The sad anniversary

[Kai Winn]

i'm trying to forget that awful episode, watched it a single time only. i believe berman and braga wanted to ease the pain of the fans to part with star trek, and it sort of worked. watched the 3th season recently for the first time, geez that's really good. episode 'countdown', the great fx when the anomaly crumbles a couple of xindi ships, i was watching with my mouth open. never seen stuff that good before. forget the cheesy models and cgi of tos and tng, and their more often than not weird villains, forget the one-dimensional founders/vorta/jem hadar, nothing but voyager at its very best equals enterprise's 3th and 4th seasons.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Read THE GOOD THAT MEN DO and then TATV won't suck as much. Once you know the "truth" about that episode.

You mean that book that took a rubbish episode and made an even bigger, stupider mess of things?

Trip faking his death to go undercover as a Romulan spy?

They could have brought him back in a billion ways. They chose the stupidest option available.

"Disappointment" isn't the word

 

[Middleman]

I'd appreciate it if you would. (Truly.)

Are you saying that they simply hate Enterprise?

I actually enjoyed These Are The Voyages, for the most part. I didn't like that a lot of details were wrong, that the story seemed rather pointless, or - especially - that Tucker was killed. But I liked it much more than I did most of the fourth season. (I mostly enjoyed the first season of Enterprise, and largely enjoyed the second (though, on average, much less), but felt the series lost quality with each passing year.) It wasn't a very good episode, but it wasn't so terrible as I thought Terra Prime was, either.

Well seeing as you asked .....

Based on my experiences those that "liked" These are the Voyages fall into 3 general categories.

1. The majority of those that liked TATV are those "fans" that really hated Enterprise. They watched it religiously, and then got on the Internet, bashed it endlessly and complained to CBS/Paramount. My theory is they enjoyed it because TATV pissed off "real" Enterprise fans. Sort of like getting pleasure from pouring salt into a wound.

2. I was told by the censor of this board that I would be banned from here if I ever discuss the second reason. So, all I'll say about it is that there is a very small minority of delusional "shipper" fans who liked TATV because of the main character death.

3. Then there is a very small number of true Enterprise fans that thought TATV was actually good and enjoyed it. I actually know of one such person. He's a nice enough guy but I guess there is no accounting for taste; to each their own. What's important here is: their hearts were in the right place.

I'm not looking for an argument and you don't have to agree with me or even like what I'm saying. I'm just calling it as I see it and not sugar coating it.

 

[Kain]

I kind of liked most of ENT, since I did not have high expectations anyway, but even I found TATV stupid. But I forgot all this in the final scene.

To hear once again the intro speech from all the captains of the Enterprise, and see the ship from all the three series has left me awed.

So I just keep that scene in my mind, and pretend the rest of the episode does not exist...

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Well seeing as you asked .....

Based on my experiences those that "liked" These are the Voyages fall into 3 general categories.

1. The majority of those that liked TATV are those "fans" that really hated Enterprise. They watched it religiously, and then got on the Internet, bashed it endlessly and complained to CBS/Paramount. My theory is they enjoyed it because TATV pissed off "real" Enterprise fans. Sort of like getting pleasure from pouring salt into a wound.

2. I was told by the censor of this board that I would be banned from here if I ever discuss the second reason. So, all I'll say about it is that there is a very small minority of delusional "shipper" fans who liked TATV because of the main character death.

3. Then there is a very small number of true Enterprise fans that thought TATV was actually good and enjoyed it. I actually know of one such person. He's a nice enough guy but I guess there is no accounting for taste; to each their own. What's important here is: their hearts were in the right place.

I'm not looking for an argument and you don't have to agree with me or even like what I'm saying. I'm just calling it as I see it and not sugar coating it.

Damn it all, Middleman, what part of "Quit the sniping and name-calling" do you not understand? Do you want a warning?

This is strike two. NO MORE trash-talking about "fans" or "shipper" or "supposedly," or whatever the hell else you stick between quotes in some lame attempt to get away with insulting members with whom you disagree. If you really have a burning need to whine and disparage others, go to TNZ.

 

[cooleddie74]

Read THE GOOD THAT MEN DO and then TATV won't suck as much. Once you know the "truth" about that episode.

You mean that book that took a rubbish episode and made an even bigger, stupider mess of things?

Trip faking his death to go undercover as a Romulan spy?

They could have brought him back in a billion ways. They chose the stupidest option available.

"Disappointment" isn't the word

Even with all its flaws, "TGTMD" is still light years better than the final episode was. I'm not saying it's what I'd have written, but it's a lot closer to something palatable and enjoyable.

 

[Mach5]

Trip faking his death to go undercover as a Romulan spy?

I never really thought of him as a spy. He was recruited to steal the Romulan warp 7 technology, and he was the best choice for such mission because of his engineering expertize and his proven ability to improvise. He wasn't sent there alone, he had a real, experienced Section 31 operative to watch his back, but the guy got killed and Trip got stuck behind enemy lines completely on his own.

This storyline isn't perfect, but at least it's interesting. And I see nothing wrong with fiction being interesting, so long as it's not completely ridiculous.

 

[JiNX-01]

OK, I watched Demons and will be watching Terra Prime after Jeopardy. Yup. Total nerd.

 

[Middleman]

OK, I watched Demons and will be watching Terra Prime after Jeopardy. Yup. Total nerd.

Not really .... you know how to "celebrate"!

 

[JiNX-01]

OK, I watched Demons and will be watching Terra Prime after Jeopardy. Yup. Total nerd.

Not really .... you know how to "celebrate"!

What a lovely episode! I teared up when Phlox sadly tells Archer it was "as if she was his own child."

 

[Middleman]

What a lovely episode! I teared up when Phlox sadly tells Archer it was "as if she was his own child."

 

[RandyS]

For me, May 13 is two Star Trek anniversaries.

2005: the end of Enterprise and 18 years of Star Trek on TV.

2009: The day me and two of my friends saw Star Trek XI in our local theater for the first time.

 

[T'Girl]

Not to mention that they didn't even show Ar
cher giving the speech.

The mid section of Archer's speech included a interesting fable
comparing the birth of the Federation with the birth of a gazelle.

 

[Reanok]

What a lovely episode! I teared up when Phlox sadly tells Archer it was "as if she was his own child."

It's hard to believe it's been 5 years since Enterprise was canceled.Demons and Terra Prime are a fitting finale for Enterprise. I'm glad we still have the novels to continue Enterprise's adventures and Trip is alive in the books.

 

[cooleddie74]

What a lovely episode! I teared up when Phlox sadly tells Archer it was "as if she was his own child."

It's hard to believe it's been 5 years since Enterprise was canceled.Demons and Terra Prime are a fitting finale for Enterprise. I'm glad we still have the novels to continue Enterprise's adventures and Trip is alive in the books.

Bingo. The less I think about "TATV" the better I feel.

 

[Cornholio]

yeah, it is a sad anniversary.

I got to see a lot of the things I wanted to see in ENT, and for the most part I enjoyed the show.

TATV was not something that I wanted to see though, and I'll never see it again.

 

[Captain T'Anyel]

I Loved Every Minute Of It and I Miss It To This Day! It should have been given at the very least a 5th season so that we could have finally seen The Romulan War and the founding of The Federation - events that had been eluded to ever since TOS. I feel sorry for star trek fans who didn't enjoy this show.

 

[Amasov]

I found out about the cancellation of the series on an early February morning of 2005. I just relocated to Orlando, FL to start college. It really didn't come as a huge surprise to me. The fourth season was exceptionally good, but given all the ups and (mostly) downs the series had gone through, I wasn't too sad to see it go.

Sure, it meant no new Star Trek on a weekly basis - something I had NEVER experienced before, but during this time, LOST was smack in the middle of its spectacular and extremely addictive first season on ABC, so my attention was really directed there.

I knew Star Trek would make a huge come back, whether it be a new TV series or feature film, so I wasn't exactly scared of never seeing any NEW Trek again.

With Enterprise, my least favorite of the franchise, it still had its moments. When it was gearing up to premiere, I was so excited. In fact, I was thinking this was going to be the NEW Next Generation. In other words, I thought, if successful, there would be a slew of further Star Trek spin-offs that would take place in this era which could have eventually taken us to the roots of what would eventually become TOS.

In some respects, I do miss it, though. Around this time two years ago, I remember thinking, "Man, if ENTERPRISE had continued into seven seasons, it would be ending around this time."

 

[pookha]

Not to mention that they didn't even show Ar
cher giving the speech.

The mid section of Archer's speech included a interesting fable
comparing the birth of the Federation with the birth of a gazelle.

we didnt get to see the speech because archer really never got the chance to give it. he was attacked by maurading gazelles.

 

[Aikiweezie]

I Loved Every Minute Of It and I Miss It To This Day! It should have been given at the very least a 5th season so that we could have finally seen The Romulan War and the founding of The Federation - events that had been eluded to ever since TOS. I feel sorry for star trek fans who didn't enjoy this show.

DITTO!