Budweiser Factory Enterprise, Good or Bad Idea?
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The engineering scenes totally looked out of place to me. Every other part of the ship was "space-aged" with flat screen monitors, lights and panels, but engineering is just a huge room with a series of pipes and containers running through it.
Also I have to agree with the previous posts about the "size dimensions" of engineering. Where in some shots it seems "to big" to fit the actual size of enterprise. Apart from that though the rest of the film I really enjoyed and greatly looking forward to the next one.
Also I have to agree with the previous posts about the "size dimensions" of engineering. Where in some shots it seems "to big" to fit the actual size of enterprise. Apart from that though the rest of the film I really enjoyed and greatly looking forward to the next one.
I guess I lobbed that one underhanded..
The break room in the place reminded me of the Star Wars Cantina. Does that count?
I guess the underlying issue is why go cheap when you obviously didn't with the rest of the film.
What took me out of the film only for a moment was the freezer door plastic strips that they had to walk through. Are they still being used in the 23rd century? Seriously?
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Really. I remember those from the steel forging plant I worked at many moons ago. They also had them at the cast iron plant I worked at many, many moons ago. With force field technology available, it would seem those old 20th century plastic strips would be woefully outdated by 2233
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My break room didn't have a band.
So basically you're saying that the brewery doesn't work for you because it's not the same set as the TMP Enterprise's engine room? So what this boils down to is not so much that you hate the brewery, but that you just hate the fact that they didn't use a set from 30 years ago.
Or maybe I'm reading you wrong. Quite frankly, I have no idea what you're trying to prove with that diagram.
I sympathize with their need to save money, but some of the shots - I'm thinking mainly of the big tanks and the parts where a concrete floor is clearly visible. I don't think they need to totally reinvent engineering next time, but I'd like to see them add some CGI and on-set backdrops, to suggest the hull and decks of the ship.
Simple. I can look at the engineering set and get a good idea at where it's located in relationship to the rest of the ship. Same goes for the cargo bay and shuttle bay area. This diagram shows the attention to detail on how the concept artists wanted everything set wise to fit into the Enterprise's structure. A place for everything, and everything in it's place.
If you make the Enterprise's sets into an unorganized brewery, nothing fits. It's too open spaced and it stretches out far too long to fit in any scare that we've seen in the ship so far. With sets like from TPM and so fourth, you not only know what section of the ship you're in, but where it is in the ship. With the brewery, you'll be lucky if you can tell the engineering section, shuttle bay or coolant area apart.
Then there's STV.
You're kinda missing the point. It's meant to be open-plan. The engineering hull is pretty much one huge area that doesn't fit the every-corridor-is-identical template.
And it's not too big to fit in the ship - that's partly why they made the ship bigger, so everything would make sense ("but my size comparison chart is ruined!" everybody cries)
You can tell where the engine room is in the film - the cadets leave the giant hanger and are pretty much in engineering. You can see where the warp cores eject. IMO that's more direct evidence of it's location than TMP.
And it's not too big to fit in the ship - that's partly why they made the ship bigger, so everything would make sense ("but my size comparison chart is ruined!" everybody cries)
You can tell where the engine room is in the film - the cadets leave the giant hanger and are pretty much in engineering. You can see where the warp cores eject. IMO that's more direct evidence of it's location than TMP.
Oh, no King. That's not it at all. I KNOW what the point was. I just like one depiction better than the other.
Oooohhhh. An open-plan Engineering hull that's one big open space without corridors or bulkheads. Kind of like a hip modern office design. I can see the scene now. Enemy ship attacks and knocks out the power to the force-field generators. One small hole in the hull which results in explosive decompression. Then everybody dies. Movie over.
Then there's STV.
Which is a whole different movie than TMP. What has the attention to detail that went into TMP have to do with how they screwed up in STV?
ThisThen there's STV.
Which is a whole different movie than TMP. What has the attention to detail that went into TMP have to do with how they screwed up in STV?
Along with the Enterprise's size "problem" this feels like one of those intractable controversies that can never be made okay for some fans. At this point, I'm just waiting to read about how the Budweiser plant in California was burned down. News cameras taping the manacled arsonist being dragged to paddy wagon shouting: "My cannon was violated! Lava lamp forever!"
Start Trek? Did they make sets for engineering?
Why does everyone compare the original warp core piece from the engineering to a lava lamp? It looks and acts nothing like a lava lamp. The red matter containment tubes are the stuff that resembles a lava lamp, because that actually has this red liquid like substance that's suspended in water!
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