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They basically transposed all the questions and mysterious about Jacob and MiB to their "mother". Want to bet we don't see her again at all?
Lost 6x15: "Across the Sea"
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It all depends on your perspective. Jacob said the island is his home. So, the evil needs to be contained on the other side of the cork. Thereby protecting his home.
Mr Awe
I honestly don't mean to sound smug, but for several months now this is what I've been predicting.
Jacob and MiB are just individuals with an agenda. They use others as pawns to acomplish their ends. There are a lot of theatrics involved in getting people to follow you and one tactic is to claim that you know the truth. This is especially useful when the truth is particularly obscured, such as on the island. People want certainty. And, if they don't know the truth, they want to be with the guy/gal who does know the truth!
But, in reality, no one knows the truth. It symbolizes real life. We don't know why we're here, or even if there is a reason. Some claim to know, but we're all really lost in one way or another. How do you handle this uncertainty? One message of Lost is to not be a pawn for someone else. Look at all the examples in this show of characters who thought that they were working for someone who was tapped into a higher truth but ultimately wasted their time: Locke, Richard, and even Jacob himself.
To find yourself, you need to determine what is important to you rather than someone else.
Mr Awe
I'm surprised how nice and mostly positive everyone is being on here. I have seen Lost boards ripping this ep to shreds like I have never seen before.
I didn't love it or hate it. I just feel weird after watching it.
I didn't love it or hate it. I just feel weird after watching it.
There is a reason this is the only message I have ever belonged to.
I wasn't sure what rating to give this episode.
I had to take a Time Out and reflect on it.....
Then I voted "Average" as it was a good episode, it answered a lot of questions, and was a nice look into the overall mythology of the show.
I'm not gonna rip into the episode, I know we're close to the end here and there will always be questions that are left open, it's the nature of the show, it has to be that way.
If it wasn't that way it wouldn't be called "LOST" for we wouldn't be that way after watching the latest episode of people on an island were weird sh-tuff happens all the time.
- W -
* Who's still LOST & loving every second of it *
I had to take a Time Out and reflect on it.....
Then I voted "Average" as it was a good episode, it answered a lot of questions, and was a nice look into the overall mythology of the show.
I'm not gonna rip into the episode, I know we're close to the end here and there will always be questions that are left open, it's the nature of the show, it has to be that way.
If it wasn't that way it wouldn't be called "LOST" for we wouldn't be that way after watching the latest episode of people on an island were weird sh-tuff happens all the time.
- W -
* Who's still LOST & loving every second of it *
I'm honestly surprised at all the hate.
I mean, there are a lot of people who were inevitably going to be impossible to please and the ending was going to piss them off no matter what. I just figured the finale would be the episode to do it.
For myself I thought it was fucking great. But then, I wasn't expecting some rapturous enlightenment at the end of it. That must have something to do with it.
I'm too lazy to re-read the thread to check who said it.
But someone speculated that the obscured people looked suspiciously like Jack, Sawyer and Kate.
Maybe they were... or at least the actors.
Maybe they needed some extras for the parts and they put the main cast in there as a joke and just obscured them to not confuse the audience.
Perhaps they were contractually bound to put the three leads one more episode and this was their workaround?
If true the internet might have exploded if they had shown the faces more clearer.
But someone speculated that the obscured people looked suspiciously like Jack, Sawyer and Kate.
Maybe they were... or at least the actors.
Maybe they needed some extras for the parts and they put the main cast in there as a joke and just obscured them to not confuse the audience.
Perhaps they were contractually bound to put the three leads one more episode and this was their workaround?
If true the internet might have exploded if they had shown the faces more clearer.
Once the Mother said, "Every question I answer will lead to another question," I knew they weren't going to answer shit.
Checkmate
Commodore
Reasons this episode (and as a result, the show as a whole) were awful:
1. A wizard did it. Literally. Knotty Mommy Hair was shown to be a witch casting a spell to make Jacob magical like her, and the source of their power is a magic cave with a glowy golden light that permeates us all. (I bet the wine she gave him was filled with midichlorians!)
2. A wizard did it. This bears repeating because of how fucking lame it is.
3. Instead of actually answering anything at all, they just transferred all the questions to Knotty Mommy Hair the Witch and her Magic Cave. Nothing was answered. Not even Smokey's fucking name.
4. A wizard fucking did it.
5. The reason nothing was answered? Once again, it's because of Knotty Mommy Hair and her Magic Cave: "All questions just lead to more questions, so stop asking! Nyeh! And if you can't tell, I'm actually talking to you, audience, not MommyI'mAboutToMurder!"
6. A. Wizard. Fucking. Did. It.
7. Jacob turns out to a mentally retarded simpleton who's explanation to Richard bears no semblance to anything that happened in this episode. Smokey is the one who's pro-humanity (though distrustful of them) and Jacob is the one who wants nothing to do with them, which doesn't bear any semblance to anything we've seen in the series to date. Smokey's "fate worse than death" basically just made him into a superpowered version of what he was to begin with (ooh, so horrible for him... now he's still stuck on the island AND has super powers! sob sob!). And the boat-crashed survivors were apparently suprageniuses extraordinaire compared to the Dharma Initiative in that they not only discovered all these sources through primitive techniques, but mastered the principles of how to use it.
8. Oh, and a WIZARD FUCKING DID IT. Arrrgggghhhh.
1. A wizard did it. Literally. Knotty Mommy Hair was shown to be a witch casting a spell to make Jacob magical like her, and the source of their power is a magic cave with a glowy golden light that permeates us all. (I bet the wine she gave him was filled with midichlorians!)
2. A wizard did it. This bears repeating because of how fucking lame it is.
3. Instead of actually answering anything at all, they just transferred all the questions to Knotty Mommy Hair the Witch and her Magic Cave. Nothing was answered. Not even Smokey's fucking name.
4. A wizard fucking did it.
5. The reason nothing was answered? Once again, it's because of Knotty Mommy Hair and her Magic Cave: "All questions just lead to more questions, so stop asking! Nyeh! And if you can't tell, I'm actually talking to you, audience, not MommyI'mAboutToMurder!"
6. A. Wizard. Fucking. Did. It.
7. Jacob turns out to a mentally retarded simpleton who's explanation to Richard bears no semblance to anything that happened in this episode. Smokey is the one who's pro-humanity (though distrustful of them) and Jacob is the one who wants nothing to do with them, which doesn't bear any semblance to anything we've seen in the series to date. Smokey's "fate worse than death" basically just made him into a superpowered version of what he was to begin with (ooh, so horrible for him... now he's still stuck on the island AND has super powers! sob sob!). And the boat-crashed survivors were apparently suprageniuses extraordinaire compared to the Dharma Initiative in that they not only discovered all these sources through primitive techniques, but mastered the principles of how to use it.
8. Oh, and a WIZARD FUCKING DID IT. Arrrgggghhhh.
I'm a little fuzzy on your stance on the wizard issue.
And I don't suppose that it occured to you that, during the hundreds of years since the events in this episode, Jacob may have changed his mind and learned more about the island? Or does that kind of rational thinking get in the way of your pissy little rant?
Yeah, because being an immortal evil smoke monster, who can not leave the island, probably doesn't know love or friendship anymore, and is destined to live out that existence for eternity, is such a fucking gift.
Your simplistic interpretation of what happened notwithstanding, get over it.
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This has been used fairly often in big mythology/background episodes, though it's always come with a framing device. Desmond has had it twice in Flashes Before Your Eyes and Happily Ever After, Michael had it in Meet Kevin Johnson, Richard had it in Ab Aerterno....
But yeah, it's a little weird they didn't return to the present, even at the end.
I find this episode hard to rate as well. I wasn't blown away, but I wasn't by Richard's episode either. I prefer the episodes that build on characters we already know. I enjoy The Constant, but it wouldn't mean nearly as much without all of the Desmond episodes preceding it. That ending is the very definition of payoff. I also like Ji Yeon, cheap Jin flashbacks aside, because it was a really nice payoff to the whole "Sun has an affair" story and really showed how far Jin had come since he was an overbearing husband in season one.
These mythology episodes feel more like an establishing of context for the actual good stuff. Knowing this stuff about MiB, Jacob, the Island, etc. will help give more meaning to things that have happened so far in the season and will happen in the finale, but they don't mean a whole lot on their own because we don't care about these people as much.
Yeah, I mean, she was obviously a witch, not wizard. Wizards wear pointy purple hats.
Yeah, the lack of context was really the weird thing for me. Again, it's a "complaint," not a complaint.
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