Star Wars or Star Trek

[RJDiogenes]

Real Star Trek was far and away the better one.

When it comes to nuTrek, Star Wars has the upper hand, only because it was supposed to be goofy and mindless from the start.

 

[Too Much Fun]

I'll never understand why people are so sour about those Ewoks. Those are one of the only things I like in that stupid franchise. So they were cute? So what? I don't see how they negatively impacted that movie they were in at all.

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

I'll never understand why people are so sour about those Ewoks. Those are one of the only things I like in that stupid franchise. So they were cute? So what? I don't see how they negatively impacted that movie they were in at all.

I think probably the silliness of a bunch of walking teddy bears defeating the best troops of a galaxy spanning empire in a fight.

 

[Lt. Trull]

lucas obviously read the books by h bean piper little fuzzies and wanted to include them in his movies...

 

[broberfett]

I'll never understand why people are so sour about those Ewoks. Those are one of the only things I like in that stupid franchise. So they were cute? So what? I don't see how they negatively impacted that movie they were in at all.

I think probably the silliness of a bunch of walking teddy bears defeating the best troops of a galaxy spanning empire in a fight.

That's the reason. Man, talk about sucky writing(still better than a Trek movie though. Insurrection was so bad).

 

[Too Much Fun]

Hey, appearances can be deceiving. Sometimes it's refreshing to go against expectations like that. So they aren't huge, badass warriors with bulging biceps. Doesn't mean they can't fight. Robert Patrick looked like a skinny wimp in "Terminator 2", but he was still the ultimate killer machine.

To be honest, I found all of the Star Wars movies forgettable (except "Revenge of the Sith" because it was so unforgettably bad in acting, special effects, and writing), but a friend of mine agrees that the Ewoks are unfairly maligned and I take his word for it when he says the death of one of them is really underrated as a truly touching moment. I like their design, they had no annoying dialogue, and I thought their combat prowess was a surprisingly original idea.

 

[zakkrusz]

Both are excellent. However, I'd say Trek was better for the simple fact that it's a larger franchise.

 

[EnsignRicky]

I like both fairly equally. Not being at all a sports fan, it's probably the closest I can relate to the simple joy of looking forward to "the game". It all comes down to which one is in season.
Now, where did I leave my Clone Wars jersey?

 

[Broccoli]

I think probably the silliness of a bunch of walking teddy bears defeating the best troops of a galaxy spanning empire in a fight.

The best troops who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door?

 

[Gojira]

I like both but I am a bigger Star Trek fan.

 

[Warped9]

Star Trek, by far.

I didn't see the first Star Wars movie until The Empire Strikes Back came out some years later. I later saw Return Of The Jedi. The first two films were fun in an okay way, but I didn't see much in them and certainly no deep meaning like many people have attributed to them.

I haven't seen The Phantom Menace, but I have seen the last two. Meh. Gorgeous films visually, but they lack something.

Overall I'd say ST and SW are on par in terms of contemporary materiel. But when it comes to substance and depth and sheer entertainment value on many levels then I give the nod to Star Trek TOS and some of the TNG episodes.

Real Star Trek was far and away the better one.

When it comes to nuTrek, Star Wars has the upper hand, only because it was supposed to be goofy and mindless from the start.

This.

 

[RandyS]

Star Trek, by far.

I didn't see the first Star Wars movie until The Empire Strikes Back came out some years later. I later saw Return Of The Jedi. The first two films were fun in an okay way, but I didn't see much in them and certainly no deep meaning like many people have attributed to them.

There is no deep meaning in Star Wars. They're action movies made for no other reason than to show off special effects and sell toys. They are fun though.

As far as Star Trek goes, there's no deep meaning there either. The fans blew that WAAAY out of proportion. That's why Shatner looks down his nose at us, and the other actors such as Stewart are embarrased to be associated with it. And why writers like Ron Moore states repeatedly that he tried to find new ways to set the "Star Trek philosophy on it's head".

We fans are the ones that attach "deep meaning" to these things. It's no wonder non fans look down at us.

 

[Cryogenic]

You can't directly compare them. All together, Star Trek is a behemoth of a franchise -- for the better and the worse. It's had many people with their fingers in the pie and is spectacularly uneven and shaky as a result. Arguably, with the exception of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, it has never aspired to the metatextual depth of the Star Wars films, either. What people don't get about Star Wars is that it is the most avant-garde experiment in the history of cinema. Everything -- from the films, to the marketing, to the toys, posters, books, etc., even the universe itself -- is implicated as part of the essence of the art. You can say that this is true of Star Trek, but it's not as layered. Star Wars isn't just a set of action-adventure films. The whole thing is also a devastating satire/critique of human culture. This will only be understood -- if it's understood -- about a hundred years from now. Everyone is too close to the system to see the bigger picture (rather like the Jedi in the Prequel Trilogy, actually). Lucas is a genius on a par with Shakespeare and Mozart.

 

[RodrigoBrowncoat]

Star Trek

 

[Temis the Vorta]

This is an interesting question that I have never considered/come across before.

Hmm, I must give it some serious thought.

Yeah how could we have missed it all these years? OMG! We've never done Hottest Character or Who's The Best Trek Captain either. We're slacking!

There is no deep meaning in Star Wars.

Oh but there could be (and maybe there is, outside the movies - I've only read one of the novels, the first one that was set between ANH and ESB.) You have what appears to be a liberal democracy uncomfortably co-existing with a cabal of warrior monks whose claim to know "the mind of God" is much stronger than we've ever seen on Planet Earth - their ability to tap into the Force must come from something. So a theocratic regime would have much more legitimacy in the Star Wars cosmos than in our own. How do you reconcile the two? I'm not convinced that you can.

That's pretty juicy stuff. Too bad Lucas is more interested in making movies that are marketing vehicles for kids' toys and video games.

As far as Star Trek goes, there's no deep meaning there either.

Yes there is, in TOS and DS9. Maybe some in TNG, but it's far too easy and one-sided to count as particularly deep. You gotta work for your meaning harder than Picard just giving the aliens a nannyish lecture of the week. VOY and ENT, forget about it.

Very mixed bag, but the deeper meaning is in there somewheres, and someday I hope to see it again. It will have to wait for TV, though. Summer popcorn movies are inherently anti-meaning - there just isn't room to do all the zap-pow and soapy character drama that people expect and have a substantial message w/n the space of two measly hours.

Star Wars isn't just a set of action-adventure films. The whole thing is also a devastating satire/critique of human culture.

If by satire, you mean the fact that such utterly mindless crap has made billions, I wholeheartedly agree. That's about as devastating a critique of human culture as I can imagine.

 

[Kegg]

Star Trek. Because it's a Star Trek board and the show is rather talky - whether you think it's deep or not, it'll definitely go on talking about stuff that may be construed as such.

Star Wars isn't just a set of action-adventure films. The whole thing is also a devastating satire/critique of human culture.

If by satire, you mean the fact that such utterly mindless crap has made billions, I wholeheartedly agree. That's about as devastating a critique of human culture as I can imagine.

Presumably.

 

[Skywalker]

Star Wars, obvs.

Star Trek. More substance...less flash.*










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*this statement does not include most of Voyager, all of Enterprise or the movie titled "Star Trek".

Sorry, if we have to suffer the prequels, then you have to suffer Voyager and the first two seasons of Enterprise.

 

[Training]

Trek all day and all night. Star wars when you break it down is just the Rise and Fall and Rise of the Skywalkers. Along with the fall of the Jedi and the Republic. Add in some unnecessary special effects (it is mean to be special) a romantic storyline and some battle scenes. Voila there you have it.

Trek for me is something that is deep. I can pop off DS9 watch an episode that doesn't tell me what to think and I'll still think about it after I watch it. Nor the Battle to the Strong, In The Pale moonlight,Far Beyond the Stars just some episodes that have more meaning for me then all six films of Star Wars.

But I like both franchises. I just happen to think Trek is superior.

 

[ProtoAvatar]

Lucas is a genius on a par with Shakespeare and Mozart.

Stop insulting Shakespeare and Mozart, Crygenic.

 

[The Boy Who Cried Worf]

I think probably the silliness of a bunch of walking teddy bears defeating the best troops of a galaxy spanning empire in a fight.

The best troops who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door?

Well considering that the regular stormtroopers couldn't hit the broad side of the Death Star, that is still an improvement.