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[Geckothan]

It's called "classic rock" (not rot) because it's classic, and timeless. Most new rock is uninspired and derivative.

 

[J.T.B.]

As for Nirvana, they were basically a synthesis of the 1980s punk rock scene. No Minor Threat, Husker Du, or Black Flag, no Nirvana. However, they were immensely influential, and whether you consider them a good band or not that is certainly a fact.

Don't forget bands like X and The Violent Femmes as well!

And the Minutemen and the Replacements and the Meat Puppets... The American alternative (for lack of a better word) scene of the '80s -- with almost no radio play and with video play being dominated by more photogenic, mostly British acts -- passed almost completely under the radar for most US listeners. That's why I never saw what the big deal was about Nirvana. I mean, they were good, no doubt, but was Nevermind that much better than Zen Arcade, or Los Angeles, or Double Nickels on the Dime, or Tim? I don't think so. But people were ready for it. Timing is everything.

--Justin

 

[john titor]

No, I don't think so.

what you think is irrelevant, I love Limp Bizkit, thats all that matters.

I'd give it up, Johnny-Boy. Everyone who is replying in this thread is, to some degree, laughing themselves sick over your defense of an unimportant, flash in the pan band. The only things you've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt are:

You're young and lack World experience
You anger easily
You're tone-deaf.

Now, as for the modern age of music, as I said before-the multitude of outlets allows many artists who might otherwise have been ignored in the past become known. I suspect people like Jack Johnson would have struggled a lot more 20+ years ago to be noticed than today. Frankly, I think this is a good thing. Like I said before, there's a lot of garbage floating to the surface but there is also a wealth of gems. This could be, in some ways, an era rich in musical choices and rewards due to the sheer volume of material now available. However,we will need the advantage of hindsight to properly evaluate the first decade of the 21st Century. Give it 10 more years and look back then-it will all seem a lot clearer.

35 million album sales, numerous awards, chocolate starfish breaking pearl jams record for fastest selling album ever, operational since 1995, hardly a flash in the pan.

Im in my thirties, I'm hardly young anymore.

 

[Dusty Ayres]

It's called "classic rock" (not rot) because it's classic, and timeless. Most new rock is uninspired and derivative.

What you just said prove my point about Classic Rock becoming Classic Rot; your musical palate has become so wrecked by it, that you can't listen to anything new. That's why I call that music format the name I gave it.

 

[RoJoHen]

what you think is irrelevant, I love Limp Bizkit, thats all that matters.

I'd give it up, Johnny-Boy. Everyone who is replying in this thread is, to some degree, laughing themselves sick over your defense of an unimportant, flash in the pan band. The only things you've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt are:

You're young and lack World experience
You anger easily
You're tone-deaf.

Now, as for the modern age of music, as I said before-the multitude of outlets allows many artists who might otherwise have been ignored in the past become known. I suspect people like Jack Johnson would have struggled a lot more 20+ years ago to be noticed than today. Frankly, I think this is a good thing. Like I said before, there's a lot of garbage floating to the surface but there is also a wealth of gems. This could be, in some ways, an era rich in musical choices and rewards due to the sheer volume of material now available. However,we will need the advantage of hindsight to properly evaluate the first decade of the 21st Century. Give it 10 more years and look back then-it will all seem a lot clearer.

35 million album sales, numerous awards, chocolate starfish breaking pearl jams record for fastest selling album ever, operational since 1995, hardly a flash in the pan.

But all that stuff happened nearly 10 years ago, and we haven't heard a thing from them since. It's probably been at least 8 years since I even heard a song of theirs on the radio. They were certainly very popular for a minute, but they clearly don't have much staying power.

 

[john titor]

I'd give it up, Johnny-Boy. Everyone who is replying in this thread is, to some degree, laughing themselves sick over your defense of an unimportant, flash in the pan band. The only things you've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt are:

You're young and lack World experience
You anger easily
You're tone-deaf.

Now, as for the modern age of music, as I said before-the multitude of outlets allows many artists who might otherwise have been ignored in the past become known. I suspect people like Jack Johnson would have struggled a lot more 20+ years ago to be noticed than today. Frankly, I think this is a good thing. Like I said before, there's a lot of garbage floating to the surface but there is also a wealth of gems. This could be, in some ways, an era rich in musical choices and rewards due to the sheer volume of material now available. However,we will need the advantage of hindsight to properly evaluate the first decade of the 21st Century. Give it 10 more years and look back then-it will all seem a lot clearer.

35 million album sales, numerous awards, chocolate starfish breaking pearl jams record for fastest selling album ever, operational since 1995, hardly a flash in the pan.

But all that stuff happened nearly 10 years ago, and we haven't heard a thing from them since. It's probably been at least 8 years since I even heard a song of theirs on the radio. They were certainly very popular for a minute, but they clearly don't have much staying power.

They got rich and didn't have to work anymore, I'd do the same. Anyway gold cobra will reach multi platinum sales, I've seen it happen.

 

[Servo]

They got rich and didn't have to work anymore, I'd do the same.

Oh, so they're all about the music then?

 

[Geckothan]

It's called "classic rock" (not rot) because it's classic, and timeless. Most new rock is uninspired and derivative.

What you just said prove my point about Classic Rock becoming Classic Rot; your musical palate has become so wrecked by it, that you can't listen to anything new. That's why I call that music format the name I gave it.

I listen to plenty of new music, it's just that the majority of new rock stuff is boring post-punk inspired/indie crap which all sounds the same, uses very bland instrumentation, requires little skill to compose and perform, and is mainly listened to by annoying kids in tight jeans.

Give me Opeth any day over that trash.

 

[RoJoHen]

They got rich and didn't have to work anymore, I'd do the same.

Oh, so they're all about the music then?

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

[ToddPence]

What you just said prove my point about Classic Rock becoming Classic Rot; your musical palate has become so wrecked by it, that you can't listen to anything new. That's why I call that music format the name I gave it.

Hmm. Kind of like saying the reason I can't stomach the thought of eating rancid banana peels is because my taste palate has become so wrecked by eating foods like filet mignon.

 

[Scotty]

the reason no ones replied is because I'm right about everything

Good one.

 

[Mistral]

I'd give it up, Johnny-Boy. Everyone who is replying in this thread is, to some degree, laughing themselves sick over your defense of an unimportant, flash in the pan band. The only things you've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt are:

You're young and lack World experience
You anger easily
You're tone-deaf.

Now, as for the modern age of music, as I said before-the multitude of outlets allows many artists who might otherwise have been ignored in the past become known. I suspect people like Jack Johnson would have struggled a lot more 20+ years ago to be noticed than today. Frankly, I think this is a good thing. Like I said before, there's a lot of garbage floating to the surface but there is also a wealth of gems. This could be, in some ways, an era rich in musical choices and rewards due to the sheer volume of material now available. However,we will need the advantage of hindsight to properly evaluate the first decade of the 21st Century. Give it 10 more years and look back then-it will all seem a lot clearer.

35 million album sales, numerous awards, chocolate starfish breaking pearl jams record for fastest selling album ever, operational since 1995, hardly a flash in the pan.

But all that stuff happened nearly 10 years ago, and we haven't heard a thing from them since. It's probably been at least 8 years since I even heard a song of theirs on the radio. They were certainly very popular for a minute, but they clearly don't have much staying power.

Besides, the Jonas Brothers sell like crazy but I wouldn't hold them up as any kind of genre defining anything. Chocolate Starfish? Never heard the name of their album before. Do they have another?

Sorry about the "young" comment-I based it on how you had presented yourself earlier in the thread. I was truly surprised at your actual age. The rest stands. You need to get out, smell some roses, dabble in Miles, Dick Dale or Glen Miller, broaden your scope-it makes it easier to tackle topics like this one. Changes your perspective. It's nice that you are such an avid fan of Limp-but the world is a bigger place than that. Much bigger.

 

[john titor]

35 million album sales, numerous awards, chocolate starfish breaking pearl jams record for fastest selling album ever, operational since 1995, hardly a flash in the pan.

But all that stuff happened nearly 10 years ago, and we haven't heard a thing from them since. It's probably been at least 8 years since I even heard a song of theirs on the radio. They were certainly very popular for a minute, but they clearly don't have much staying power.

Besides, the Jonas Brothers sell like crazy but I wouldn't hold them up as any kind of genre defining anything. Chocolate Starfish? Never heard the name of their album before. Do they have another?

Sorry about the "young" comment-I based it on how you had presented yourself earlier in the thread. I was truly surprised at your actual age. The rest stands. You need to get out, smell some roses, dabble in Miles, Dick Dale or Glen Miller, broaden your scope-it makes it easier to tackle topics like this one. Changes your perspective. It's nice that you are such an avid fan of Limp-but the world is a bigger place than that. Much bigger.

Theres no need to be sorry, I don't mind, because I'm so right about everything I can't take offence because I'm so self assured.

Anyway, yes the Jonas Bros have sold a lot, they've made an impact and define the genre of christian exploitative pop rock. People will still be talking about them years later. But Bizkit are different, they have artistic integrity and are manly with Fred Durst who is the epitome of manly poetic suffering with his angsty yet macho angry lyrics. And they had wes borland who was and is, the talent in the band. So they were and are the real deal.

lOOK THE rolling stones were about the music initially and then they completely sold out so where do you draw the line? yOU make music like Limp did for a few years to prove yourself to the masses, the masses like it and recognize you as a good songwriter so you have nothing to proove anymore and you're loaded. So what are you going to do? Pro=ove yourself some more or live like a greek god on top of a hill? I know what I'd want to do.

 

[PlainSimpleJoel]

New CD from STP in May, if that's of any interest

Never was really a huge fan of STP, but I should check them out.

But all that stuff happened nearly 10 years ago, and we haven't heard a thing from them since. It's probably been at least 8 years since I even heard a song of theirs on the radio. They were certainly very popular for a minute, but they clearly don't have much staying power.

They got rich and didn't have to work anymore, I'd do the same. Anyway gold cobra will reach multi platinum sales, I've seen it happen.

You are forgetting their last album only sold a million copies over a 5 year period. You are also forgetting the personal problems in Bizkit between Durst and Borland. Poor sales happened after this.

Anyways I have better things to do than argue about Limp Bizkit. Heck I'd rather listen to Nickelback than the Limp.

 

[Dusty Ayres]

I listen to plenty of new music, it's just that the majority of new rock stuff is boring post-punk inspired/indie crap which all sounds the same, uses very bland instrumentation, requires little skill to compose and perform, and is mainly listened to by annoying kids in tight jeans.

Give me Opeth any day over that trash.

Kinda like heavy metal, then! And yet those bands are considered to be amazing, despite the sameness of what they sing and play.

 

[zakkrusz]

Yeah, but I could say the same thing about any genre, like country or rap and probably be just as wrong. There's always exceptions.

 

[john titor]

New CD from STP in May, if that's of any interest

Never was really a huge fan of STP, but I should check them out.

But all that stuff happened nearly 10 years ago, and we haven't heard a thing from them since. It's probably been at least 8 years since I even heard a song of theirs on the radio. They were certainly very popular for a minute, but they clearly don't have much staying power.

They got rich and didn't have to work anymore, I'd do the same. Anyway gold cobra will reach multi platinum sales, I've seen it happen.

You are forgetting their last album only sold a million copies over a 5 year period. You are also forgetting the personal problems in Bizkit between Durst and Borland. Poor sales happened after this.

Anyways I have better things to do than argue about Limp Bizkit. Heck I'd rather listen to Nickelback than the Limp.

Everything has a cost associated with it so if Limp B sold a huge amount within a very short time that would naturally presuppose a price coefficient whereby subsequent sales would follow in a greatly reduced capacity. This isn't Limp Bizkit's fault, its the fault of entropy and the universe.

 

[Dusty Ayres]

The year is 1972 and Jethro Tull have just released their latest effort, Thick as a Brick. It consists of a single song spanning 2 whole LP sides. The musical content is creative, technically challenging, well executed and bursting with artistic excellence. It even hits #1 on the Billboard 200, we're talking about a FORTY MINUTE SONG here. This isn't rare, throughout the 70s, at least until some businessman realised that he could tap into the angst of the working class and exploit it for profit with the invention of punk, all sorts of imaginative music was seeing massive commercial success.

Punk rock was not created by Malcolm McLaren in the mid-'70's in England, but in the early-to-mid-70's in America at places like Max's Kansas City & CBGB's. What you know as punk is what came out of England; what came out of New York was all about the music/attitude and little else than that. And the music like Jethro Tull/Genesis/Yes was, to be frank, becoming bloated, elitist and in some cases silly and was getting away from what rock was/is (although I love Thick As A Brick and Selling England By The Pound). That's why Genesis changed from what it was to what it became under Phil Collins's leadership. To blame punk for getting rid of your favorite music of the 70's is wrong on all counts; it was already dying on the vine.

Fast forward 38 years and what sort of crap are we seeing at the top of the charts? Lady GaGa, generic rap/dance, American Idol/X-Factor winners and crappy indie (on major labels, how independent of them). For the most part, this stuff has been manufactured purely to make money, isn't of any real artistic merit and usually isn't even written by the performer, who essentially functions as a trained monkey.

I could say the same about the pop music of the late 60's-early to-mid-70's (especially as collected on the compilation set Have A Nice Day);most of it was forgettable too, I'll bet-except that most of it is still being played on radio somewhere, on stations like 1050 CHUM in Toronto where I live, every day, 24-7/365. Most of the current non-pop music you put down is quite good and is even critically acclaimed.

This isn't to say that good music isn't being made nowadays, but it's proof that popular music has gone downhill at the very least. While it's true that back in "the day", older generations used to make the same complaints that we do about today's popular music, the fact is that much of the popular music from the 60s and 70s is timeless, still sounds fresh today, and will continue to be remembered and revered for generations to come (as I've already said in a previous post). On the other hand, most of the popular music of the last decade has already been forgotten. The stuff coming out is so throwaway, derivative and easy to produce that new acts pop up every month, top the charts and subsequently disappear. For the most part, only already well-established acts survived the decade.

Same thing with the 60's and 70's except instead of being forgotten like they should, they're remembered up the wazoo due to Classic Rot format stations that shamelessly and robotically play said music over and over again, without a care for the struggling artists in the towns and cities they broadcast in and from needing the radio to be discovered and heard. And people like you LOVE hearing most of those artists.