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Latest theoretical science is that the LHC can create black holes but they'd be so small and so hot that they will wink out of existence in a fraction of a second. Apparently the Earth would have to be condensed to the size of marble in order to sustain itself as a singularity and, as expressed by many on this site, it's mass and gravitational pull would remain unchanged.
I'm not sure that this helps us to understand how red matter is supposed to work. I suppose it must prevent the collapsing matter from 'evaporating' into its surroundings?
I'm not sure that this helps us to understand how red matter is supposed to work. I suppose it must prevent the collapsing matter from 'evaporating' into its surroundings?
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It could be possible that Red Matter is what the Romulans of the 24th century have always used to create the artificial singularities that power their starships. Which brings up the question of why the Rommies couldn't destroy the supernova themselves. We know they had the technology to create their own miniature black holes. So why did they need Spock to do it for them?
I can't speak for Jarod, but you asking about my personal experience with black holes is a pretty silly thing to say given their nature.
Ok then, tell me how this describes them as caring about science and thinking that their audience is intelligent.
Except for to make things have sense. It didn't have to be a telescope, it could have been any number of things to explain it. Even the theorized Vulcan extrasensory explanation fans have here is better than what Orci called it.
Haha, lol. The fact that you meant this
seriously is actually frightening.
Have you any idea about black holes? Then you should already actually know why that thing shown in the movie is a full blown fantasy creation and not accurate at all. And you wouldn't say Teh Ridiculouz.
Using bad science now will date the films even more rapidly as we learn more about interstellar phenomena. Ironically, TOS proved to be prescient because fans of the show went out of their way to invent the stuff they'd seen. If red matter sucks ass scientifically, and it really does, nobody will ever even try to invent it. That's just not right now is it?
Nah, there's no problem with that kind of stuff. The Nexus doesn't exist either. Time travel, warp speed, beaming, I highly doubt any of that will ever work. If it's fun, why not.
What I hate is when somebody (writer or fan) says stuff shown in the movie is scientifically correct when it clearly is not. I laughed my ass off every time Orci said in interviews that they wrote this script according to current scientific theories. That's maybe what they think they were doing.
Lol - at least a lot of the older Trek stuff really was written based on solid science. The outcomes are pretty much impossible but they had thought the stuff through a bit e.g. heisenberg compensators. It's very odd that as our understanding of science improves, the writers have got sloppier.
That might be indeed true. Don't know about the science in TOS, I think that was sloppy at times, but in TNG they did seem to put some thought into it. At least much more thought than in the new film. I guess all the research Orci did on parallel universes and time travel was The Voyage Home and TNG "Parallels". From the interviews I read, I never got the sense that he actually understands QM and MWI, not to mention black holes, supernovae and how they not endanger the entire galaxy. But yeah, when Spock said "a supernova threatening the entire galaxy", he was obviously speaking of the political threat.
Yeah my first thought was, "A sphincter says what?" but afterwards I assumed that he must have meant political upheaval. Similarly, I never assumed that Delta Vega was meant to be as close to Vulcan as shown in the mind meld scene - for starters Vulcan is a hot desert and Delta Vega is a ball of ice. Earth and Mars are pretty close but visually they are tiny specks of light to each other so Orci is being really dumb if he thinks they could be so different and be right next door. Plus Scotty would have known exactly what was going on and wouldn't have been asking Kirk if he was the delivery boy.
Why did spock need "our fastest ship" in the first place? I've been thinking since I saw the movie that Spock was actually planning to use the slingshot maneuver to make a quick time jump and collapse the star BEFORE it went nova, but Nero followed him through the time warp and--ironically--through the black hole as well.
Not necessarily. I'm totally sure that if and when the LHC discovers some exotic particle that amplifies the gravitational attraction of particles around it, some smartass physcist will call it "red matter" in homage to Star Trek.
Besides, the "big giant gravity vacuum cleaner" model of black holes isn't exactly new to Star Trek or science fiction in general. Even if we learn more about what black holes really are (which I doubt) the sci-fi cliches will never become "dated" because most people know little or nothing about what black holes actually look like except for the artist renderings that appear in science magazines, which are themselves inspired by science fiction anyway.
Which apparently puts him in the same boat as the other 99% of the human race that doesn't really understand QM and MWI. Not that this really bothers me since Orci is a writer, not a physicist (and I'm more than a little skeptical whether or not physicists actually understand it as well as they claim they do).
Considering supernovas have exploded in Star Trek before (hell, even in the REAL WORLD before, as Orci would be able to determine from a simple google search), the obvious implication is that it isn't a normal supernova. It's a supernova "that threatens to destroy the entire galaxy."
I'm not really sure how a black hole vacuum cleaner would work. When they consume matter they eject massive bursts of radiation as a quasar - that would have fried the Romulans as much as a supernova - albeit not ftl I suppose. I think the red matter can't be creating a normal black hole - the jellyfish would have been destroyed regardless of the outcome and the resulting black hole could have had sufficient mass to change conditions in the locality - the intention must have been to channel the excess energy to a pocket dimension of some kind and the whole thing went a bit wrong, resulting in a wormhole through time. It's all a it too vague and unsatisfying for my tastes, although I enjoyed the movie overall.
If the nova was ftl and so dangerous it isn't clear a) how Spock planned to deliver the payload at sublight and b) how Nero managed to arrive at the exact moment said payload was being delivered. Wierd.
If the nova was ftl and so dangerous it isn't clear a) how Spock planned to deliver the payload at sublight and b) how Nero managed to arrive at the exact moment said payload was being delivered. Wierd.
Haha, lol. The fact that you think I did and can't pick up on sarcasm is a little more frightening.
Why haven't you been able to disprove it then?
Yes, of course it was sarcasm. Oh lol.
Oh lol, for fuck's sake, read a book about it, or go to school.
At least those 99% don't claim they understand it.
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What you mean is it can't be creating a REAL black hole. That's what I'm talking about: the red matter creates HOLLYWOOD black holes that function as a giant gravitational vacuum cleaner that simply sucks everything into itself. Real black holes--if they even exist--would be alot more complicated, in fact they're only "holes" to the extent that you can't see the singularity at the center of them.
That part is left vague on purpose, since it would require alot more time and film than the movie could really afford. Again, I mainly theorize that Spock used the slingshot maneuver to destroy the star BEFORE it went Nova and that Nero simply followed him through the maneuver and screwed up his return trajectory. In that case, it may have been their respective attempts to ESCAPE from the black hole that caused their travel further back in time, another Voyage Home style time warp.
Except when they start posting on Star Trek message boards, then all of a sudden everybody's a physicist.
I like the cut of your jib. That sort of makes sense.
I asked you to disprove it. Disprove it, and back it up with fact please.
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