The Narada during Nero's impisonment?

[publiusr]

Something to consider. Narada loses its warp travel capability from Kelvin's collision. Sensors blown all the hell and back. Primative astronomy used to fund the nearest star system that looks habitable. Charts all messed up from travel to the wormhole/blackhole.

Narada is able to move at max impulse--redlined--after repair, at nearly as fast as light speeds resulting in time dilation, so he wont have to wait the full 25 years after all. The system he was headed towards just happens to be a Klingon prison planet, we'll say. A brief stay, the Klingons don't learn much. Kelvin's scans of future tech are returned allowing for Fed ships to have a full 25 year advantage. The Klingon's just pick it up.

A brief stay to wait--not long--for Spock--then its time. This explains why Nero didn't age much, and very little time seems to have passed.

Now--it actually has been 25 years, it just seemed to pass by more quickly due to time dilation.

 

[Set Harth]

We wait for the one who allowed our home to be destroyed. As we've been doing for 25 years.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Nero was never in prison, that was a deleted scene. Just like Martin Madden is not the first officer of the Enterprise-E and Saavik is not half-Romulan.

Oh and Quark never went to Bak'u

Actually, I see no reason why Martin Madden can't be the first officer of the Enterprise E. With Riker and Data gone, someone has to fill the position.

Maybe Abrams realized how stupid that was, and that's why the scene was cut, eh?

So instead we have Nero sitting idle for 25 years, despite the fact that he had the most powerful ship around and could have launched an orbital assault on Earth and Vulcan. That's equally as stupid.

Just imagine how much better this movie could have been if some thought were put into it.

...(shaking my head).

It was a MOVIE...many movies have elements that seem a bit crazy. Like hiding Darth Vader's son on tatooine with people he'd suspect...

Here's the deal...TREK XI was a hit. And the most important part of it being a hit was that it was hip. And it was written the way it was written to sand away some of that NERDY element that Star Trek has attached to it.

I am glad they didn't put 'much thought' into it. The fact it was fun, fast paced, and made tons of money was exactly what the doctor ordered.

Rob

 

[muzzleflash]

I am glad they didn't put 'much thought' into it. The fact it was fun, fast paced, and made tons of money was exactly what the doctor ordered.

Rob

A movie can be all those things and still be well written.

 

[twilitezoner]

I am glad they didn't put 'much thought' into it. The fact it was fun, fast paced, and made tons of money was exactly what the doctor ordered.

Rob

A movie can be all those things and still be well written.

Nero was never in prison, that was a deleted scene. Just like Martin Madden is not the first officer of the Enterprise-E and Saavik is not half-Romulan.

Oh and Quark never went to Bak'u

Actually, I see no reason why Martin Madden can't be the first officer of the Enterprise E. With Riker and Data gone, someone has to fill the position.

Maybe Abrams realized how stupid that was, and that's why the scene was cut, eh?

So instead we have Nero sitting idle for 25 years, despite the fact that he had the most powerful ship around and could have launched an orbital assault on Earth and Vulcan. That's equally as stupid.

Just imagine how much better this movie could have been if some thought were put into it.

...(shaking my head).

It was a MOVIE...many movies have elements that seem a bit crazy. Like hiding Darth Vader's son on tatooine with people he'd suspect...

Here's the deal...TREK XI was a hit. And the most important part of it being a hit was that it was hip. And it was written the way it was written to sand away some of that NERDY element that Star Trek has attached to it.

I am glad they didn't put 'much thought' into it. The fact it was fun, fast paced, and made tons of money was exactly what the doctor ordered.

Rob

Good point Rob, but I don't think nerdy elements or lack there of were keys to the success. Name one science fiction movie without at least a few nerdy elements.

I think having younger actors brought in a broader audience who could relate to them. Which in a way is laughable because you either like the source material or you don't.

It should be very interesting to see where they take the sequel.

 

[JarodRussell]

Like hiding Darth Vader's son on tatooine with people he'd suspect...

Bad example, because that part got only screwed up with a subsequent movie, but not with the original.

 

[USS Kongo]

When I first saw Star Trek, it was on DVD, and I had not read the comic, nor the novelization.

Going from just the film, I assumed Nero was busy fixing his ship during the years that Kirk grew up. Kirk's father rammed the Kelvin straight down the Narada's throat, which most likely caused catastrophic damage. The ship would have been badly crippled. And here was the Narada without a space dock to pull into.

Would they have spare parts? If not, they would have to make their own. Fixing a badly damaged ship under these conditions would have been a major undertaking, which may well have taken years.

Bear in mind--from not having read the comic--I had no knowledge of the Narada being able to heal itself because it had Borg parts. I'm just going by the film itself, which does not state that the ship is made from Borg parts. This meant that the crew would had to have fixed her on their own.

Uhura's line about the 47 Klingon ships getting destroyed simply told me that Nero was very busy on his own during this time. Perhaps he was testing his newly repaired ship against the Klingons before turning it against his hated enemies. Or maybe he just ran into the Klingons and decided to mop the floor with them.

And then there was Nero's line about waiting for Spock to return before attacking Vulcan. Which would explain why he waited even after repairs on the Narada were completed.

I saw the deleted prison scenes on the DVD and thought they were very interesting (I really liked Abrams' more mysterious take on the Klingons). But they were cut from the film, and as such remain just a curiosity on the sidelines. As far as I'm concerned, Nero was never captured by the Klingons.

The point I'm making is there was enough information presented in the film to make me realize that Nero was very busy while Kirk grew up: fixing a badly damaged ship while far off from home. It was clear for me that Nero was off having his own adventures during this time (and this would be a great idea for a fanfic).

Sean

 

[JarodRussell]

Either way it makes little sense. Why was the Narada so heavily armored when they met the Kelvin (Nero states they are only miners. Today's oil platforms don't have torpedoes or cruise missiles, and they couldn't sink a 18th century battleship)?

Nero was insane, I get that. But for 25 years? His crew is totally loyal to him, even after that timespan. This is one of the issues I have with the non-existant character development in this movie. Even after 25 years (and probably after 25 years in prison), everyone is who he was at the beginning.

The Kelvin heavily damaged the Narada. Let's say Nero and crew were indeed prisoners of the Klingons for 25 years. Who repaired the Narada? The Klingons? If they were able to get a look at the Narada for 25 years, then they wouldn't have lost 47 ships against her. Seriously, no.

If Nero wasn't in prison, what the hell did he do for 25 years? Being totally pissed off at everything but doing nothing? I don't buy that. And what was his crew doing for 25 years? Playing chess while their boss sits around waiting for someone?

And all of a sudden, the Narada seems to be hundred times more powerful. It took her 10 minutes to destroy the Kelvin, and she couldn't stop the ship. But it took her only 50 seconds to destroy 7 starships that were 25 years more advanced than the Kelvin, and 47 Klingon ships.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Either way it makes little sense. Why was the Narada so heavily armored when they met the Kelvin (Nero states they are only miners. Today's oil platforms don't have torpedoes or cruise missiles, and they couldn't sink a 18th century battleship)?

Because its a ship not a oil platform. It travels around, near and through hostile territories and may meet up with pirates or other hostiles. As a mining ship is probably carries valuable cargo. It going to have some form of self defense like merchantmen and cargo vessels did in the age of sail and up to the 20th Century.

Nero was insane, I get that. But for 25 years? His crew is totally loyal to him, even after that timespan. This is one of the issues I have with the non-existant character development in this movie. Even after 25 years (and probably after 25 years in prison), everyone is who he was at the beginning.

I'm sure objection was dealt with harshly. 25 years in prison or "exile" would strengthen their bond. This wasn't a character piece about how men in prison change. Nor was a long speech by Nero or Ayel about how they've change needed.

The Kelvin heavily damaged the Narada. Let's say Nero and crew were indeed prisoners of the Klingons for 25 years. Who repaired the Narada? The Klingons? If they were able to get a look at the Narada for 25 years, then they wouldn't have lost 47 ships against her. Seriously, no.

Didn't happen on screen so why worry about it?

If Nero wasn't in prison, what the hell did he do for 25 years? Being totally pissed off at everything but doing nothing? I don't buy that. And what was his crew doing for 25 years? Playing chess while their boss sits around waiting for someone?

Repairing the ship. It might take awhile in the 23rd Century. Romulans are long lived 25 years may not see like a long time to them.

And all of a sudden, the Narada seems to be hundred times more powerful. It took her 10 minutes to destroy the Kelvin, and she couldn't stop the ship. But it took her only 50 seconds to destroy 7 starships that were 25 years more advanced than the Kelvin, and 47 Klingon ships.

I guess those 25 years were put to good use, then.

 

[Set Harth]

But they were cut from the film, and as such remain just a curiosity on the sidelines.

However, the connection made by Kirk which linked the location of the Kelvin incident with the Rura Penthe transmission remained in the film. If the film did not intend to suggest that Nero and his crew were at the Klingon prison, the location of the Kelvin incident would be irrelevant, and its citation in the film presumably would have been omitted.

 

[USS Kongo]

But they were cut from the film, and as such remain just a curiosity on the sidelines.

However, the connection made by Kirk which linked the location of the Kelvin incident with the Rura Penthe transmission remained in the film. If the film did not intend to suggest that Nero and his crew were at the Klingon prison, the location of the Kelvin incident would be irrelevant, and its citation in the film presumably would have been omitted.

If you really believed that either Nero or his crew were captives of the Klingons, then more power to you. As the final cut of the film stands, what happened in this subplot is open for interpetation, and my take on it was that they were never captured.

Now, if Abrams wants to release a special edition of the film with the Klingon prison scenes reinserted, that'll be a different story altogether.

Sean

 

[DonIago]

And all of a sudden, the Narada seems to be hundred times more powerful. It took her 10 minutes to destroy the Kelvin, and she couldn't stop the ship. But it took her only 50 seconds to destroy 7 starships that were 25 years more advanced than the Kelvin, and 47 Klingon ships.

Much as Khan didn't just blow up the Enterprise when he had the chance because he wanted to talk to Kirk first, Nero didn't destroy the Kelvin initially because he needed information that Robau had.

 

[Set Harth]

If you really believed that either Nero or his crew were captives of the Klingons, then more power to you.

The ear and the mind-meld help to sell it IMO.

As the final cut of the film stands, what happened in this subplot is open for interpetation

That seems to be the position taken by the writers after the fact.

 

[The Wormhole]

Here's the deal...TREK XI was a hit. And the most important part of it being a hit was that it was hip. And it was written the way it was written to sand away some of that NERDY element that Star Trek has attached to it.

I am glad they didn't put 'much thought' into it. The fact it was fun, fast paced, and made tons of money was exactly what the doctor ordered.

So, according to you, the only way to insure that a movie is a hit these days is to slap a script together that lacks logic and thought?

Makes sese, I guess. Why else are the Transformers movies such money-makers?

But this does not mean I have to like these kinds of movies. If wanting quality from my movies is nerdy, than I proudly call myself a nerd.

 

[USS Kongo]

If you really believed that either Nero or his crew were captives of the Klingons, then more power to you.

The ear and the mind-meld help to sell it IMO.

Yes--again, it's all open for interpetation.

As the final cut of the film stands, what happened in this subplot is open for interpetation

That seems to be the position taken by the writers after the fact.

What choice do they have, now? The prison scenes they wrote and were filmed wound up on the cutting room floor.

Sean

 

[Set Harth]

They learned it by watching Lucas.

 

[Geckothan]

The Narada got sucked in a giant plot hole before re-emerging 25 years later.

 

[Peter the Younger]

There are many possible explanations for what Nero and the Narada were doing all that time. I'd rather leave it vague than use the explanation where Klingons, once again, act like idiots.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There are many possible explanations for what Nero and the Narada were doing all that time. I'd rather leave it vague than use the explanation where Klingons, once again, act like idiots.

Its what they do.

 

[Peter the Younger]

There are many possible explanations for what Nero and the Narada were doing all that time. I'd rather leave it vague than use the explanation where Klingons, once again, act like idiots.

Its what they do.

I always look back to that scene in TNG, where the Klingon captain tries to head-butt Data, as the moment where they went from being threatening adversaries to hilarious space cavemen.