he's just as dumbfounded as the others.

My guess is that, considering the Augment link, Earth made the situation hush-hush from the populace. Besides Archer's crew and a small handful of others, what other Earth people saw the Klingons?

The Klingons, of course, kept it to themselves based on Worf's statement (presumably due to the situation making the Klingons look foolish).

Also, Bashir might have been just faking not knowing since he was still "playing dumb" at that point.

 

[peteym5]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

I say go with more of the ridge look, maybe combine it with different levels of complexity. Some Klingons will look more human, some will have more of the Movie/TNG look. With what can be done with makup, they can make them more realistic.

It would not take much to explain it away, say they started curing the Augment Viral thing. Make a joke about it. We know it was cured at some point around Kirks time and Nero altered history changing when that happened. Worf established Klingons don't like discussing things with outsiders.

I like the ideal of making the Klingons more Nazi like. The Klingons have houses and different Chancellors comming to power. When Nero destroyed the Klingon ships, a upcomming Chancellor got killed and a Hitler like leader came to power.

 

[tau136]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

They more than likely will have ridges - have you known any makeover of old faithfuls not to use real-world advances to the full and send continuity out the airlock.

Nazi simply isn't the ethos of the Klingon. A more apt analogy would be the Mongol Hordes: honour, houses under warlords, martial spirit.

 

[peteym5]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

Making them more Nazi like probably violate Trek cannon a little come to think of it. It is more likely the Romulans or the Cardassians can end up adapting something like a Nazi movement. What I was thinking after Nero destroyed that fleet of Klingon Fleet, a new Chanceller came to power and do something like Hitler did in the 30s to rebuild the Klingon Empire.

 

[Red Ranger]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

Ridges. Klingons, like Ruffles, have ridges!

 

[T'Girl]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

Yeah, let's stop making aliens look like aliens.
So in the future every alien culture - Klingons, Romulans, so forth - will be both humanoid and look just like humans. Because everything else looks stupid.

Yeah in the case of the Romulans let's fuck evolution, I mean what do all those scientists know that us trekkies don't?

As for the Klingons I don't care if they have ridges or not just make them a credible threat.

While simple make-up would be okay, I'd like to see them (TPTB) move away from the super elaborate effects. Even after she stopped wearing the fake ears we knew Kes was non-Human, the TOS Klingon got the idea across without the big latex job.

If Abrams want to change the Klingons to a third look, why not just invent a brand new species?

 

[JarodRussell]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

If Abrams want to change the Klingons to a third look, why not just invent a brand new species?

If Abrams wanted to change Star Trek to something else, why didn't he just invent a brand new franchise?

 

[Whill]

Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or

In the TOS, Romulans were originally intended to be the big arch-nemesis of the Federation but giving them the ears was too expensive so they created a lower-budget race. They were never happy with that, and after TMP, Roddenberry's explanation for the changes at the time was that it was merely a retcon... "Just pretend they always had the ridges in TOS". In light of Worf going back in time to the TOS in DS9, they had to mention the issue but didn't canonize an actual in-universe solution until the end of Enterprise, thus also explaining why the Klingons had the ridges earlier in the series until the end.

They intentionally didn't use Klingons as the villains in the new Trek, and the deleted scene had them wear helmets so as to not reveal what was underneath. Even if they were ridgeless Klingons, it made sense for them to have helmets with the ridges to help them accept their loss of racial pride and identity that many Klingons undoubtedly felt because of the Augment Virus making them more human-like.

They should have the ridges in the new Trek.

They could just explain the Klingons learned a lot from having the Nerada for 25 years and one of the things they learned from the medical databanks was a way to end the Augment Virus plague before it had completely run its course.

My point is, the franchise waited until the end of Enterprise because it is really lame for Klingons to not have the ridges, thus the ridgeless Klingons only existed from 2154 to about 2270. Now they have the budget for them, so it is better to just make up an explaination and put the ridges back in the new timeline...

...If there needs to be Klingons at all. They could also just create original stories with more original characters and not show the Klingons in the new Star Trek. Then it's a non-issue.