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Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) UK

Rate: The Eleventh Hour

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Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

Goodness knows what Moff was thinking with having Amy not turn around while the Doctor was changing. I guess between him gobbing up food and her insisting on seeing his nob, that's the heavy-handed shitcom writer in him.
Hmmm. You're totally welcome to feel that way. But, I have to say...man, unclench.
:)
:guffaw:Oh dear God, The, that's fabulous, and probably sums up in one word what so many of us have tried to express to Bones for a while now.

sir, I salute you. :techman:
Silly me with my opinions. I am so unlike everyone else in having them.

It's not the opinions it's the unremitting negativity. You've grown really predictable. You don't like the show yet insist on keep watching it...in the hopes that it turns into the Dr Who of old? Because you like finding fault? I never even used to be this bad with Voyager or Enterpise :lol:
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

After taking time to rewatch and digest the episode, a few things stood out at me. Here they are in a kind of random-vomit point form -

First, and it's probably just me, as I said previously, Matt Smith is awfully young. He's not so bad in motion, but looking at some of the freeze-frames of the Doctor and his companions (well, ok the Doctor, Amy & her bf) it just looks like 3 adolescent kids standing there!

The flipside of this is that he is also much nearer to his physical peak and therefore more athletic and he could also go on to do the series for a long time.

The "Who da man?" line was met with the scourn it deserved. It was mildly amusing & mildy embarrasing, but I am glad it is in the past now.

People used to talk about an actor 'hitting the ground running' when his or her characterisation came together from the very start. Tom Baker springs immediately to mind. I think these days they probably spend a bit more time fleshing out the characters prior to being thrust in front of a camera, but even so Matt Smith has definitely carved out a place for himself and left his mark from the very start.

Second, though the story was reasonably well written and expertly executed, the Prisoner Zero concepts and plotline are mundane. Despite this, I got a definite classic Who vibe from it all. A sinister crack in the wall, an escaped body-snatching alien prisoner, a giant big-brother style eye looming over the camera and our heroes - I could really see all these things being done on the old show.

The little actress who played Amelia did a fantastic job and deserves the utmost commendation - as do those who saw fit to cast her in the first place.

I think those who are predicting a romance here between the companion and the Doctor are indulging in a bit of wishful thinking. But hey, we'll find out as the series progresses.

The incidental theme used for the Doctor is interesting. IIRC, it starts as a slow four chord progression with a single repeating melody over the top. This in itself has a very cool 'epic saga' quality to it (it's actually an old trick you see in alot of movie trailers. The Abrams Star Trek trailers are a good example. You have this melody which repeats while the chords shift underneath, changing the context of the melody with each chord change). The drums then kick in to drive it into a higher gear. Then, near the end, this is all joined by a 2nd melody over the top of the first which is completely bonkers. It sounds all zany and madcap, though it's still strictly ordered and in sequence.

In a way this simple theme neatly encapsulates the Doctors character. And this is why I said in the other thread, that although I felt a bit 'meh' over the main theme arrangement, some of the incidental music within the episode is among Gold's best work on the series.

The rooftop scene was kind of cool, though I wonder where the aliens got all those pictures of Daleks, Cybermen, Sea Devils & Sontarans. As Australis pointed out, those fish creatures from The Doctor's Daughter should not be in the sequence, should they? Seems a mistake.

A few more things I noticed (which have no doubt been mentioned in this thread already) - 'Silence Will Fall' was repeated a couple of times by Prisoner Zero. Is this a RTD-style foreshadowing or prediction, like the Ood's 'Your song is coming to an end' thing? I also wonder what was the significance of the monitor/oscilloscope in the TARDIS showing the exact same shaped line as the crack on Amy's wall?

What was the point of the Doctor saying (to paraphrase) 'And if you don't trust me, then my man Geoff will speak for me' ? What the hell is Geoff going to do that will convince the experts? Not to mention leaving someone so completely 'green' to help co-ordinate the experts - it all seemed a bit rushed and a bit silly. Also hacking computer networks, and the depictions of the networks themselves, continues to be represented poorly in Doctor Who and does not resemble real life in any way. Though this was probably a tad better than Mickey's launching missiles via his web-browser in World War Three/Aliens of London.

Still a very impressive start overall. The 'Coming Soon' trailer looked suitably awesome. I can't wait.
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

Actually I have to admit I was a bit confused by the whole door thing at first. I understand the "perception filter" idea, but I wasn't really sure what I was supposed to be looking at. Or not looking at. lol

It would have been helpful if we saw the hallway from Amy's POV early on, when all she would have seen was just a blank wall there.
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

Very good point, davejames. As soon as the Doctor mentioned a 'perception filter' I immediately thought of the Somebody Elses Problem field described by Douglas Adams in Life, the Universe & Everything (which itself of course started life as a Doctor Who story). I think there may have been one or two other mentions of 'perception filters' in modern Who, but yes with a bit of camera trickery this could have been made a lot more clearer to the lay-audience.
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

The incidental theme used for the Doctor is interesting. IIRC, it starts as a slow four chord progression with a single repeating melody over the top. This in itself has a very cool 'epic saga' quality to it (it's actually an old trick you see in alot of movie trailers. The Abrams Star Trek trailers are a good example. You have this melody which repeats while the chords shift underneath, changing the context of the melody with each chord change). The drums then kick in to drive it into a higher gear. Then, near the end, this is all joined by a 2nd melody over the top of the first which is completely bonkers. It sounds all zany and madcap, though it's still strictly ordered and in sequence.

I'm not sure if this applies to all the Star Trek trailers, but the last one, at least, used the track "War Begins" from the Children of Dune soundtrack.

Very good point, davejames. As soon as the Doctor mentioned a 'perception filter' I immediately thought of the Somebody Elses Problem field described by Douglas Adams in Life, the Universe & Everything (which itself of course started life as a Doctor Who story). I think there may have been one or two other mentions of 'perception filters' in modern Who, but yes with a bit of camera trickery this could have been made a lot more clearer to the lay-audience.
Perception filters were a big part of the Master arc at the end of S3, and I think the TARDIS left an incidental one over the Torchwood 3 hub, so who knows, maybe it bleeds these things everywhere it goes.....
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

and I think the TARDIS left an incidental one over the Torchwood 3 hub, so who knows, maybe it bleeds these things everywhere it goes.....

Yup, it's why no one notices their pavement-lift thing, although its creation may be due to the Tardis refuelling on that spot rather than a normal side effect of a Tardis parking.
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

I think there may have been one or two other mentions of 'perception filters' in modern Who, but yes with a bit of camera trickery this could have been made a lot more clearer to the lay-audience.

[pedant]The first reference to a perception filter was in the pilot episode of Torchwood, where Jack explained that the Invisible Lift was invisible because the TARDIS had landed on that spot, and the rift caused its perception filter to be permanently welded the area (though it doesn't work on Suzy, because she's a crazy murdering lady). In the "Human Nature" two-parter and "Utopia," John Smith and Professor Yana both have perception filters on their respective pocket watches, but they only apply to them, and everyone else can notice the watch without any trouble. Later, in "The Sound of Drums," the Doctor talks about the TARDIS's perception filter, implying that it's the real reason no one gives a big blue box in the middle of someplace that doesn't normally see big blue boxes that much trouble, which he'd earlier ascribed to people in general being a bit slow and credulous. The TARDIS keys also have perception filters on them, and using the magic of jiggery-pokery and the Master's preexisting mass-hypnosis infrastructure, he's able to amplify that enough to stealth an entire person.[/pedant]
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

I'm not sure if this applies to all the Star Trek trailers, but the last one, at least, used the track "War Begins" from the Children of Dune soundtrack.

Yeah that's the one I was thinking of. IIRC the same trick is used again on the one using Freedom Fighters by Two Steps from Hell - though for the life of me I can't currently remember how exactly that goes.
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

[pedant]The first reference to a perception filter was in the pilot episode of Torchwood, where Jack explained that the Invisible Lift was invisible because the TARDIS had landed on that spot, and the rift caused its perception filter to be permanently welded the area (though it doesn't work on Suzy, because she's a crazy murdering lady). In the "Human Nature" two-parter and "Utopia," John Smith and Professor Yana both have perception filters on their respective pocket watches, but they only apply to them, and everyone else can notice the watch without any trouble. Later, in "The Sound of Drums," the Doctor talks about the TARDIS's perception filter, implying that it's the real reason no one gives a big blue box in the middle of someplace that doesn't normally see big blue boxes that much trouble, which he'd earlier ascribed to people in general being a bit slow and credulous. The TARDIS keys also have perception filters on them, and using the magic of jiggery-pokery and the Master's preexisting mass-hypnosis infrastructure, he's able to amplify that enough to stealth an entire person.[/pedant]
What? I'm almost positive it was mentioned before Torchwood. Maybe not by name, but surely by description. Which is why they didn't have to go into a long description in Torchwood and why they'd even reference it to the TARDIS to begin with.
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

Samurai8472, I noticed that continuity glitch (on the roof) rewatching it last night.
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

Gotta say I'm surprised with all the talk of timelines and what-not, no one has pointed out that on Rory's nurse badge, it says "Issued on: 30/11/1990".
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

Gotta say I'm surprised with all the talk of timelines and what-not, no one has pointed out that on Rory's nurse badge, it says "Issued on: 30/11/1990".

That one just has to be a mistake, though; there were no videophones in 1990.
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

Gotta say I'm surprised with all the talk of timelines and what-not, no one has pointed out that on Rory's nurse badge, it says "Issued on: 30/11/1990".

That one just has to be a mistake, though; there were no videophones in 1990.
Or he simply didn't end up in our universe. Wouldn't be the first time.
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

Gotta say I'm surprised with all the talk of timelines and what-not, no one has pointed out that on Rory's nurse badge, it says "Issued on: 30/11/1990".

That one just has to be a mistake, though; there were no videophones in 1990.
Or he simply didn't end up in our universe. Wouldn't be the first time.

Walternate is the big bad this series.
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

Gotta say I'm surprised with all the talk of timelines and what-not, no one has pointed out that on Rory's nurse badge, it says "Issued on: 30/11/1990".

That one just has to be a mistake, though; there were no videophones in 1990.
Or he simply didn't end up in our universe. Wouldn't be the first time.

I don't know how that'd be possible -- "Doomsday" and "Journey's End" made it very clear that the walls between universes are too strong for the TARDIS to cross dimensions, and they only weakened when the fabric of reality itself was unraveling as a result of the effects of the Reality Bomb being felt faster in Pete's Universe because time runs faster there.
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

That one just has to be a mistake, though; there were no videophones in 1990.
Or he simply didn't end up in our universe. Wouldn't be the first time.

Walternate is the big bad this series.
At least we didn't get the Brigadier with an eye patch again.


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Or he simply didn't end up in our universe. Wouldn't be the first time.

I don't know how that'd be possible -- "Doomsday" and "Journey's End" made it very clear that the walls between universes are too strong for the TARDIS to cross dimensions, and they only weakened when the fabric of reality itself was unraveling as a result of the effects of the Reality Bomb being felt faster in Pete's Universe because time runs faster there.
Sure, but then again consider it's the Doctor Who universe. Nothing is set in stone. The Master and the other Timelords returned from the dead as well. They thought the Daleks had gone extinct countless times as well just to face them again, ...
In the end it all just depends on an author having an explanation to have it fit within the main story.
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Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

I was watching the episode again and couldn't help but notice cues that reminded me of the chase music from Hans Zimmer's "Angels and Demons" score. I believe that it plays prominently after the Doctor says he has twenty minutes to save the world. I'm going to have to re-listen to the "Angels and Demons" score again but I'm pretty sure I heard it in the episode. Not saying anything I quite liked the score in the episode.
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

Goodness knows what Moff was thinking with having Amy not turn around while the Doctor was changing. I guess between him gobbing up food and her insisting on seeing his nob, that's the heavy-handed shitcom writer in him.

Hmmm. You're totally welcome to feel that way. But, I have to say...man, unclench.
:)

:guffaw:Oh dear God, The, that's fabulous, and probably sums up in one word what so many of us have tried to express to Bones for a while now.

sir, I salute you. :techman:
Silly me with my opinions. I am so unlike everyone else in having them.

The did say you were welcome to feel that way :)
 
Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

Also another thing that I noticed was that when the Doctor snaps his fingers to open the TARDIS doors...or while the Tardis was regenerating as well there is a shot I think when the Doctor is inside the house of the Tardis key glowing in his hand I wonder if it imprinted the lock with his DNA so that he can now open the doors whenever he wants by just snapping his fingers.

With regards to the timeline...remember that the Doctor refers to Facebook and Twitter, we have video phones as was mentioned. As i stated in an earlier thread I think we're in 2012/2013 and I don't think Amy was dreaming when the Doctor returned. It was just a fast cut.
 
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Re: Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) U

Hm. Rory's pass issue date. Number plates implying it's 2005. And a big crack in the universe... when all cracks are supposed to be sealed...

Alternate universe. And we'll find Amy's parents somewhere else.

Maybe? I dunno. But it's either food for thought, or, as is very much more than likely, we are overthinking it.
 
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