Why can't science and religion just get along?
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And that he is a destructive genocidal maniac, apparently.
And the very fact that we can say this makes us morally superior to the supposedly almighty God. Eat some of that!
We know that it is wrong to punish and slaughter people. God didn't care. In fact, God divided his own creations into two factions: one that mattered to him, and one that could be slaughtered. That is not the work of a good God. Not at all.
There are many things we would like to wish were true in life.
I mean, I wish I could fly and defy gravity. But I can't. But some things are the way they are and cannot be changed. I am just the messenger so please don't shoot me. I am just telling you my experience and my life (with my personal walk with God). And I know Faith is the first step. It is just the way it is.
As for other miracles and spiritual experiences for people in other religions: Well, not all of them can be the one true and correct one way. And if there is no "one way". Then nobody should believe anything then. But the existence of demon possession, and talk of Angels, and God, the devil and spiritualistic experiences or miracles, and debate about the end times, attack against the Bible, religions based around the Bible all suggest that there is something more to the Bible than it being just a book.
Plus, many of those people who have had experiences in other religions did not do extensive research into ALL religions in comparison to the Bible and science.
As for astral projection:
That is a practice that has been tied to the occult. And the occult is tied to satanism and or demons.
http://www.spiritualityoftheworld.com/?p=468
The reason for the hope that I have is that I took that step of faith after hearing God's message or call. Once I took that first step. It was like a light was turned on inside me. I felt completely changed. And ever since then, the hope that I have is confirmed in the knowledge that He has shown me over the many years (of being a Christian). In science, other religions, the Bible, my life, other people's lives, and the good that He has brought into my life. The reason for my hope is that I know without a doubt Jesus died for my sins (and He is the one and only true way). I hope that message will talk to anyones heart who is willing to listen or is ready to take that first step.
1st Peter 3:15
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you..."
God called you? What did he say?
It's funny how the topic of this thread is turning into a hate against God and the Bible.
Please, folks. Let's try to be kind and civil. I am just telling you my personal walk with God. If you don't want any part of it. Please resist to the urge to insult and please move on. Either that or research the subject extensively before making any pre-judgements about it.
Please, folks. Let's try to be kind and civil. I am just telling you my personal walk with God. If you don't want any part of it. Please resist to the urge to insult and please move on. Either that or research the subject extensively before making any pre-judgements about it.
Did I insult you? I merely asked you what he told you.
Where have I expressed hated towards God? How can you hate something that you don't thinks exist.
If I say that IMO the Christian God (as a mythological figure) makes less sense than most other mythological beings that is not hate at all. I put such a statement in the same category as saying that the Ocampans as a race didn't make much sense in Star Trek.
I think that my friend seeing Sai Baba in his bedroom was either a dream or a delusion. I don't think that there was any supernatural happening. If people see demons the same applies. It might seem real to them but that doesn't mean it is real. The demon is either a delusion/dream or something that exists naturally within this universe but is rarely seen.
In fact I am certain that nothing supernatural exists because I don't think anything can exist outside of nature. There are things we don't understand but that doesn't make them supernatural, it only makes them unexplained. If 'God' exists and can react with the Universe than he is a part of nature and therefore not a God. If a being exists outside this Universe than it doesn't matters to this Universe and is immaterial and its existence unprovable.
Have you looked into Quakerism, have you looked into Jainism, have you looked into Buddhism, have you looked into Humanism? If not, than you are only as qualified to make a judgment on my beliefs as I am qualified to make a judgment on yours. Maybe you are less qualified because I have at least looked into Christianity and have read the Bible.
If I say that IMO the Christian God (as a mythological figure) makes less sense than most other mythological beings that is not hate at all. I put such a statement in the same category as saying that the Ocampans as a race didn't make much sense in Star Trek.
I think that my friend seeing Sai Baba in his bedroom was either a dream or a delusion. I don't think that there was any supernatural happening. If people see demons the same applies. It might seem real to them but that doesn't mean it is real. The demon is either a delusion/dream or something that exists naturally within this universe but is rarely seen.
In fact I am certain that nothing supernatural exists because I don't think anything can exist outside of nature. There are things we don't understand but that doesn't make them supernatural, it only makes them unexplained. If 'God' exists and can react with the Universe than he is a part of nature and therefore not a God. If a being exists outside this Universe than it doesn't matters to this Universe and is immaterial and its existence unprovable.
People are having more problems with your condescending attitude than they are having with your God. Many of us have done extensive research into your God, other religions and also into evolution. I, myself, consider myself to be a non-theist Quaker and I have looked into Quakerism for years. I consider theist Quakers to be Religious Humanists whereas I am a Secular Humanist.
Have you looked into Quakerism, have you looked into Jainism, have you looked into Buddhism, have you looked into Humanism? If not, than you are only as qualified to make a judgment on my beliefs as I am qualified to make a judgment on yours. Maybe you are less qualified because I have at least looked into Christianity and have read the Bible.
Well, the actual validity to the existence of the dinosaur ice age aside: The flood at Noah's arc is a situation where the entire population of the world did not follow God and was excessively sinful.
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually".
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually".
Quoting the Bible to prove God exists is no more logical than me quoting Lord of the Rings to prove that Frodo Baggins exists.
There is no geological proof that the story of Noah's Ark is true.
There is no geological proof that the story of Noah's Ark is true.
I want to know what a Dinosaur Ice Age is.
So God tried to kill everyone who did not follow the rules he made up. Still can't see how that makes him a good person. If I killed everyone who didn't do what I want...
A universally evil society? Doesn't sound very sustainable really, does it.
So you have never ran into anything that was ever evil or good? Or have you ever felt like an angel was looking out for you when you were younger at one point in your life? Are you denying that evil exists then? That there is no devil or God? Then why are there recorded demon possessions on record then? Is that all a lie?
I mean, surely it is no coincidence that bad or freaky things happened as a result of the first Exorcist film.
And that's just the tip of the ice berg.
Especially since the definition of "good" and "evil" depends entirely on the point of view. Americans are fighting terrorists. The Americans see the terrorists as evil. But the terrorists see the Americans as evil. Who is right? Both.
And God should actually be the one knowing this. But instead, he is taking sides, categorizing humanity between good and evil, black and white. I mean, what the hell?
You mean the records of psychological disorders that were not properly diagnosed and treated?
Even Christians would be quick to label you as a sociopath and yet they some of them seem to be accepting of the same sort of behaviour in their God.
It would be quite easy for the Christian God to suddenly decide than pre-marital sex or homosexuality is no longer a sin. He makes the rules, he can easily change them. He could decide that wearing the colour blue is a sin, this being a sin wouldn't be a logical decision but neither is declaring homosexuality as a sin logical whereas there is a logical reason to say that murdering a human being is a sin.
Evil doesn't exist. People doing bad things can by explained without the need for the existence of evil. People can be born 'wired wrong' become psychological disturbed, be sociopaths etc that is all a result of the human mind being a complex organ with which many things can go wrong.
So are you saying that if Hitler and his army won the war, then they really wouldn't be all that sustainable?
What about Al Qaeda?
Or Satanists who practice human sacrifice?
In fact, there are many examples of evil or sinful groups through out history and that still exist today and have been sustainable for significant amounts of time.
So you went out and did a world wide geological survey yourself? There are arguments for and against on both sides.
It is up to you to decide if God is a liar or not. That is why faith is so important. You can't see until you take that first step like Indiana Jones did in the Last Crusade. It doesn't work by pointing out facts. Cause anyone can twist around the facts as they see it. It happens all the time, even on topics of Star Trek.
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