There's a few people at work who feel the same way. They just want it to be over already. To a certain extent I can understand. Just hang in for another month and it'll all be over except for the unexplained mysteries.
Lost 6x12: "Everybody Loves Hugo"
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There's a few people at work who feel the same way. They just want it to be over already. To a certain extent I can understand. Just hang in for another month and it'll all be over except for the unexplained mysteries.
So........ Chang must kind of sort of remember Hurley, right? And certainly he knows his son Miles actually DID grow up to look exactly like the man who claimed to be his son 1977?
Anyone else think we'll get a scene or two of what really happened to the island from Chang's POV?
Anyone else think we'll get a scene or two of what really happened to the island from Chang's POV?
I just viewed the ghosts on the island the same how I view ghosts in other locations.........troubled spirits who can't move on for some reason. Purgatory is a place where you are "purified" so you can enter heaven...it's a transitional state....the voices appear to just be trapped there on the island and I'm guessing they'll continue to be stuck until the island ceases to exist.
I would actually echo Alidar Jarok's comment - Sometimes it's better to take a break. For some reason, I hated JKRowling's Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows as I went thru it in 3 days after the book came out. So I kinda feel for you. I sometimes think that if I had gone slow on the book (I didn't want to risk somebody revealing spoilers in the news or elsewhere to me!), or put it down for a bit and later picked it up, I would have enjoyed it more. If you feel like it, you should Tivo/DVR it and then watch it closer together. I think it becomes a major *chore* to have to *force* yourself to watch something. That also happened with Alias s4 with me, I somehow just lost the will around the time that Sydney ( Jennifer Garner) took a relative backseat due to Jennifer's real life pregnancy. However Alias had a fabulous season 1 and 2 with some very good eps later too.
{Edit: gh4chiefs - I hadn't seen the later posts between you and Alidar when I made the above comment. My intention is NOT to tell you to go away but suggest a breather. Criticism of what you like/dislike is always ok in my book - I criticize the ep below too. I apologize if you've seen the above paragraph and are upset with my remarks.}
Having said that, I think everybody's got the right to criticize - and I believe that cos I will criticize this ep. I too thought the Whispers explanation was almost a whimper instead of a bang. The bang (Ilana blowing up) seemed very random to me. So did Hurley suddenly siding with Ricardo Alpert on going to retrieve the dynamite only to blow it up - he could have done that without the "drama" of watching him suddenly change direction. Also - I don't really understand why it was so important to get Ricardo "back" and "rejoin the faith" that we took an episode to do it, if it ended up that we were going to ignore his direction (even tho' Jacob seems to have said that Ricardo would know what to do). So, what's the point in talking to Locke? Is it that the candidate (like Jacob before him) have to convince MIB to stay on the island and that can only be done via dialog? It seemed to me that the time of verbal convincing was over. Also - I did want to have Sun and Jin finally get together - I don't want that to "cloud" the series finale - the series finale and eps leading to that need to be wall-to-wall WTF-what-will-happen-next-nail-biting stuff. I want the montage scenes to be done with now!! I guess we have to wait to understand why Desmond runs over Locke in the flash sideways. I think we have seen glimpses of what people can see of the Lost-verse in the flash-sideways when they have an intense emotional experience (the near-death experiences with Charlie, the kiss between Hurley and Libby) but I think something much more happened when Desmond and Libby touched each other. The problem there, I think, is that we are going to be told that as exposition rather than shown it in a jaw-dropping twist as Lost has us accustomed to. And that's why I hated the Whispers exposition too.
Tho' I do give points for featuring Libby's yummy cleavage. yum!!
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There are some great theories that were posted.
1. Desmond is possibly Jacob existing in the flash-sideways. Brilliant! If that happens, it will blow my mind!
2. Desmond is killing Locke to prevent MIB to occupy Locke in the flash-sideways universe. Again brilliant! But that means that the flash-sideways universe will result from MIB trying to escape and with no host (and him *locked* into Locke's form), he will have nowhere to go and will become insubstantial and ghost-like in the flash-sideways universe. This theory does shaft Locke majorly. His is the sacrifice that is needed to protect the flash-sideways from a MIB loose amongst it.
I however still think that Desmond ran over Locke to get him to the hospital so that after Jack operating on him he starts walking. But if #2 happens, it will be cool.
I thought we heard a splash when the torch is thrown into the well. But when Locke jumped into the well (from lower) he actually didn't land in water. I *thought* that he had time-travelled to a different time when the well did not have water, met with Christian and then prevented the time-skips. I wonder if the same will happen to Desmond since we seem to seem him still at the bottom of the well, but no water around him from the previews. If so, how can Sayid (seemingly) fire at him from the well surface? You couldn't even see the bottom of the well (but it was night when we "look" down the well).
Also - great catch on the age of Doctor Chang. I don't see how he can be so young-looking in the flash-sideways universe. His presence in a young form in the flash-sideways universe seems to be weirdly out of sync with what we've seen so far about the flash-sideways.
Also - how come Desmond is able to see the boy?! Previously Sawyer was unable to see the boy but SmokeyLocke had. And the boy smiled and went away quickly. That would mean that all is per either Jacob's plan or at least the boy's (whoever he turns out to be... Aaron? Desmond's kid?) plan.
Also Miles' point to Hurley was valid. Miles points out that Locke killed a lot of people at the temple pretty ruthlessly.
I think there are still quite a bit of mysteries left on Lost. Hopefully they do a bang-up job of revealing all and at the same time going big for the last few eps.
Are we going to have an ep next week? I remember reading that one of the weeks in April, there is no new Lost ep.
1. Desmond is possibly Jacob existing in the flash-sideways. Brilliant! If that happens, it will blow my mind!
2. Desmond is killing Locke to prevent MIB to occupy Locke in the flash-sideways universe. Again brilliant! But that means that the flash-sideways universe will result from MIB trying to escape and with no host (and him *locked* into Locke's form), he will have nowhere to go and will become insubstantial and ghost-like in the flash-sideways universe. This theory does shaft Locke majorly. His is the sacrifice that is needed to protect the flash-sideways from a MIB loose amongst it.
I however still think that Desmond ran over Locke to get him to the hospital so that after Jack operating on him he starts walking. But if #2 happens, it will be cool.
I thought we heard a splash when the torch is thrown into the well. But when Locke jumped into the well (from lower) he actually didn't land in water. I *thought* that he had time-travelled to a different time when the well did not have water, met with Christian and then prevented the time-skips. I wonder if the same will happen to Desmond since we seem to seem him still at the bottom of the well, but no water around him from the previews. If so, how can Sayid (seemingly) fire at him from the well surface? You couldn't even see the bottom of the well (but it was night when we "look" down the well).
Also - great catch on the age of Doctor Chang. I don't see how he can be so young-looking in the flash-sideways universe. His presence in a young form in the flash-sideways universe seems to be weirdly out of sync with what we've seen so far about the flash-sideways.
Also - how come Desmond is able to see the boy?! Previously Sawyer was unable to see the boy but SmokeyLocke had. And the boy smiled and went away quickly. That would mean that all is per either Jacob's plan or at least the boy's (whoever he turns out to be... Aaron? Desmond's kid?) plan.
Also Miles' point to Hurley was valid. Miles points out that Locke killed a lot of people at the temple pretty ruthlessly.
I think there are still quite a bit of mysteries left on Lost. Hopefully they do a bang-up job of revealing all and at the same time going big for the last few eps.
Are we going to have an ep next week? I remember reading that one of the weeks in April, there is no new Lost ep.
He also spoke to Isabella and she didn't die on the island.
If that's the case, then he'll have to turn the car around and have another run at him.
Maybe we'll see the island sink in the series finale.
I was under the impression that it was a different well from the one Locke entered in Season 5. NotLocke did say there were several of them all over the island.
What I want to know, though, is how did the people who dug this well with their bare hands have the technology to build a compass but not to build a shovel.
This is my thought.......the events in the series finale are what cause the Sideways reality, not the nuke and the island will sink, the game will end and Sideways reality will be the final reality with the island people's memories fully restored to the sideways reality.
That's Desmond's mission in the sideways reality - restore their memories
Desmond's mission on the island - stop the MIB from winning.
What I want to know, though, is how did the people who dug this well with their bare hands have the technology to build a compass but not to build a shovel.
He probably meant used shovels with their bare hands - as opposed to a backhoe or a well-digging machine or ... some other mechanized tool that presently digs wells.
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Regarding Ilana --
A totally random exit/death honestly... and after what a big deal she was making about her mission to protect everyone, I don't know that I believe we've seen the last of her. I started wondering last night ... is it possible she somehow time-traveled after the sticks of dynamite exploded, still wounding her but sending her back in time? Could these injuries be the ones that put her in the hospital in Russia when Jacob finds her, as we've seen in her flashbacks?
A totally random exit/death honestly... and after what a big deal she was making about her mission to protect everyone, I don't know that I believe we've seen the last of her. I started wondering last night ... is it possible she somehow time-traveled after the sticks of dynamite exploded, still wounding her but sending her back in time? Could these injuries be the ones that put her in the hospital in Russia when Jacob finds her, as we've seen in her flashbacks?
Her death reminded me a lot of Rousseau and Alex's death. Basically the writers decided they were done with that story and just ended it in the most uncomplicated way possible: by killing it.
"The Island was done with her" basically means "the writers were done with her."
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Re: Dr. Chang recognizing Hurley
It's entirely possible, yes, if the flash-sideways universe was created by Juliet detonating Jughead at the same moment the island time-traveled. This means everything after that point in 1977 changed.
Alternatively, if the flash-sideways universe exists because of what our people are doing in the "real" universe to stop the Man in Black, it's entirely possible that Chang never met Jack, Hurley, Kate, Miles, Sawyer, etc back in the '70s as that timeline did not occur in Flash-Sideways-Chang's timeline.
Thirdly, perhaps Chang is well aware of the "real" universe vs. the Flash-Sideways-Universe the same way Eloise was?
It's entirely possible, yes, if the flash-sideways universe was created by Juliet detonating Jughead at the same moment the island time-traveled. This means everything after that point in 1977 changed.
Alternatively, if the flash-sideways universe exists because of what our people are doing in the "real" universe to stop the Man in Black, it's entirely possible that Chang never met Jack, Hurley, Kate, Miles, Sawyer, etc back in the '70s as that timeline did not occur in Flash-Sideways-Chang's timeline.
Thirdly, perhaps Chang is well aware of the "real" universe vs. the Flash-Sideways-Universe the same way Eloise was?
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I don't know. Alex's death was probably the darkest thing they've done on LOST, and it was a major character-changing moment for Ben and thus informed a lot of what happened for the rest of the season. I don't get that sensibility here, and given what little we know about Ilana, it seems like a complete waste to just (literally) write her off like that.
Well, yes, but I mostly meant that death of that general story between Danielle, Alex, and Ben. It was similar to the deaths of Libby and Ana Lucia. Boom, dead! No more story.
That's not to say that it didn't have an impact on the surviving characters.
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I think it's just as likely Desmond (whether he's been possessed/sharing existence with Jacob or not) recognized Locke as being the vessel to which the Man in Black would escape to in the Flash-Sideways-Universe, so he tried to kill Locke there.
There would seem to be an implied connection - finally - between the whole Jacob vs. the Man in Black struggle and the electromagnetism and time-travel stuff the show has been doing... notLocke clearly knows what Desmond is referring to when Des tells him he knows what electromagnetism feels like and has experience with it.
Is it possible the flash-sideways universe is the world as a result of the defeat of the man in black in "our" universe? Or at the very least, the universe as it would be if the man in black were not able to access it?
There would seem to be an implied connection - finally - between the whole Jacob vs. the Man in Black struggle and the electromagnetism and time-travel stuff the show has been doing... notLocke clearly knows what Desmond is referring to when Des tells him he knows what electromagnetism feels like and has experience with it.
Is it possible the flash-sideways universe is the world as a result of the defeat of the man in black in "our" universe? Or at the very least, the universe as it would be if the man in black were not able to access it?
I don't think so.
The common thread of the side-verse people is that, though things are better for them, they don't have love.
The exception is Locke, who is the only one to not find love of some sort on the island but has, indeed, found love in the side-verse.
I guess you could say Jin & Sun have love in both places, but they aren't married and their romance is forbiddon in the side-verse. That, and Sun just got shot.
I do want to see if there is any impact on not-Locke as a result of Desmond running Locke down in the side-verse.
I guess that's one way to make sure he doesn't speak to you first!
The common thread of the side-verse people is that, though things are better for them, they don't have love.
The exception is Locke, who is the only one to not find love of some sort on the island but has, indeed, found love in the side-verse.
I guess you could say Jin & Sun have love in both places, but they aren't married and their romance is forbiddon in the side-verse. That, and Sun just got shot.
I do want to see if there is any impact on not-Locke as a result of Desmond running Locke down in the side-verse.
I guess that's one way to make sure he doesn't speak to you first!
Wow, I'm actually starting to get bored of this show. Good thing there aren't enough episodes left for it to matter.
Nice to know what the whispers were. So the island is purgatory after all!
Nice to know what the whispers were. So the island is purgatory after all!
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