Maybe those crewmen simply *chose* to salute of their own free will? I mean...it's Robau, after all.
Why no USS Kelvin novel yet?
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Maybe those crewmen simply *chose* to salute of their own free will? I mean...it's Robau, after all.
A little less time worrying about protocol, and a little more time refining hand-to-hand skills, and he might've avoided that spear through his chest. Just sayin'. 
Kinda puts a kink in the notion that he's a major badass, don't it?
If the Kelvin gets a novel, the Grissom should as well. 
A little less time worrying about protocol, and a little more time refining hand-to-hand skills, and he might've avoided that spear through his chest. Just sayin'.
He was unarmed and surrounded by hostile Romulans. No room for escape or self-defense.
And like I said, there's no evidence that Robau *ordered* those crewmen to salute him at all times. They could have chosen to do it.
^ Relax, dude. Joke.
yeah i know you were partly joking and i need to go and see again to make sure but..
i think the crew who did it were younger and seemed to yeah do it more out of respect then real protocol.
^ Sorry, it was just my military side coming out. It's one thing if you're standing around shooting the shit and an officer walks by; yeah, you straighten up and offer a greeting/salute. But that doesn't apply when people are actually working, particularly if they're working during an emergency situation.
I just thought it was goofy, given the situation, but I also figured it was a nod to "The Cage," where you see some members doing something similar when Pike walks past them when leaving the bridge, etc.
I just thought it was goofy, given the situation, but I also figured it was a nod to "The Cage," where you see some members doing something similar when Pike walks past them when leaving the bridge, etc.
There aren't many precedents for ST novels watering down canonical Starfleet tech to fit novel continuity. Why worry?
As for the 800+ people, I always imagined the ship was transplanting a group of colonists, so who knows what the number of crewmembers actually was.
Neither do I think the Kelvin looks more high-tech than TOS. It had transparent plastic flaps hanging in the shuttle airlock, lots of grime and smoke everywhere... and uniforms that seemed to be a sensible transition from ENT to "The Cage".
The TOS movie bridge (aka TNG battle bridge) was tiny? 'Cos wasn't that the set being used for the "Stargazer" bridge in "The Battle"?
Indeed. Just because the production technology for executing the look of the sets is more advanced doesn't mean that the technology of the actual in-universe ships is more advanced. The TOS bridge surely had the capability to display the same kind of sophisticated graphics that the Kelvin bridge did; it's just that 1960s technology couldn't really show it in detail and it was left to us to fill in the blanks with our imaginations.
Yes, as I said above. However, the battle bridge/Stargazer configuration is smaller, since the front half of the set is replaced with a nearer viewscreen and a pair of flat wall segments containing extra doors.
Still, I think it would be reasonably large to someone actually standing in it. The apparent size of sets in TV shows and movies is often misleading. For instance, the TNG bridge looked much roomier than the TOS bridge but was actually about the same size.
I will admit that when the Battle Bridge/Stargazer bridge was redressed as the 1701-C, Hathaway, Bozeman and Gambit Pirate Ship (Arr!) bridges (I know it was other rooms too) it seemed much bigger. I guess it was replacing the back wall with large TOS-style perimeter consoles and cranking up the lighting that did it.
"Worry" is a little harsh. It's more like nitpicking, I guess. The closed-minded mindset of "that's not how it was done in the past so it must be wrong" that so many fans have annoys the hell out of me. The obvious example that has drawn me into far too many utterly stupid arguments is that STXI made the Federation ships much bigger than they used to be without much too much reason. I don't see it as a problem, since I loved the idea of the mile-long Defender-class ships from Diane Duane's novels and I don't think large windows are a crime. Others consider it blasphemy of the highest order.
There was a similar reaction to the "high-tech" NX-01, which resulted in the recent Enterprise novels offering a BS reason for the (percieved) ENT-TOS tech downgrade when none was required. I'd hate for something similar to happen again.
You're nitpicking nits that haven't even been picked yet!
I can't think of any examples where the novelists have done this.
You must hang out in some weird places.
If they had not addressed it at all, you can bet your life that a group - at least as vocal as their opposition - would be saying, "How can you ignore, and not even not address, that issue?"
This.
Ironic, really, since there wasn't supposed to even BE a Kelvin. Originally the ship that was destroyed was going to be the TOS Enterprise, commanded by Robert April.
That was ordered changed (Enterprise became the Kelvin, and April became Robau) because TPTB wouldn't allow an Enterprise to be destroyed.
That was ordered changed (Enterprise became the Kelvin, and April became Robau) because TPTB wouldn't allow an Enterprise to be destroyed.
Mr. Laser Beam said:
You mean another one? We've had two go up in smoke, after all. Three, if you count the "C" from "Yesterday's Enterprise."
I never heard that bit of trivia, but I thought they originally were going to call the Kelvin the Iowa, to play with the "mythology" of Jim Kirk being born in Iowa. Though, I could see somebody saying that blowing up the TOS Enterprise might be "going too far."
I find that claim very fishy. After all, "TPTB" means the producers currently in charge of the franchise, and that means Abrams and his "Supreme Court," the ones who were developing the story in the first place. Some fans seem to think there's some department at Paramount or CBS whose sole responsibility is to regulate Star Trek canon and place restrictions on the showrunners or filmmakers, but that's just wrong. And given how many changes the "Court" made in the movie, it's clear that nobody was imposing restrictions on them.
There's also the fact, as Dayton said, that past "PTB" have "allowed" starships named Enterprise to be destroyed in feature films twice before, plus once on television (implicitly, in "Yesterday's Enterprise"). So the claim that it would be forbidden this time doesn't wash.
I don't think there's any proof of that April/1701 story at all outside a mysterious post at IMDB. It's never come up in interviews with Bad Robot AFAIK - and plans to blow up the TOS Enterprise are the sort of thing fans would question them about.
Although if it were true, I wonder if April would have been Diane Carey's British version, seeing as George based on her version? Would he have worn a sweater over his uniform?
Whatever the plans were to begin with, there was a USS Kelvin in the finished film. And it's the finished film that matters.
Although if it were true, I wonder if April would have been Diane Carey's British version, seeing as George based on her version? Would he have worn a sweater over his uniform?
Whatever the plans were to begin with, there was a USS Kelvin in the finished film. And it's the finished film that matters.
what annoys me, is Robau was supposed to be a badass and (notwithstanding all the BS in the XI forum) he's so totally not.
if he were REALLY badass, when Nero called him and said he wanted to talk, Robau should've said, "You just came out of nowhere and shot up my ship with no provocation, fuck you pal!" and blown Nero to hell and gone.
now that's badass.
and would've saved 801 people's lives INCLUDING Jim Kirk's, saved the ship AND not wasted two hours of movie.
if he were REALLY badass, when Nero called him and said he wanted to talk, Robau should've said, "You just came out of nowhere and shot up my ship with no provocation, fuck you pal!" and blown Nero to hell and gone.
now that's badass.
and would've saved 801 people's lives INCLUDING Jim Kirk's, saved the ship AND not wasted two hours of movie.