Very Disappointed

[StevieD]

As someone who occasionally watched TNG when i was younger, i was bored and went and bought all for seasons of Enterprise, and i must say i was very impressed with it.

So, as for the "very Disappointed", it came to an end far too soon in my opinion, just when they could have opened up some serious pre-federation plots and back fills.

So, its probably been asked before, but has CBS/Paramount completely 150% killed the series with no hope of reviving it? (the last episode, in my mind, was terrible and completely lacking).

I scoured the internet and found so much support for a continued series, but nohing from CBS...

Thanks.

Steve

 

[Mach5]

Hi, Steve!

So, its probably been asked before, but has CBS/Paramount completely 150% killed the series with no hope of reviving it?

Sadly, yes.

(the last episode, in my mind, was terrible and completely lacking).

You'll find that nearly all Enterprise fans agree with you on this.

 

[ALF]

That is why... the majority of ENT fans consider Demons/Terra Prime the real finale of ENT and leaves a better taste after viewing than TATV... the "canon" of TATV is called into question anyway as it was a holodeck recreation on the Enterprise D.

It's also worth mentioning that the ENT novel series from The Good That Men Do (hinted at in Last Full Measure) onward rights several wrongs of the TATV finale and will likely satisfy the ENT legacy if you enjoy reading.

 

[Mach5]

It's also worth mentioning that the ENT novel series from The Good That Men Do (hinted at in Last Full Measure) onward rights several wrongs of the TATV finale and will likely satisfy the ENT legacy if you enjoy reading.

Plus, Andy Mangels said (in a podcast) that the Paramount people (not just Paula Block, I reckon) were behind the finale fix 400%!

 

[StevieD]

Hi, Steve!

Sadly, yes.

Gutted. The potential was there. Im guessing the ratings wernt. To be honest im thinking the reason i missed it was the lack of "Star Trek" in the title for the first few seasons. A big screw up in my opinion

You'll find that nearly all Enterprise fans agree with you on this.

That is why... the majority of ENT fans consider Demons/Terra Prime the real finale of ENT and leaves a better taste after viewing than TATV... the "canon" of TATV is called into question anyway as it was a holodeck recreation on the Enterprise D.

That i can understand. TATV was such a poor tie in. Demons/Terra Prime was much better,

It's also worth mentioning that the ENT novel series from The Good That Men Do (hinted at in Last Full Measure) onward rights several wrongs of the TATV finale and will likely satisfy the ENT legacy if you enjoy reading.

Never considered reading the novels, but ill get on it. Cheers

Plus, Andy Mangels said (in a podcast) that the Paramount people (not just Paula Block, I reckon) were behind the finale fix 400%!

Its frustrating because the potential was (and still is as far as i can see) to really show what went on pre Kirk. It would have been nice if the latest movie had just jumped back that extra hundred years and took off where enterprise finished.

If Stargate can sucessfully push out direct-to-DVD films to wrap up story lines then Paramount could have done the same

 

[Joeman]

I used to think Enterprise was approximately 4 seasons too long. Now it's my favorite series. It always pains me when I get to the end (aside from having to watch that finale) to think about the 75 or so episodes that I've been cheated out of.

Yeah, that got canceled, but American Idol will still be going into new seasons long after all of us are dead.

 

[Yug]

With all the new interest in direct to DVD animated anthology tie-ins, different artists and animators doing their take on big properties, starting with the Matrix. We've also had Batman, Halo, Clone Wars, and more. I do think we could see a nice string of Trek animated DVD's featuring characters, crews, and ships from all of Trek and some new ones... But Enterprise would be a great subject matter for something like that.

I feel like most of you do, Enterprise was an aquired taste. It had many misfires, but after subsequent viewings more cerebral elements start manifesting themselves. And I've been hooked on it in reruns and dvds. Even after seeing the show during it's first run, only now do I respect what they did.

Enterprise deserves a life after cancelation in whatever form it takes.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Yeah, that got canceled, but American Idol will still be going into new seasons long after all of us are dead.

Sadly, this is true.

 

[Psion]

Yeah, that got canceled, but American Idol will still be going into new seasons long after all of us are dead.

Alright ... that's so depressing that I'm gonna go eat a bullet.








EDIT TO ADD:
Alright, never mind. They taste awful and I think I chipped a cap on the casing.

 

[Alrik]

With all the new interest in direct to DVD animated anthology tie-ins, different artists and animators doing their take on big properties, starting with the Matrix. We've also had Batman, Halo, Clone Wars, and more. I do think we could see a nice string of Trek animated DVD's featuring characters, crews, and ships from all of Trek and some new ones... But Enterprise would be a great subject matter for something like that.

Enterprise deserves a life after cancelation in whatever form it takes.

I wouldn't hold your breath. Paramount isn't likely to let anyone touch any part of the franchise until JJ is done with his run. Too much $$$ involved to take a risk. But maybe after they get done making the NUTrek movies they'll open things up to something like that. I'd be all for it.

 

[Yug]

With all the new interest in direct to DVD animated anthology tie-ins, different artists and animators doing their take on big properties, starting with the Matrix. We've also had Batman, Halo, Clone Wars, and more. I do think we could see a nice string of Trek animated DVD's featuring characters, crews, and ships from all of Trek and some new ones... But Enterprise would be a great subject matter for something like that.

Enterprise deserves a life after cancelation in whatever form it takes.

I wouldn't hold your breath. Paramount isn't likely to let anyone touch any part of the franchise until JJ is done with his run. Too much $$$ involved to take a risk. But maybe after they get done making the NUTrek movies they'll open things up to something like that. I'd be all for it.

With all due respect, I wish people would stop telling me "don't hold your breath". I get it, ok? I understand the reality, we all do. But Trek is still viable, less risky than most properties, and always will be. I'm not sure how obvious it is here on Trekbbs, but Trek has a following. And in this current media enviroment, a following is preferred. Because no $$$ venture is safe anymore, and Paramount knows that, otherwise there wouldn't have been a "risky" JJ Abrams reboot in the first place.

 

[Middleman]

I'm not sure how obvious it is here on Trekbbs, but Trek has a following. And in this current media enviroment, a following is preferred.

I hear you and I'm on your side, but Trek Fans are not your average following. In general, it's a fractured fan base that is incredibly picky and can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to it's own canon. The following, in and of itself, is very risky. Paramount knows this and that's why we got a Kirk / Spock reboot and, most likely, that's all we will ever get. IMO, this once glorious franchise has been relegated to "Batman Status" and I, frankly, place the blame on us.

 

[Yug]

I'm not sure how obvious it is here on Trekbbs, but Trek has a following. And in this current media enviroment, a following is preferred.

I hear you and I'm on your side, but Trek Fans are not your average following. In general, it's a fractured fan base that is incredibly picky and can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to it's own canon. The following, in and of itself, is very risky. Paramount knows this and that's why we got a Kirk / Spock reboot and, most likely, that's all we will ever get. IMO, this once glorious franchise has been relegated to "Batman Status" and I, frankly, place the blame on us.

I place some of the blame on us as well, I agree. But I also think that 90% of the picky fans, the haters, and the supossed "canonistas" still buy the Trek product. Every hater of the new film that I personally know still paid to see the movie twice, wears the t-shirt, and bought at least one version of the DVD (I hang out a comic shop, I know a lot of these folks). That's real cash money in the eyes of Paramount. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

 

[Mach5]

IMO, this once glorious franchise has been relegated to "Batman Status"

I disagree, Batman had a complete format c: thing going on, while Trek went through something different. Our beloved Enterprise is a legitimate part of nuTrek, I take much satisfaction in that.

and I, frankly, place the blame on us.

Us? Dude, you speak as if Trekkies are one big homogeneous group, while in fact there are many factions and groups, and the ones you and I belong to are not to blame.

 

[Yug]

IMO, this once glorious franchise has been relegated to "Batman Status"

I disagree, Batman had a complete format c: thing going on, while Trek went through something different. Our beloved Enterprise is a legitimate part of nuTrek, I take much satisfaction in that.

and I, frankly, place the blame on us.

Us? Dude, you speak as if Trekkies , while in fact there are many factions and groups, and the ones you and I belong to are not to blame.

I agree, but in the mainstream we are ARE one big homogeneous group. We've created our own stigma. Trekkies are nerds, ecclectic and vastly diverse, but when it comes to Trek; still nerds. In some cases it means Paramount thinks we'll eat any slop they feed us, and for the most part we do. And in other cases, Paramount might blame failures of Enterprise and latter films on us as bashers and nitpickers, never happy, which is also possible. It's a vicious circle and a real problem. Not sure what the answer is. We demand quality, sometimes even unrealistically, and almost always inconsistantly. We want Trek on our terms, but our terms may never be profitable or entertaining to anyone outside the community (and to those within) and that hinders the creative process and growth and keeps Trek from progressing, rendering it stale and predictable on the surface. But, I think each Trek show tried something different while still sticking to the same predictable premises to please everybody while attempting to evolve the brand, but it couldn't be done on that level. So how can Paramount gives us what we want and take a different direction?

Enterprise is a good example of something that failed even though it maintained the Trek ethic while attempting to expand the Trek universe. But it was also very aware of itself, not wanting to take too many deviations from what was done before... so in a lot of ways, it was interesting and boring simultaniously. And only now is it being reconsidered as something that was becoming really good and somewhat of a departure.

The new film was a grand first step into taking a new breath on the franchise... because it needed to break away and reboot to grow. And now other avenues are open for Star Trek.

 

[Middleman]

I disagree, Batman had a complete format c: thing going on, while Trek went through something different. Our beloved Enterprise is a legitimate part of nuTrek, I take much satisfaction in that.

What I meant by Batman status is that every 20 years we are going to get a new Kirk and Spock and we will start all over again. I don't know about you, but I saw ALT-CTRL-DELETE in the new movie. I think the days of different story lines, characters, ships and plots are gone. I think that creativity is gone, at least for my life time (hopefully not yours). The beauty of Trek was it's creative "diversity" TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT (yes, I'm catching up). All different, yet held together by a common bond. I really think all I'm ever going to see again is the same Kirk/Spock crap. Don't get me wrong, I liked the movie (saw it twice and bought the blu-ray) but Trek is more than Kirk/Spock.

Us?

Gimme a break, I'm trying to be inclusive here.

Dude, you speak as if Trekkies are one big homogeneous group, while in fact there are many factions and groups, and the ones you and I belong to are not to blame.

I know, and we've said that before. The reaction of many of the so called fans are an issue; those that can't embrace the diversity of the franchise I mentioned above. I also include my self as part of the problem because I abandoned Trek for over 17 years before finding Enterprise. Do you remember my saying at one time: "I'm an Enterprise fan, not necessarily a Star Trek fan". I'm coming around.

 

[Therin of Andor]

We want Trek on our terms...

A Star Trek to satisfy every Star Trek fan at the same time? Can't happen.

 

[Mach5]

We want Trek on our terms...

A Star Trek to satisfy every Star Trek fan at the same time? Can't happen.

Sure it can, you'd just have to drug all the fans first.

 

[SFRabid]

That was a problem for ENT and ST XI, too many trek fans wanted THEIR idea of Trek on screen and nothing else, but there is too many versions of "My trek my way."

 

[Herbert1]

It's a shame that Manny Coto and Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens were brought in so late. I enjoyed season four of Star Trek: Enterprise.