The only place I've ever seen Robau referred to as a "bad ass" is here on the boards. I figured people were just doing it for fun, ala the Chuck Norris/Jack Bauer "facts" and such. No harm, no foul.
Why no USS Kelvin novel yet?
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Faran Tahir said in an interview in 2008, back when all we knew was that he was playing a "Federation Captain", that his character was "badass".
The legend began long before the film was even released
The legend began long before the film was even released
^ All I can figure was at that point in time, they'd not yet given him the script page(s) depicting his ultimate fate
On this being "the ship on which Kirk's dad and mom served", do we know Winona Kirk actually collected Starfleet pay? While Picard was the first skipper to tell the camera that he was uneasy with having kids aboard, there's no evidence previous skippers didn't have civilians to worry about, too. They just didn't complain!
On the issue of the crew saluting Robau, I'd say it was less related to protocol than to the fact that they were watching a dead man walking. I mean, yeah, we don't generally know how much the commanding officers tell their crews about what's going on - but surprisingly often we find the crew aware of the situation even though there has been no explicit PA message. For all we know, Nero forced his message into all the receivers of the Kelvin - and even if he didn't, word might have traveled that Robau was marching into the clutches of a murderous madman in an undefeatable warship. His death might not have been certain, but it was pretty damn likely...
Did it, now? The Kelvin doesn't appear particularly large when compared with "absolutes" like the blown-out crewmember or the shuttles. If the 2250s ships are built of the same components, rather than lookalikes that are bigger, they don't seem much bigger than the TOS norm, either. (The size of the new Enterprise seems variable, and probably shouldn't be mixed in this...)
Didn't the story go that the ship destined to be Jim Kirk's birthplace and George Kirk's grave was going to be called the Iowa, for reasons obvious to fans? At least some of the concept art is labeled thus.
Timo Saloniemi
On the issue of the crew saluting Robau, I'd say it was less related to protocol than to the fact that they were watching a dead man walking. I mean, yeah, we don't generally know how much the commanding officers tell their crews about what's going on - but surprisingly often we find the crew aware of the situation even though there has been no explicit PA message. For all we know, Nero forced his message into all the receivers of the Kelvin - and even if he didn't, word might have traveled that Robau was marching into the clutches of a murderous madman in an undefeatable warship. His death might not have been certain, but it was pretty damn likely...
Did it, now? The Kelvin doesn't appear particularly large when compared with "absolutes" like the blown-out crewmember or the shuttles. If the 2250s ships are built of the same components, rather than lookalikes that are bigger, they don't seem much bigger than the TOS norm, either. (The size of the new Enterprise seems variable, and probably shouldn't be mixed in this...)
Didn't the story go that the ship destined to be Jim Kirk's birthplace and George Kirk's grave was going to be called the Iowa, for reasons obvious to fans? At least some of the concept art is labeled thus.
Timo Saloniemi
I think the Kelvin is made from larger versions of TOS components (as are the fleet at spacedock), similar to the way TOS shuttles have identical warp nacelles to the mothership, albeit much smaller. Who says there can't be bigger versions of the components the old Enterprise had?
Remember that the bridge is just one room at the front of the dome, and that are corridors behind, and the (power plant) engineering areas were enourmous, in some shots bigger even than the cargo bay shot in TMP. Thus IMO it has to be bigger than the old Enterprise.
The size of the Kelvin according to the Bluray is 457m. The "Art of" book says 665m. The original design of the Iowa looks about the same as the Tech Manual Destroyer. The CG of the Kelvin itself was probably a random size in every shot
Of course the size of the ship is fairly pointless outside a size-comparison chart, and utterly totally no relevance to a novel set on the Kelvin.
Sorry for veering off-topic. STXI spaceship sizes are my weakness.
Remember that the bridge is just one room at the front of the dome, and that are corridors behind, and the (power plant) engineering areas were enourmous, in some shots bigger even than the cargo bay shot in TMP. Thus IMO it has to be bigger than the old Enterprise.
The size of the Kelvin according to the Bluray is 457m. The "Art of" book says 665m. The original design of the Iowa looks about the same as the Tech Manual Destroyer. The CG of the Kelvin itself was probably a random size in every shot
Of course the size of the ship is fairly pointless outside a size-comparison chart, and utterly totally no relevance to a novel set on the Kelvin.
Sorry for veering off-topic. STXI spaceship sizes are my weakness.
If they'd blown up the original Enterprise, there would've been marches on Paramount.
And I'm certain that the fine folks at Paramount knew that.
And I'm certain that the fine folks at Paramount knew that.
why since it had already been done.
though i can see where with changes with powers that be over the years things change.
But in the version we got, the "original Enterprise" was never even built. Instead, a different, bigger one was built in its place, and over a decade later. I don't see how blowing it up and replacing it would be worse than having it never exist at all.
And of course that's another reason this rumor about the Kelvin being originally intended to be April's Enterprise is very probably bogus. The Kelvin was destroyed when Jim Kirk was born, and that was over a decade before the Prime Enterprise is generally accepted to have been launched. Nothing about this claim makes sense.
And of course that's another reason this rumor about the Kelvin being originally intended to be April's Enterprise is very probably bogus. The Kelvin was destroyed when Jim Kirk was born, and that was over a decade before the Prime Enterprise is generally accepted to have been launched. Nothing about this claim makes sense.
But of course we have no idea when the original was launched. "Generally accepted" means nothing.
How about The Anthology of Cameo Federation Starships, with stories set on the Kelvin, Reliant, Grissom, Saratoga (x2), Enterprise's -B and -C, Columbia and (Captain Stiles') Excelsior?
And about the TOS 1701 getting blown up instead of the Kelvin: Would OTT TOS obsessives have been more upset that 1. Built too early, 2. Get's blown up or 3. That they'd give it a modernized look so it doesn't look exactly like it did in "The Cage"?
And about the TOS 1701 getting blown up instead of the Kelvin: Would OTT TOS obsessives have been more upset that 1. Built too early, 2. Get's blown up or 3. That they'd give it a modernized look so it doesn't look exactly like it did in "The Cage"?
...But the dome sits down low in a relatively broad superstructure, easily allowing for that corridor maze even if the actual bridge is only as wide as the prominent exterior dome is wide.
Higher, perhaps; but then again, there's the neck structure to consider. And in TMP, we learn the neck in fact does relate to engineering somehow; this may have been true of the TOS era as well.
The size of the Kelvin according to the Bluray is 457m. The "Art of" book says 665m. The original design of the Iowa looks about the same as the Tech Manual Destroyer. The CG of the Kelvin itself was probably a random size in every shot
True. But it's pretty easy to say that the Kelvin was just a Saladin destroyer with an extra dorsal pod, and with a somewhat shorter neck for the somewhat fatter old (pre-refit?) nacelle. That is, a total length of about 250 meters would work just fine, too.
Which sort of means they could have built her (but not necessarily named her Enterprise, and apparently not registered NCC-1701), then built a bigger one a decade later. Or they could have hastened the schedule for the TOS ship, completing her in 2236 already and launching her as the Enterprise (NCC-1596 or so), and she would have had plenty of interesting adventures before being lost somehow and her name appropriated by the bigger ship.
So, even if we "accept the accepted" and have the TOS ship launched in the 2240s, there's room for an April-commanded Enterprise to be Jim Kirk's birthplace and George Kirk's grave in the STXI continuity. I doubt the writers really ever considered that, though. But I guess it's possible. The idea of opening the movie as we saw it happen is likely to have been an early concept, and they may have toyed with using various known skippers there, such as April or Pike, or perhaps one of the obscure Kirk patrons or senior pals such as Garrovick or Mallory or Wesley or Mendez or Stone or whatever. And they may have been toying with using a number of familiar ships, too, or considering cute in-jokes such as USS Iowa.
Timo Saloniemi
I wouldn't mind seeing that. We've got something similar going on right now with IDW's Captain's Log miniseries. And then there was KRAD's The Brave and the Bold duology, which teamed up the TV crews with the crews of guest ships, but were told from the perspective of the guest ships and captains.
I always figured for the "Boba Fett Effect": Small time character, has a few key moments with a main character or event and this niche fanbase grows up around the character cause of the "mystery".
It'll really be a issue when Rabau shows up in the third movie, working for a Klang The Hutt, and gets punked by a blind Spock.
Yes, as the divergence of the Prime timeline occurred with the appearance of Nero and the destruction of the Kelvin, whether or not the Kelvin seems on the large size for a ship of that era (do we even know how big the Kelvin is or other ships of the 2230s) is irrelevant as there must be a USS Kelvin of that design and build in the prime timeline.
Who says newer ships have to be bigger? If anything, I'd think that advancing technology might allow ships to get smaller over time, to fit more power and capability into a smaller volume.
Besides, we never saw any Starfleet ship classes other than the Constitution, so we have no way of knowing how typical that class was. There's no actual evidence to rule out the existence of something like the Kelvin, merely supposition. And it's just as easy to choose suppositions that do allow it to exist.