Lost 6x08: "Recon"

[Trippy]

I think the Kate-in-the-elevator thing was that he recognized a 'connection' with her, like Jack and his appendix, Charlie and his 'I was supposed to die" and so on. If we see any more of the scene at the end of "Recon" then I think Sawyer will either let her go, or make friendly with her

 

[Agent Richard07]

Does that mean that in the alternate timeline Ben and Danielle are together?

Maybe Ben and Danielle will get together in the end and Ben will be a father to Alex again. Could happen.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

I kind of wonder if these Flashsideways have alot to do with the choices that these characters have to make to get to their destiny, a theory that i think has been mentioned in that island is purgatory thread. But yeah these people guest starring in our Losties' fashforwards, I'm not sure if people have noticed are dead and some that have even died on the island. So possibly MiB/Cerberus is posing as these people witnessing what choice our Lostie is gonna make. Say this is a world where Jacob never influenced, but MiB/Cerberus is still around to manipulate. I dunno.

Although Kate's episode, I'm not quite sure who it could be, if not Claire, if she's even really dead or not, which I doubt at this point being corporeal and all.

In Locke's episode, you could say Helen is encouraging Locke to go see Jack for that consultation.

In Ben's episode, you could either say Alex was the crutch of being the influence or possibly even Locke for getting the whole "you should be the principal" idea in his head.

In Sayid's epsiode, I'd say Keami would be, giving Sayid the choice of showing mercy or death, in which he chose death.

And as for Jack's, I guess you could say Dogen, but his appearance didn't really show any relevancy. Same with Sawyers episode, although Charlotte died on the island, her appearance didn't show that much relevancy either, unless you can count that Sawyer had the choice of not overreacting and kicking her out and could have been more open with her. Like she said, "you blew it"

so i dunno, almost a good theory. thoughts?

 

[Morpheus 02]

Don't know if this has been mentioned...but i wonder if there's more to Swyer being paired with Miles...Miles speaks with the dead. Could this mean a sad fate for the Island Sawyer????

Just a quick speculation..

 

[Checkmate]

I think it has more to do with the simple fact that they worked together as part of the Dharma Initiative more than some mysterious bond between the two.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Now they're just throwing shit together for the factor. Miles and Sawyer together as cops?

It does seem that way, yeah. That's one of the reasons these flashes bother me. There is no rhyme or reason to them (as far as I can tell so far). All the other crazy flashes at least had a context.

The context is that the characters all made some "right" choice in their flash sideways, or had better luck. Ben didn't stay on the island and go nuts over power, so that he was able to sacrifice power for Alex rather than the reverse. Sawyer decided to become a cop and not a criminal. So far, Hurley, Claire and Locke seem to be the beneficiaries of better luck rather than better choices, but they're not self-defeating morons like some of the characters - Sawyer, Kate and Jack are probably the worst in that regard.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

Does Miles still have his medium ability in the flashsideways world?

 

[RoJoHen]

The context is that the characters all made some "right" choice in their flash sideways, or had better luck.

I meant context within the overall story, how it relates to the people on the Island.

I know you're of the theory that these the flashes this season is unrelated to the Island, but I refuse to believe that.

 

[Brent]

Does Miles still have his medium ability in the flashsideways world?

We haven't been shown this specifically, but if my theory is correct, then no, because the islands effects aren't part of this universe.

 

[DonIago]

Now they're just throwing shit together for the factor. Miles and Sawyer together as cops?

It does seem that way, yeah. That's one of the reasons these flashes bother me. There is no rhyme or reason to them (as far as I can tell so far). All the other crazy flashes at least had a context.

The context is that the characters all made some "right" choice in their flash sideways, or had better luck. Ben didn't stay on the island and go nuts over power, so that he was able to sacrifice power for Alex rather than the reverse. Sawyer decided to become a cop and not a criminal. So far, Hurley, Claire and Locke seem to be the beneficiaries of better luck rather than better choices, but they're not self-defeating morons like some of the characters - Sawyer, Kate and Jack are probably the worst in that regard.

You forgot about Sayid, who appears to have neither had better luck nor made more "right" choices.

 

[Checkmate]

Jin and Sun aren't married, either, and all of the "right" decisions Jin made in the main timeline (such as accepting Sun as an equal and discovering just how much he really loved her) apparently didn't occur in the alternate one. Hence him being beaten and locked in a freezer. It's also unconfirmed if Sun is pregnant or not in the alternate timeline.

Lock's life is still miserable, too. The only change we've really seen is that he's married and has apparently forgiven his father, but neither of those choices have made him even remotely happy or lucky.

 

[DonIago]

I'd say Locke overall is doing better than he was...at least in the alternate timeline he -is- getting married and -does- seem to be getting along with his father.

Hell, he's happy enough that he gave up a chance of regaining his ability to walk.

 

[Mallet]

Sun "shouldn't" be pregnant in the flashsideways, since she conceived the baby while on the Island and Jin is impotent in the real world (the island's healing abilities are what helped make the pregnancy happen).

Sun also might not know English in the alternate reality, since she only learned English because she planned to run away from Jin, but if there are not married in this reality then she wouldn't have had to to run away.

But then who knows what might have happened in the alternate reality.

 

[DevilEyes]

Lock's life is still miserable, too. The only change we've really seen is that he's married and has apparently forgiven his father, but neither of those choices have made him even remotely happy or lucky.

The only change?

Are you serious? He has happy relationships with the two most important people in his life, but you regard that as a minor change?

Sun "shouldn't" be pregnant in the flashsideways, since she conceived the baby while on the Island and Jin is impotent in the real world (the island's healing abilities are what helped make the pregnancy happen).

Sun also might not know English in the alternate reality, since she only learned English because she planned to run away from Jin, but if there are not married in this reality then she wouldn't have had to to run away.

But then who knows what might have happened in the alternate reality.

Um, Jin is infertile, not impotent. Otherwise I think their marriage/relationship would be in a lot more trouble than it was...

 

[Mallet]

Um, Jin is infertile, not impotent. Otherwise I think their marriage/relationship would be in a lot more trouble than it was...

Right, whatever, either way the Island was just the right type love potion he needed to get the little guys moving again.

 

[Hermiod]

An Above Average from me. Good seeing Rebecca Mader back, I'm glad that whatever problems they had over the whole age thing have been resolved.

 

[Starbreaker]

Are you talking about Ben giving the wrong birth date for her? There was never any animosity between her and the showrunners reported. She was originally just supposed to be on the show for a handful of episodes, but they kept asking her back.

 

[Hermiod]

Are you talking about Ben giving the wrong birth date for her? There was never any animosity between her and the showrunners reported. She was originally just supposed to be on the show for a handful of episodes, but they kept asking her back.

There was a little bit of animosity when Lindelhof and Cuse blamed it on her changing the age of her character on set. Mader wasn't pleased with that until they apologised.

 

[doubleohfive]

I thought the whole issue was an error made by the script coordinator? Either way, what's the source (for reference?)

 

[coolghoul]

Sawyer did admit that he joined the police force for revenge. So he might not be the most dedicated cop on certain matters. Plus, I think he just liked Kate.

I completely agree with that. He asked the cops what's going on and they were all "sir, please mind your own business" at which he shrugs and says something like "fine, if you don't want me to help"

Plus - this is Sawyer - it doesn't matter if he's a cop, he's still selfish, it's only in this episode that he learns to trust other people.

Which brings me to "correlation" that exists between the flash-sideways and the island events. In the correlation, Sawyer finally starts trusting other people enough to let them in on what's going on with him. Is that what is meant by him being plain with Kate?

Also - I didn't see the Sawyer con on the island. He was truthful to both Widmore and Flocke (thanks, label) - he told Widmore what he's going to tell Flocke (and he does tell Flocke that's what he told Widmore) and also tells Flocke that we'll just have to approach the island from the opposite direction.

I am surprised tho' that Sawyer assumed that Widmore wasn't a Flocke supporter. What if Widmore is part of Flocke's flock? Widmore hated Ben for becoming the leader and exiling him and also probably hated Jacob too from that point onwards. So, why aren't Widmore and Flocke in cahoots?

Also, it was very interesting to me to see that Sawyer was not a conman in the flash-sideways. I think that might mean that Jin and Sun are not married. I wonder what will happen in order to make them fall in love with each other in the flash-sideways.