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"24"; The Greatest Hits

One thing I liked most? 24's creator is an admitted right winger. The show took a lot of flack from the left for so called "bigoted" plots. I remember reviewers bashing this show for daring to have "GASP"..... middle-eastern bad guys. As if only badguys could be from Europe, like Dennis Hopper, with white skin.

But this show had Oriental bad guys, black bad guyes, latino badguys, russian badguys...not one pigment in the "rainbow coalition" got off the hook.

Thats what I liked about the show. We can all be good (Jack Bauer/David Palmer) we can all be bad (Nina/Sherry) and doesn't matter what part of the world you come from...

Just no bad Tibetans!!!

Rob

Actually, the torture thing and Joel Surnow aside, 24 has never been as right-wing as is made out. One of the other creators was a liberal, IIRC. And consider -

David Palmer was a sympathetic Democratic black President. They've fudged party allegiances since - logically, Taylor should be a Republican, Daniels a Democrat but her administration is to the left of his - , but in S1, he was declared to be a Dem. And his villainous wife berated him for his allegiance to bleeding heart causes. The first two Republican Presidents (Keeler and Logan) were duplicitous and a criminal respectively. The Palmer brothers' VPs were presumably Democrats too but were clearly to the right of their bosses. Daniels in particular was a shady character (Prescott probably acted in good faith when he attempted to oust David).

In S5, the declaration of Martial Law was clearly supposed to be viewed as A Bad Thing. S6 is surprisingly outspoken in favour of civil liberties, against internment, racial profiling and the like. As was Palmer's diatribe against anti-Arab attacks in S2.

The villains in S5 - shipping arms to terrorists to give them a pretext to attack a country for its oil - were clearly neo-cons. Ditto those in S2 looking for an excuse to attack the countries that were framed for the nuke attach on the US. Wayne Palmer was the target of assassination for being insufficiently aggressive. Indeed, from those guys to Jack's arms-boss dad, to Jonas Hodges and Will Patton's character in S7, the 'industrial-military-complex' types have frequently been a staple of 24 villainy. S6 had a Bin Laden type terrorist seeking peace with the US (sacrificing himself to save the President) and S8 has an Iran substitute making peace with the US.

Fair enough, the show isn't exactly to the left of Ken Loach but neither is it as uber-right as sometimes portrayed. Don't forget that the likes of Sutherland, James Cromwell, Jeanine Garafolo and Dennis Haysbert are Democrats and Liberals.

Back on topic, I'd include:

- Teri's death

- Nina being revealed as the mole

- Jack tranquilising Mason in S1 (we knew then he really was going to be a different-from-the-norm hero)

- Tony saving Teri in that house in S1 (up to then, we weren't sure of his allegiances)

- Jack killing & decapitating the protected informant in S2

- Mason's sacrifice in S2

- Jack dying under toture, then coming back and basically kicking ass (S2).

- Jack causing a prison break in S3 (I know a lot of people dislike that season but I think it was great fun)

- Jack appearing to be in league with the Salazars, then Tony rising from his sick bed & demanding to speak to the President, to explain their plan

- Jack having to kill Chappelle. Okay, a silly plot point, but so well done. Remember the poor fecker trying to flee CTU but being stopped by a security guard? And Chase, unaware of what was going on, berating poor Ryan as Jack led the condemned man to his fate?

- Jack having to cut off Chase's arm. Gloriously bonkers. As soon as you saw that axe in the background, you knew how that briefcase was coming off. The hard way.

- Palmer being blackmailed into resigning the presidency.

- Nina's death and Sherry's death.

- Jack rescuing Heller from the bad guys in S4. Preceded by Jack robbing a convenience store. Brilliant.

- The sheer audacity of Marwan's plot(s).

- Any scenes with Curtis in Seasons 4 & 5. What a badass. Even when Jack was throttling him outconscious.

Tony's return in S4. Best. Comeback. Ever.

- Two major characters assassinated in the opening scenes of S5. Though points off for having Tony spend virtually all his scenes in sickbed (yet again), then appearing to die.

- Wayne Palmer hunted by Henderson's assassins in S5.

Jack hijacking a plane (S5). Can't top this, can he?

- Yes he can. He hijacks the Presidential helicopter, with Logan on board.

- Jack escaping his torturers in S6, by biting a guy's neck out.

- Jack's two-footed kick to get that terrorist off the subway (S6)

- Jack shooting Curtis. Sob. Ridiculous, but brilliant.

- Milo's sacrifice. Sob.

- Jack killing that terrorist by hanging him with a chain (S6).

- Jack ringing the code Tony gave him and Bill Buchanan answering (S7). Faux CTU!

- Jack and Tony escaping from FBI HQ. The boys are back in town!

- The attack on the White House. Yes, probably the stupidest scene ever in 24 (which is saying something). But how well done was it? Bill Buchanan and Aaron Pierce AND Jack Bauer in action together?! The stuff of fanboy wet dreams!

Bill's sacrifice. Sob.

- Tony saving the day at Blackwater ... sorry, I forget the name of Hodges' company. What a shame they ruined his character by making him a villain in the end-up.

- S8's one entry (hopefully only to date): Jack pulling a knife out of his own stomach and throwing it into a Russian gangster's throat. Genius!
 
To be fair, the middle eastern terrorists in season four are kind of offensive. They don't seem to have any concrete political goals. They're supposed to be Muslim fundamentalists, but other than yelling "God is Great" the prerequisite number of times in Arabic, we never see them pray or take their religion seriously. One of the terrorists that season (the one who martyrs himself in a car accident when Jack is following him) has a big honking gold earing, not exactly something you'll find on a male Muslim extremist. And let's not get started on Marwan's "plan."
This, to me, is like Timothy McVeigh going off about America being a "Christian" nation, and somehow that justifies why he murdered hundreds in Oklahoma City. There's no real religion there, only a twisted political point of view that uses certain buzzwords to gain followers. It seems clear that there are cultural Muslims and separate devout Muslims (just as there are the same divides in Christianity and Judaism). In S8, the IRK seems to be pretty secularly Muslim. Mrs Hassan wears makeup and jewelry (she reminds me of the gorgeous Queen Noor of Jordan) and there's no talk of stopping to pray, yet Kayla covers her head with a scarf in public.

However, in S2, Kate recognizes the word "prayer" in Arabic after the bad guy kills the private eye. This leads CTU to a mosque where the bad guy is attending prayers before the big bad deed. It was a big plot point.

- Jack having to kill Chappelle. Okay, a silly plot point, but so well done. Remember the poor fecker trying to flee CTU but being stopped by a security guard? And Chase, unaware of what was going on, berating poor Ryan as Jack led the condemned man to his fate?
I don't think this plot was silly at all. Yes, someone else would finish the investigative work Chapelle was doing, but Stephen Saunders really didn't care about that. He wanted (1) to distract CTU from their primary goal by having them chase down where the call was supposedly coming from (which led to the remote phone in the empty room) trying to save Chappelle's life before the deadline; (2) to demoralize CTU completely; and (3) to demonstrate to POTUS that, yes, in fact he could make them do whatever he wanted them to do. Saunders was batsh*t crazy AND hated the American intelligence community for leaving him behind.

I get something in my eye when Chappelle can't get out of the helicopter and says, "My legs are shaking," and Jack replies, "I got you." Both actors hit that thing right of the park.

Couple more: The last fight scene in the stadium at the end of S2. I watched the extra on the DVD and the choreography (Sutherland did the stunt fighting himself) was beautiful.

And Jack talking the lone surviving submariner (S5 or S6), who couldn't have been more than 20 years old, through the steps of killing the nuclear arming bad guy over the radio. "What's your status, son?" "Uh, my status is ... he's dead."
 
George Mason going down with the plane, Jack shooting Chappelle and the scene in which Gregory Itzin contemplates suicide are the three big OMG!!! scenes in the series for me.

Maybe add that early S2 scene where Jack chops off that guy's head, just because it wasn't obvious so early in the series that Jack would be the kind of guy who chops off some guy's head. :rommie:

One thing I liked most? 24's creator is an admitted right winger. The show took a lot of flack from the left for so called "bigoted" plots. I remember reviewers bashing this show for daring to have "GASP"..... middle-eastern bad guys. As if only badguys could be from Europe, like Dennis Hopper, with white skin.

But this show had Oriental bad guys, black bad guyes, latino badguys, russian badguys...not one pigment in the "rainbow coalition" got off the hook.

Thats what I liked about the show. We can all be good (Jack Bauer/David Palmer) we can all be bad (Nina/Sherry) and doesn't matter what part of the world you come from...

Just no bad Tibetans!!!
The only ethnic group that guy seems to have it in for is blondes. :rommie: What is it about the blonde chick always having to be eeevil. Or Stupid-Kim stupid? Even Chloe had to become a brunette so she wouldn't turn out to be a mole.
 
To be fair, the middle eastern terrorists in season four are kind of offensive. They don't seem to have any concrete political goals. They're supposed to be Muslim fundamentalists, but other than yelling "God is Great" the prerequisite number of times in Arabic, we never see them pray or take their religion seriously. One of the terrorists that season (the one who martyrs himself in a car accident when Jack is following him) has a big honking gold earing, not exactly something you'll find on a male Muslim extremist. And let's not get started on Marwan's "plan."
This, to me, is like Timothy McVeigh going off about America being a "Christian" nation, and somehow that justifies why he murdered hundreds in Oklahoma City. There's no real religion there, only a twisted political point of view that uses certain buzzwords to gain followers. It seems clear that there are cultural Muslims and separate devout Muslims (just as there are the same divides in Christianity and Judaism). In S8, the IRK seems to be pretty secularly Muslim. Mrs Hassan wears makeup and jewelry (she reminds me of the gorgeous Queen Noor of Jordan) and there's no talk of stopping to pray, yet Kayla covers her head with a scarf in public.

However, in S2, Kate recognizes the word "prayer" in Arabic after the bad guy kills the private eye. This leads CTU to a mosque where the bad guy is attending prayers before the big bad deed. It was a big plot point.

I should emphasize I was talking about season four again.
 
I just remembered my 2nd favourite moment!

The very last scene of season 3.
The whole theme of season 3 (to me) was about choice, and how dark of a choice are we willing to take for the greater good. Bauer and Palmer both seemed to be following this idea independently.

But then that last scene of Jack just sitting in his car, the day's events finally catching up to him, and he just breaks down.

Again, such great acting.
 
And let's not get started on Marwan's "plan."

Scoff now, but Marwan's plan is finally coming together!
What was his original plan anyway? The meltdown of all the nuclear plants or the missile?


It was actually pretty simple. First you kidnap the Secretary of Defense and put him on a "trial" broadcast over the internet for crimes against the Middle East. The web-traffic over the internet will be perfect for hiding the use of a device that can crack into the country's nuclear power plants (which are on-line now... for some reason) while the authorities are dealing with that crisis and trying to deal with the aftermaths you get an undercover operative to steal a super-secret ultra-stealth airplane so they can shoot down Airforce One. With Airforce One downed you can then steal the Nuclear Football to gain the codes to utilize a nuclear missile you stole earlier in the day.
 
Don't forget about using your stolen nuclear missile in Iowa to attack Los Angeles. A key component to Marwan's ultimate success!
 
Sean Callery. He's done some fantastic work over the last 8 seasons. Hes work during seasons 2 and 5 standing out in particular.
 
Scoff now, but Marwan's plan is finally coming together!
What was his original plan anyway? The meltdown of all the nuclear plants or the missile?


It was actually pretty simple. First you kidnap the Secretary of Defense and put him on a "trial" broadcast over the internet for crimes against the Middle East. The web-traffic over the internet will be perfect for hiding the use of a device that can crack into the country's nuclear power plants (which are on-line now... for some reason) while the authorities are dealing with that crisis and trying to deal with the aftermaths you get an undercover operative to steal a super-secret ultra-stealth airplane so they can shoot down Airforce One. With Airforce One downed you can then steal the Nuclear Football to gain the codes to utilize a nuclear missile you stole earlier in the day.
Pretty simple indeed. And with all this insanity it actually almost worked:guffaw:
 
It was actually pretty simple. First you kidnap the Secretary of Defense and put him on a "trial" broadcast over the internet for crimes against the Middle East. The web-traffic over the internet will be perfect for hiding the use of a device that can crack into the country's nuclear power plants (which are on-line now... for some reason) while the authorities are dealing with that crisis and trying to deal with the aftermaths you get an undercover operative to steal a super-secret ultra-stealth airplane so they can shoot down Airforce One. With Airforce One downed you can then steal the Nuclear Football to gain the codes to utilize a nuclear missile you stole earlier in the day.

Never mind that every nuclear power plant going belly up would cause far more death and destruction than one nuclear missile aimed at Los Angeles. :lol:

And the football doesn't even work that like. Of course, in 24 world, I'm surprised the CIP device doesn't also control nuclear power plants, nuclear missile codes and Ebay auctions.

Was it season 4 where Jack could reconfigure a regular cell phone or Blackberry or whatever (using only the parts it came with) to explode?
 
24 has perfected the mole. I think the only reason this season's CTU mole is such a disappointment is because there was no foreshadowing. They pulled it out of thin air rather than showing signs that someone was working from the inside. So far I haven't really seen what the mole has done for the terrorists. Or if it isn't obvious the writers, bless them, are sure to make it clear with Jack guessing someone on the inside is helping the bad guys. This time there was no inkling of that at all.

It's like they said,
"What's something new we haven't done with the mole?"
"Hey we haven't had one with absolutely no warning yet."
"Brilliant!"
 
^ I think it was 4. It was the one with Desmond from Lost as a German operative.

Season five. The producers actually wanted to snag that actor as a regular for season six, but Lost took him instead. Probably for the best, considering season six...
 
Was it season 4 where Jack could reconfigure a regular cell phone or Blackberry or whatever (using only the parts it came with) to explode?

In Season 5 Jack used his cell-phone to remote-detonate a terrorist's explosive vest (with Chloe's mad-hackers skilz help) and rigged a portable-device to short out when activated (the episode with Desmond.) It's possible that device was a CTU device that had a self-destruct feature, or it's even possible the file was given to Desmond in the form of a chip he plugged into his device and the chip had a self-destruct on it.
 
24 has perfected the mole. I think the only reason this season's CTU mole is such a disappointment is because there was no foreshadowing. They pulled it out of thin air rather than showing signs that someone was working from the inside. So far I haven't really seen what the mole has done for the terrorists. Or if it isn't obvious the writers, bless them, are sure to make it clear with Jack guessing someone on the inside is helping the bad guys. This time there was no inkling of that at all.

It's like they said,
"What's something new we haven't done with the mole?"
"Hey we haven't had one with absolutely no warning yet."
"Brilliant!"

I hate moles..bad writing when over done...

Rob
 
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