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To school, or not to school . . .

In that way, I think med students are a bit safer than law students. There are some degrees worth going into debt for, but it seems that those are becoming fewer.

True, I think.


Both of you need to price Malpractice Insurance. A lot of doctors are getting out of the practice of medicine for that exact reason. A friend of mine is an anesthesiologist and he has hinted at how expensive his MI is.

I don't need to price it. I pay it. :D

(yes, I know US rates are considerably higher - but so is remuneration - and yes, my speciality is not quite the highest priced - but it's still quite expensive relative to some other specialities, so I feel the point stands)
 
True, I think.


Both of you need to price Malpractice Insurance. A lot of doctors are getting out of the practice of medicine for that exact reason. A friend of mine is an anesthesiologist and he has hinted at how expensive his MI is.

I don't need to price it. I pay it. :D

(yes, I know US rates are considerably higher - but so is remuneration - and yes, my speciality is not quite the highest priced - but it's still quite expensive relative to some other specialities, so I feel the point stands)
I thought UK doctors did not need Malpractice Insurance:confused:
I always thought that people just sued the NHS.
 
Both of you need to price Malpractice Insurance. A lot of doctors are getting out of the practice of medicine for that exact reason. A friend of mine is an anesthesiologist and he has hinted at how expensive his MI is.

I don't need to price it. I pay it. :D

(yes, I know US rates are considerably higher - but so is remuneration - and yes, my speciality is not quite the highest priced - but it's still quite expensive relative to some other specialities, so I feel the point stands)
I thought UK doctors did not need Malpractice Insurance:confused:
I always thought that people just sued the NHS.

You're covered by NHS Indemnity for NHS work. However, this merely covers the bill, but doesn't really protect your rights if the shit hits the fan. Would you be happy just trusting your employer (the NHS Trust in this case) to protect your rights if something went wrong? Nope! The employer is just interested in ending the case ASAP with as little cost as possible, even if that means admitting liability and agreeing an out of court settlement. And that has an impact on your record as a doctor. So most (sensible) doctors will also have a second policy with a private insurer to look directly after your interests and if necessary liaise with your employer and other parties to ensure your interests are protected as much as possible. Common insurers are the Medical Defence Union and Medical Protection Society, though there are others too (their policies are usually underwritten by a bigger insurer, IIRC). This second policy covers you for any private work you do, any "good samaritan acts" (helping someone out randomly in the street, plane, whatever) and also provide you with better legal and other advisory teams even in NHS situations. It's wise to have such a policy IMO. Rates are low when you're just starting out as a junior doc in the NHS, but rapidly climb as you specialise, do more private work, etc, etc, etc. As I mentioned, they're still about an order of magnitude (if not more in some specialities) less than US rates for the same but they're increasing all the time as the rate of lawsuits increases...
 
Good luck! I went to the local community college for my first two years. It cost about $500 in books per semester plus some very small miscellaneous fees. That was it. Compared to the university (which in many ways is inferior in obtaining an education) which would have been at least a few thousand per year in fees. Those were both after a scholarship that the state grants to every HS grad if they go straight into college.

Holy cow! I should have went there! :lol:
After fees and everything, my AA at Phoenix Online was going to be $12,000!
 
Good luck! I went to the local community college for my first two years. It cost about $500 in books per semester plus some very small miscellaneous fees. That was it. Compared to the university (which in many ways is inferior in obtaining an education) which would have been at least a few thousand per year in fees. Those were both after a scholarship that the state grants to every HS grad if they go straight into college.

Holy cow! I should have went there! :lol:
After fees and everything, my AA at Phoenix Online was going to be $12,000!
Yeah, it's a huge blessing that the legislature provides such a scholarship. It helps so many people out here.
 
In Hard Times, Lured Into Trade School and Debt


One fast–growing American industry has become a conspicuous beneficiary of the recession: for–profit colleges and trade schools.
At institutions that train students for careers in areas like health care, computers and food service, enrollments are soaring as people anxious about weak job prospects borrow aggressively to pay tuition that can exceed $30,000 a year.


But the profits have come at substantial taxpayer expense while often delivering dubious benefits to students, according to academics and advocates for greater oversight of financial aid. Critics say many schools exaggerate the value of their degree programs, selling young people on dreams of middle–class wages while setting them up for default on untenable debts, low–wage work and a struggle to avoid poverty. And the schools are harvesting growing federal student aid dollars, including Pell grants awarded to low–income students.


"If these programs keep growing, you're going to wind up with more and more students who are graduating and can't find meaningful employment," said Rafael I. Pardo, a professor at Seattle University School of Law and an expert on educational finance. "They can't generate income needed to pay back their loans, and they're going to end up in financial distress."
For–profit trade schools have long drawn accusations that they overpromise and underdeliver, but the woeful economy has added to the industry's opportunities along with the risks to students, according to education experts. They say these schools have exploited the recession as a lucrative recruiting device while tapping a larger pool of federal student aid.


Click on the link to read the rest.
 
Yeah, it's bachelors, masters, doctorate.

Which is why this whole system is so screwed up. Some of us really don't want to go through that much schooling.

You don't have to go through that much schooling. Certain jobs require certain degrees but many jobs don't involve going to graduate school. Hell, my brother-in-law and his wife both make a decent living and own a house and neither of them have their bachelors.

I was just noting the (simplified version of) progression because there was some confusion earlier in the thread.
 
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And they probably still got job applicants...
 
TheGallifreyanSith said:
My wife's employer is (if the rumor mill out of the DM office telling the truth) looking at paying management level (shift and above) to take courses to certify as Pharmacy-techs, and GMs as Pharmacist. I told her if they do it (BIG IF cause it seems to good), she needs to go for it.

Where do you live? I know it's not California, cause Pharmacist degrees are Doctorates here--and they're in pretty good demand. 10yrs ago, when Hubby graduated and we moved to Fresno, pharmacists were making around $35/hr -- yeah, doctors paid hourly wages. Now, they're making just over $60/hr. (And if you're willing to work in a prison, $90/hr--I won't let Hubby work in a prison)
 
TheGallifreyanSith said:
My wife's employer is (if the rumor mill out of the DM office telling the truth) looking at paying management level (shift and above) to take courses to certify as Pharmacy-techs, and GMs as Pharmacist. I told her if they do it (BIG IF cause it seems to good), she needs to go for it.

Where do you live? I know it's not California, cause Pharmacist degrees are Doctorates here--and they're in pretty good demand. 10yrs ago, when Hubby graduated and we moved to Fresno, pharmacists were making around $35/hr -- yeah, doctors paid hourly wages. Now, they're making just over $60/hr. (And if you're willing to work in a prison, $90/hr--I won't let Hubby work in a prison)
TN

The company claims they can get you certified for TN only as a tech in 12 weeks, 3 days of class a week; Pharmacist 32 weeks, 3 days a week-- TN certified only.

Honestly, I don't think that sounds right.
 
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