What is your view of Enterprise?

[fek'lhr1]

Setting canon aside... I dislike Enterprise because it is boring. To me it is largely uninteresting and seems to go out of the way to make the characters unlikable.
But there are people who like it, and really that's fine. Perhaps if I read any Enterprise related books I could get into it.

 

[Luther Sloan]

Yeah, I would agree with that a bit. I believe Enterprise's cast is the worst out of all of Star Trek. There are some occasional moments where a couple of these actors get to shine a bit, but it is nowhere near the level like any of the actors from the other series, though. At least, in my opinion anyways.

 

[Luther Sloan]

I was thinking about the Voyager episodes "Year of Hell" and "Timeless". In those episodes we either see or get the impression that the time lines can be erased or corrected. At first glance this would suggest that the time lines Star Trek uses is a Fixed Time Line and not Multiple Time Lines. However, it occurred to me that when you see an alternate time line get erased or corrected... that time line we see disappearing is simply duplicating and continuing on unseen to us (the audience). And the new time line simply appears on top of the old one for us to see. Giving us the impression that time travel in Star Trek is a Fixed Time Line.

Anyways, I came up with a few Time Line Explanations for Enterprise that you might like.

1. Fixed Time Line / Predestined -

Star Trek Enterprise is a predestined fixed time line that flows into the Original Series flawlessly. Despite the questionable concern of canon integrating into the following Trek series, this show is seamlessly connected within the Core Trek Time Line. Any of Enterprise's temporal changes (like the Xindi attack) has already affected the time line and hasn't changed anything we seen later in the other series. In other words, any temporal incursions on Enterprise or changes were already made and you are simply seeing the natural final result of that change when you watch the following Trek series (TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY).

2. Fixed Time Line / Altered -

Star Trek Enterprise is an alternate fixed time line that changes all the other Trek series after it. When you watch the later Trek shows you are essentially watching the Original Unaltered Core Trek Time Line that eventually gets changed or erased by the events of Star Trek Enterprise.

3. Multiple Time Lines / Altered -

Star Trek Enterprise is one alternate time line within an infinite number of multiple possible time lines (that co-exist together) and is separate from the other Trek series. In other words, no particular time line can be actually changed or destroyed but duplicated. So the events we see in Star Trek Enterprise is just one of many possible alternate time lines that co-exist together. In fact, even the Original Trek Core Time Line still exists and continues on somewhere unaffected by the temporal incursions we see on Enterprise.



Side Note:

Personally, I am leaning towards #2 or #3 type time lines as an explanation on Enterprise. #1 just seems too far fetched and unbelievable to me. But that's just me.

 

[SFRabid]

I was thinking about the Voyager episodes "Year of Hell" and "Timeless". In those episodes we either see or get the impression that the time lines can be erased or corrected. ...

TNG had some of those too, with Guinan feeling that something was wrong and later that it had been fixed with no one else remembering. And then ... Tasha comes back as half Romulan.

 

[Saquist]

I say let's just get the Time Trek Series out of way.

 

[Mach5]

I was thinking about the Voyager episodes "Year of Hell" and "Timeless". In those episodes we either see or get the impression that the time lines can be erased or corrected. ...

TNG had some of those too, with Guinan feeling that something was wrong and later that it had been fixed with no one else remembering. And then ... Tasha comes back as half Romulan.

So basically, the Federation/Klingon war we saw in "Yesterday's Enterprise" happened in an alternate reality.

Remember what Nero said to Pike? "Don't tell me it didn't happen! I saw it happen!" The existence of Sela proves that "Yesterday's Enterprise" events in fact did not get erased.

 

[Saquist]

That proves that a remnant of a previous time line was transplanted to another.

 

[Luther Sloan]

I don't know. I still think a Fixed Time Line Theory can still work in these cases. I don't think the time line will erase or be changed unless the right string or strings is pulled. Plus, Temporal incursions don't follow an individual thru the temporal rift.

Also, Guinan's perception of time actually supports the fixed time line theory a bit more in this case, because she was aware of the change how things should have been.

If Guinan's perception went beyond time, she would actually be detecting a whole bunch of alternate time lines co-existing along side each other.

However, it could be that she was simply detecting the recent change between the two separate time lines diverging from each other, though. So who knows for sure.

However, I would have to agree. The Multiple Time Lines Theory is a rather attractive concept. But I am still on the fence as to which theory sounds the best, though.

 

[Mach5]

That proves that a remnant of a previous time line was transplanted to another.

Yeah, that REALLY makes sense...

 

[Luther Sloan]

I was thinking about "Star Trek: Enterprise" as a fixed alternate time line and how and when it might have come about.

So my best guess is that either the Temporal Cold War (or temporal incursions) was caused sometime during the events of First Contact or Star Trek (2009).

First Contact:

So, if the events of TCW (or Enterprise's time line) happens as a result of First Contact, it would explain the advancement in technology on "Star Trek: Enterprise" because of Picard and crew's influence on the time line. However, if this is true, the Future Temporal Protective Agency must have fixed the time line sometime after the late 22nd Century because we don't see any noticeable changes in the time line after First Contact.

Star Trek (2009)

However, in Star Trek (2009): It could be that Nero convinced or influenced the Romulans within the 23rd century to use time travel as a war against the Federation (as his back up plan). So the Romulans in the 23rd Century travel to the future and gain technology to modify the Suliban as their soldiers in the past (i.e. 22nd Century) within the Temporal Cold War.

Ah, heck. This all sounds too complex or complicated.
I'm going back to my Multiple Time Lines theory.

 

[Gagarin]

A missed opportunity of a show. The prequel idea was really a chance to do something 'different', and yet, it just moved the deck chairs.

 

[Mach5]

Check out this screencap from Cold Front:

Notice all these curved lines, hundreds of them. Doesn't it appear that each represents a different timeline?

And to quote Daniels once more:

You think of time travel as if it were some H.G. Wells novel. It is much more complicated than that. You couldn't possibly understand.

 

[Admiral Shran]

^ H.G. Wells novel actually.

 

[Mach5]

^ H.G. Wells novel actually.

Yeah, "The Time Machine"... Lapsus calami... *facepalm*

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

Don't know/care about timelines. The show's canon though (because it exists, basically). It's possibly an altered timeline due to the First Contact... then again, I don't care.

 

[Michael]

So, let me get this straight, people: Aren't you basically saying everything succeeding TOS' Tomorrow is Yesterday happens in an altered Tomorrow is Yesterday Timeline? And everything after The City on the Edge of Forever happens in an altered Tomorrow is Yesterday/The City on the Edge of Forever Timeline. And everything after ... well, you get the drift.

I don't think that's how time travel is supposed to work in Star Trek. This whole "Enterprise is an altered First Contact timeline" stuff really sounds like nonsense to me.

 

[Navaros]

I voted for "Is not canon no matter what the studio says." but I feel that the Poll options are incomplete.

The studio said that Enterprise was not Star Trek for its first two seasons, so obviously it cannot be Star Trek canon.

When the studio later decides to slap a Trek label onto what they have decided is a non-Trek show, that does not mean that one must believe the second side of the studio's mouth that the studio has talked out of, rather than the first.

Yet the Poll option that is there, represents things as if Enterprise has always been a Trek-branded show, which IMO makes for a biased selection of only loaded Poll statements to choose from.

Hence, a Poll option should be present to the tune of:

"The first side of the studio's mouth that it talked out of, the one that declared Enterprise to be a non-Trek show and therefore indisputably not Trek canon, is the only valid side."

or, "The studio's attempt to canonize Enterprise via performing revisionist history on its branding is invalid."

As for what I think Enterprise is: a failed attempt to get horny teenagers to watch a SciFi-themed show en masse. That is IMO exactly why they removed the Star Trek label from it, put T'Pol in a catsuit, had the 'deconn' scenes etc. etc. I think they were relying on sex rather than good writing, or good anything else, to sell the show. IMO that is also exactly why the series failed.

 

[Mach5]

So, let me get this straight, people: Aren't you basically saying everything succeeding TOS' Tomorrow is Yesterday happens in an altered Tomorrow is Yesterday Timeline? And everything after The City on the Edge of Forever happens in an altered Tomorrow is Yesterday/The City on the Edge of Forever Timeline. And everything after ... well, you get the drift.

If you accept the infinite number of timelines/realities idea, the issues just go away and never bug you again. Works for me. Janeway herself said that temporal paradoxes give her headaches and the best option is to avoid [thinking of] them at all costs.

I don't think that's how time travel is supposed to work in Star Trek.

But that's exactly how it does work in Star Trek (ST 09 being canon and all)...

This whole "Enterprise is an altered First Contact timeline" stuff really sounds like nonsense to me.

That's because you haven't given it much thought, I guess.

The idea of going back in time and killing your 10 year old grandfather makes far less sense, doesn't it?

 

[Warped9]

What is my view of ENT?

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[Luther Sloan]

Check out this screencap from Cold Front:

Notice all these curved lines, hundreds of them. Doesn't it appear that each represents a different timeline?

Mach 5:

Good one. It definitely looks like that scene is showing multiple time lines.
(Here is a video clip of the scene for anyone who's interested...)

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/62015

And to quote Daniels once more:

You think of time travel as if it were some H.G. Wells novel. It is much more complicated than that. You couldn't possibly understand.

Interesting. Yeah, I am gonna have to watch Shockwave Part 2 again.

However, I did make another interesting discovery, though. Changes within the time line can be reseted, repaired, or erased. Daniels says the time line is resetting itself in Storm Front Part 2 as if the events never happened. Also, in Cold Front, he is concerned about protecting that particular time line's history. Suggesting that time is one fixed time line.

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/62022

So one could interpret that all the different lines in Cold Front is simply a road map of all the different temporal incursions that have broken up the one string (or one time line) into many different little strings (or mini changes at different points within the time line).

In other words: if someone were to believe in the fixed time line, they would have to believe that all time travel incidents on Trek (that should have had some type of effect on the one time line) were corrected by either some higher power being like the Q or Daniel's future protective time agency.

However, this does not mean: that the multiple time lines theory is completely out of the water, though. It is possible that Daniels meant that the resetting or changes of that particular time line (as if certain events never happened) could simply mean that they no longer exist within the time line that Archer knows about. Daniels is simply showing us that the changes within Archer's time line are disappearing from their view and continuing on another time line as if Vosk succeeded.

It is just that the version of Vosk (within the time line we seen) failed miserably and died.

So, let me get this straight, people: Aren't you basically saying everything succeeding TOS' Tomorrow is Yesterday happens in an altered Tomorrow is Yesterday Timeline? And everything after The City on the Edge of Forever happens in an altered Tomorrow is Yesterday/The City on the Edge of Forever Timeline. And everything after ... well, you get the drift.

NCC-1701:

To assume that that there are no changes in time when someone meddles in the time line is pretty odd. It is the basic cause and effect theory.

I don't think that's how time travel is supposed to work in Star Trek. This whole "Enterprise is an altered First Contact timeline" stuff really sounds like nonsense to me.

In ENT's "Regeneration", we see Archer mention to T'Pol about cybernetic creatures and Humans from the future. Which basically is the events of First Contact. Which puts the events we see on Enterprise within the wake of the First Contact Time Line.

Here is the quote from Memory Alpha...

Later, in his ready room, T'Pol comes to tell him she has contacted Tarkalea and informed them of their rescue of their people. Archer shows her what he was reading before. It is a speech that was given 89 years prior by Human history's inventor of warp drive, Dr. Zefram Cochrane. In it he had spoken about the events surrounding his first warp flight. He had spoken of a group of cybernetic creatures from the future who had intended to "enslave the Human race". They had tried to prevent the flight, but were stopped by a group of Humans, also from the future.

Also, it just seems very strange that there would not be any changes in the time line with Picard and crew's talk of the future and showing of advanced technology to Cochrane and Lily, too. I mean, sure it is not concrete proof. Daniels Future Time Agency could have corrected the time line for all we know. But the advancements in technology in the 22nd Century (shown on Enterprise) compared to our view of what the 22nd Century is in the other series (TOS, TNG, DS9)... suggests otherwise.

In fact, check my post below for further details.


Source:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Regeneration_(episode)