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He chose to leave Voyager.
RobertScorpio
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Agreed Dukhat
And as to who ever you quoted? .I guess they don't understand the role that Ronald D Moore had. Though he didn't write that episode, it is no secret that he was brought over to flesh out the scripts and bring more depth to them; that is why Braga 'wanted him'.
When Moore started demanding more continuity and more consequences to the ship being stranded far from home, thats when he began to have issues. That is how i recall what he said at the time. He has said as much many times afterward, if i recall.
Look at his pre BSG interviews and you can see that his 'bad time' at Voyager is what led to some of his writing choices at BSG...I am not a big fan of either VOYAGER or nuBSG..but in my view, nuBSG was better...
and im sticking to it!!! So there...
Rob
Rob
Voyager would have been much improved by greater continuity, more consequences for their actions, a wider, more diverse supporting cast, and the death of some of the main cast, determined randomly with the roll of a percentile by the writers at the start of each season...
RobertScorpio
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^^ I couldn't agree more.
Rob
Rob
Barge of the Dead is considered a classic by many Voyager fans, and it was actually written by Michael Taylor. I don't think much of it because, while it was a good idea, it wasn't executed in a particularly interesting way, and while its ultimate message about B'Elanna learning to be herself was good, it did not carry over into the rest of her episodes. Had Moore remained on the show and been allowed to implement his ideas then that episode would have had lasting impact and I would have a more favourable opinion of it.
Braga made promises to Moore to get Moore to join Voyager's writing staff, Moore bought into those promises. The writing staff on DS9 was very close and they warned Moore not to go to Voyager, but Moore felt it was worth the risk. When he got to Voyager he found the working environment hostile and felt that Braga, Menosky and Biller were side-lining the other writers, writers Moore respected like Michael Taylor and Bryan Fuller. Soon, Moore found that he was being sidelined too and he felt that Braga was backing out of his promises. He got fed up, for the first time since he started writing for Star Trek he wasn't enjoying it, so he took a big risk and walked away from the franchise which gave him his career.
There's a big long interview about it, I suggest you read it before making things up.
Seriously, what's your deal with Moore? So far you have criticised his first episode for not being about what he himself wanted it to be about, you criticised his second episode (to which he actually only wrote the first act), you criticised a character written by someone else, and an episode written by someone else. Like I told you, if you want your posts to be taken with any more weight than a feather then you need to give examples of episodes he actually wrote and what you don't like about them. You can find a list of the episodes he wrote here.
And at the end of season 6 he would have thrown darts at a board to determine which group of the main cast were super-secret Borg.
Considering that the network never would've let the VOY staff DO any of that stuff, I'm sure the instant that Moore does a network based show he'll run off blubbering like a baby as soon as he finds out that he won't be the controlling God of the show, like when he was ON Voyager.
"Put the dice down!" Al Gore to Gary Gygax, Futurama.
(though that does sound interesting...)
If Paramount (movies) gave Abrams pretty much free rein and reaped the very successful movie, I have to imagine Paramount (television) would also be willing to loosen the reins a little bit also, especially for someone like Moore who's both a Trek vet, and from BSG (which, despite it's poor ratings, was very well regarded in the Hollywood community, even by SciFi).
RobertScorpio
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And this is exactly my sentiment...as it has been all along. No more STAR TREK TV shows. The movie series needs to exist on its own, without the perception they are just two hour episodes released at the movies for higher ticket prices (which seemed to be true with some of the trek movies)
Rob
On the contrary, no more movies please.
In an effort to get a box office gross to justify the budget, they keep gutting the story and putting in more explosions.
Movies get the fans to buy a couple of $10 tickets, then buy the DVD a couple of times. TV shows get the fans to tune in every week, and then buy the DVD. I'd rather get a nickle every day for the rest of my life than get $500 today.
The movies have been hit-or-miss from a financial success standpoint, but the shows have always been successful. Even when the shows were stuck on a crappy little network that didn't even serve all markets, it was one of the highest rated shows on that network. Even when large numbers of the fans thought the show was crap, we still tuned in every week.
What we've learned from the movies is that the movie can't make as much money as the studio wants unless a whole lot of people who aren't Star Trek fans go see it. What we've learned from the shows is that a show can get pretty good ratings even if only people who are Star Trek fans tune in.
The trick seems to be, in part, to not try to "tweak" the show to make it more profitable. Get a decent return on your money and be happy you are helping to make something of lasting value.
I think that RDM is capable of turning out a Star Trek series or two that would be truly excellent. I think he is also capable of turning out a Star Trek series that makes me wish I could ret-con the real world and erase it from existence.
I'm willing to roll those dice at this point.
In an effort to get a box office gross to justify the budget, they keep gutting the story and putting in more explosions.
Movies get the fans to buy a couple of $10 tickets, then buy the DVD a couple of times. TV shows get the fans to tune in every week, and then buy the DVD. I'd rather get a nickle every day for the rest of my life than get $500 today.
The movies have been hit-or-miss from a financial success standpoint, but the shows have always been successful. Even when the shows were stuck on a crappy little network that didn't even serve all markets, it was one of the highest rated shows on that network. Even when large numbers of the fans thought the show was crap, we still tuned in every week.
What we've learned from the movies is that the movie can't make as much money as the studio wants unless a whole lot of people who aren't Star Trek fans go see it. What we've learned from the shows is that a show can get pretty good ratings even if only people who are Star Trek fans tune in.
The trick seems to be, in part, to not try to "tweak" the show to make it more profitable. Get a decent return on your money and be happy you are helping to make something of lasting value.
I think that RDM is capable of turning out a Star Trek series or two that would be truly excellent. I think he is also capable of turning out a Star Trek series that makes me wish I could ret-con the real world and erase it from existence.
I'm willing to roll those dice at this point.
RobertScorpio
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Not sure what planet you are on, but TREK XI made Star Trek hip again..and was very well received. Its ROTTENTOMATOES score proves that, as does its box office...
There have been 600+ hours of TREK TV..28 seasons, all tolled. If that isnt enough TV for you then I dont know what is..
Trek's had its time on TV...its in the big leagues and the people loved it.
Rob
There have been 600+ hours of TREK TV..28 seasons, all tolled. If that isnt enough TV for you then I dont know what is..
Trek's had its time on TV...its in the big leagues and the people loved it.
Rob
^ I didn't.
PLEASE God, give Moore a chance at his own Trek series!
PLEASE God, give Moore a chance at his own Trek series!
^ I'm sure there are plenty of things he likes that I don't. Still, I would love to see a Trek series of his.
Star Trek started on TV, and it always works best as a TV series. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED the new movie. And I am looking forward to its sequel. But if I had to choose between a new movie and a new TV series, I'd choose the series every time.
A 2 hour movie just can't compare with a TV show with a 45 minute episode each week! Even if the show only got a single season of say 24 episodes, thats already 18 hours!
I'm content to keep watching the next (few?) Abrams movies, but eventually Trek will go back to its original medium of TV. And when it does, I sure hope Moore is at the very least writing for it!
"...he'd ... turn Spock into ... a woman."
Spock as a trannie, I'd watch that. No one would ever again say that TPTB were ducking gay issues.
Titanic made fantastic box office too, like Abrams film it also wasn't Star Trek. If you re-named the ship Enterprise and the iceburg as a bird of prey. Leonardo DiCaprio as Kirk, Kate Winselt as Spock, Billy Zane as "Bones" McCoy and Kathy Bates as Uhura.
Still not Star Trek my friend. Given the choice between the two, I'd rather have another 600 hours of TV, vs another 22 hours of movies.
Just for fun my friends and I took the Star Trek Eleven DVD and edited out all the FX, it was a rough cut to be sure. But it was a true depiction of the story that Abrams created. It was also crap.
You should try our little experiment sometime.
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I loved nBSG and am a big fan of his, but I don't he'd produce the Trek series I'd ideally like to see. Nor that it's something he'd ideally like to do. I'm not sure Abrams would either. Both would do an excellent job I imagine, whatever they came up with.
I wish for something like...Gene Rodenberry (for soul), Michael Piller (for command), Ron Moore (for ideas), and JJ Abrams (for freshness) were forced into contract with each other to executive produce a series.
I wish for something like...Gene Rodenberry (for soul), Michael Piller (for command), Ron Moore (for ideas), and JJ Abrams (for freshness) were forced into contract with each other to executive produce a series.
Moore is a great writer. He understands plot, character motivation and pacing better than just about any Trek writer.
But after what he did to BSG?! Forget it!!! He trashed that series completely so I could never trust him with Trek.
And Starbuck will forever be a MAN!!!
But after what he did to BSG?! Forget it!!! He trashed that series completely so I could never trust him with Trek.
And Starbuck will forever be a MAN!!!
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