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Avatar is stupid

Why would being reminded of an earlier film mean that earlier film was unusually popular? :confused:

EEK - I had close a pop-up ad for Avatar to finish typing this post! :lol: :klingon:

Anyway, it was nice to see Roger Dean's record album art brought to life like that. I wonder if Cameron paid him for it.
 
The Turok Rider is part of the Might Whitey trope: White person is adopted into a primitive culture, and due to the awesome powers of white genetics quickly becomes better at the primitive culture's specific skills than any of the natives and naturally becomes their leader. The story line was very popular during the colonial era, giving us Tarzan of the Apes, The Last of the Mohicans, etc.

Mighty Whitey at TV tropes.org
 
By that time RDA will have moved on to capturing a xenomorph.

Just out of curiosity, has Cameron ever given any indication as whether Avatar takes place (unofficially) in the same universe as Aliens? The heavily corporatized spacefaring civilization of Earth and Syd Mead-inspired military/aerospace hardware design aesthetic are virtually identical.

SLR

Interesting thought. And probably the only thing that could redeem Avatard in my eyes.
 
So much for "Avatar is stupid" - its sales are breaking new records, so people obviously disagree with this sentiment;)...

*cross post from Blu-Ray thread*

http://www.deadline.com/2010/04/more-huge-sales-for-avatar-2d-dvd/

20th Century Fox Home Entertainment today announced that James Cameron's AVATAR 2D flew off shelves to become the fastest-selling Blu-ray of all time after just four days in U.S, and Canadian stores. Excluding rental sales, it sold 2.7 million Blu-ray units in North America, shredding Warner Bros' The Dark Knight's Blu-ray sales record of 2.5 million units total. That means Avatar 2D in 4 days beat what Dark Knight did over 1 1/2 years. Retail sales of both AVATAR 2D's Blu-ray and DVD discs have exceeded 6.7 million units since its launch last Thursday, on pace to be the best-selling title in recent history.
 
The Turok Rider is part of the Might Whitey trope: White person is adopted into a primitive culture, and due to the awesome powers of white genetics quickly becomes better at the primitive culture's specific skills than any of the natives and naturally becomes their leader. The story line was very popular during the colonial era, giving us Tarzan of the Apes, The Last of the Mohicans, etc.

Mighty Whitey at TV tropes.org

I'm quite familiar with the trope, and I don't agree. He wasn't better at being a rider than any Na'vi, he just approached it differently due to being human and thus seeing things in a different way. Any Na'vi could have just decided to go out and do what he did- but they didn't, because in Na'vi culture a mount has to choose you as you choose it. Sully "cheated"- he approached it the human way.
 
The Turok Rider is part of the Might Whitey trope: White person is adopted into a primitive culture, and due to the awesome powers of white genetics quickly becomes better at the primitive culture's specific skills than any of the natives and naturally becomes their leader. The story line was very popular during the colonial era, giving us Tarzan of the Apes, The Last of the Mohicans, etc.

Mighty Whitey at TV tropes.org

I'm quite familiar with the trope, and I don't agree. He wasn't better at being a rider than any Na'vi, he just approached it differently due to being human and thus seeing things in a different way. Any Na'vi could have just decided to go out and do what he did- but they didn't, because in Na'vi culture a mount has to choose you as you choose it. Sully "cheated"- he approached it the human way.

AKA Mighty Whitey.

The one that isn't Mighty Whitey as far as I'm concerned, is Tarzan. Tarzan didn't arrive in the jungle a grown man and got better at stuff than the natives in no time at all. Tarzan grew up in the jungle, raised by gorillas since he was a boy. It's actually the Romulus and Remus trope; the greatest of men are raised by animals, not Mighty Whitey.

So much for "Avatar is stupid" - its sales are breaking new records, so people obviously disagree with this sentiment;)...

Yeah, Avatar is still stupid. Whether or not something is popular has nothing to do with whether or not it is stupid or not.
 
So much for "Avatar is stupid" - its sales are breaking new records, so people obviously disagree with this sentiment;)...

*cross post from Blu-Ray thread*

http://www.deadline.com/2010/04/more-huge-sales-for-avatar-2d-dvd/

20th Century Fox Home Entertainment today announced that James Cameron's AVATAR 2D flew off shelves to become the fastest-selling Blu-ray of all time after just four days in U.S, and Canadian stores. Excluding rental sales, it sold 2.7 million Blu-ray units in North America, shredding Warner Bros' The Dark Knight's Blu-ray sales record of 2.5 million units total. That means Avatar 2D in 4 days beat what Dark Knight did over 1 1/2 years. Retail sales of both AVATAR 2D's Blu-ray and DVD discs have exceeded 6.7 million units since its launch last Thursday, on pace to be the best-selling title in recent history.

Why would the unwashed masses liking something mean that thing wasn't stupid. People like American Idol, for god's sake!
 
Perhaps because I saw the film on dvd at home rather than in 3D at the theatre is why I focused more on the story and its mechanics. On the big screen I could see how many could be easily distracted by the larger-than-life visual spectacle.
Gee, 99.87% of the discussions I've found online harp on the unoriginality of the story.

I saw it opening day just for the experience of the thing, 'cause I'd never seen a 3D movie before... and it was the most amazing thing I'd ever encountered in a movie theater!
Never cared for one second if the story was lacking.
Everybody in the theater applauded at the end (same as when I saw it a month later!), and a bunch of us (all strangers) sat around after the lights came up, discussing what we'd just seen. Not a single one of them expressed disappointment with the story; they all had awed expressions on their faces.
I want to see it a third time in 3D when it gets re-released in November, but I don't EVER want to see it on a small screen, even if it was in 3D, and I sure as Hell don't want to see it in 2D, regardless of the size of the screen!

I was 8 years old when Steve McQueen's Le Mans came out (one of the first non-kiddie movies I was taken to), and I've been obsessed with it ever since, because it sucked me into that environment like nothing else I've seen. (Wore out one DVD player from running it on "Loop" for about 2 weeks!)
Critics panned it upon release, saying that it had "no story", but now it's widely considered the greatest racing film ever made. (Of course, it nearly destroyed McQueen.)
 
Yes. Because not everyone may agree that your points are logical, or if they are, they are pertinent, relevant or lacking in picciune qualities.

Throwing the word "logic" around doesn't give you an unnassailable fortress where your opinion is invulnerble and tatamount to fact.
 
By that time RDA will have moved on to capturing a xenomorph.

Just out of curiosity, has Cameron ever given any indication as whether Avatar takes place (unofficially) in the same universe as Aliens? The heavily corporatized spacefaring civilization of Earth and Syd Mead-inspired military/aerospace hardware design aesthetic are virtually identical.

SLR
Can't believe none of you thought to actually post this...
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXraSkgssFk[/yt]
 
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The Turok Rider is part of the Might Whitey trope: White person is adopted into a primitive culture, and due to the awesome powers of white genetics quickly becomes better at the primitive culture's specific skills than any of the natives and naturally becomes their leader. The story line was very popular during the colonial era, giving us Tarzan of the Apes, The Last of the Mohicans, etc.

Mighty Whitey at TV tropes.org

I'm quite familiar with the trope, and I don't agree. He wasn't better at being a rider than any Na'vi, he just approached it differently due to being human and thus seeing things in a different way. Any Na'vi could have just decided to go out and do what he did- but they didn't, because in Na'vi culture a mount has to choose you as you choose it. Sully "cheated"- he approached it the human way.

AKA Mighty Whitey.

The one that isn't Mighty Whitey as far as I'm concerned, is Tarzan. Tarzan didn't arrive in the jungle a grown man and got better at stuff than the natives in no time at all.

As I said, I don't see how you can claim Sully was better at riding- he clearly wasn't. He was simply different in his approach due to a different cultural outlook. Any Na'vi could have done what he did- it isn't about ability or skill, it's about ways of thinking. Sully thinks differently, because he's a different species. As far as I can see, it neither presents the human way or the Na'vi way as superior, only that when the two are intertwined, you get results.

Unless you're claiming the movie is presenting human thinking as superior to that of the Na'vi? That Sully's "naturally superior" human thought processes grant him excellence to teach the natives their own tricks, AKA Mighty Whitey? So now it's the humans who are being presented as "better" is it? Make up your minds...is the film stupidly straightforward for presenting "natives good, white man bad" (though, again, why people insist on the "white man" idea I don't know, because tribes and nations of all colours have engaged in imperialistic resource-grabbing and attacks on less "advanced" tribes) or is it in fact presenting the humans as racially superior?
 
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So much for "Avatar is stupid" - its sales are breaking new records, so people obviously disagree with this sentiment;)...

*cross post from Blu-Ray thread*

http://www.deadline.com/2010/04/more-huge-sales-for-avatar-2d-dvd/

20th Century Fox Home Entertainment today announced that James Cameron's AVATAR 2D flew off shelves to become the fastest-selling Blu-ray of all time after just four days in U.S, and Canadian stores. Excluding rental sales, it sold 2.7 million Blu-ray units in North America, shredding Warner Bros' The Dark Knight's Blu-ray sales record of 2.5 million units total. That means Avatar 2D in 4 days beat what Dark Knight did over 1 1/2 years. Retail sales of both AVATAR 2D's Blu-ray and DVD discs have exceeded 6.7 million units since its launch last Thursday, on pace to be the best-selling title in recent history.

Why would the unwashed masses liking something mean that thing wasn't stupid. People like American Idol, for god's sake!


But on the other hand, whenever something is popular with the "unwashed masses", some people begin sneering at it out of reflex in an attempt to demonstrate how "sophisticated" they are. If it's popular it must equal dumb, because most people are dumb, aren't they? And I'm not dumb- of course- so naturally I do not like this film. It's stupid, unlike myself.

And, no, before anyone says anything, I'm not claiming everyone who found the film "stupid" is doing this, only that it's reasonably common.
 
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So much for "Avatar is stupid" - its sales are breaking new records, so people obviously disagree with this sentiment;)...

*cross post from Blu-Ray thread*

http://www.deadline.com/2010/04/more-huge-sales-for-avatar-2d-dvd/

Why would the unwashed masses liking something mean that thing wasn't stupid. People like American Idol, for god's sake!


But on the other hand, whenever something is popular with the "unwashed masses", some people begin sneering at it out of reflex in an attempt to demonstrate how "sophisticated" they are. If it's popular it must equal dumb, because most people are dumb, aren't they? And I'm not dumb- of course- so naturally I do not like this film. It's stupid, unlike myself.

And, no, before anyone says anything, I'm not claiming everyone who found the film "stupid" is doing this, only that it's reasonably common.

It's like Trek XI coming out all over again :)
 
Unless you're claiming the movie is presenting human thinking as superior to that of the Na'vi? That Sully's "naturally superior" human thought processes grant him excellence to teach the natives their own tricks, AKA Mighty Whitey? So now it's the humans who are being presented as "better" is it?

In that case maybe they should have called the film Flight of the Na'vigator. :lol:
 
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