I'm not sure if this has being done before but if so you can delete this thread. Which character do you think got stronger and developed the most over the series? 
Character Development
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Damn those grey hairs.Harry Kim. If you watched Endgame first and then went back to watch Caretaker you wouldn't recognise him.
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With the exception of the characters that were written with inherent mobility none of the characters really changed all that much.
The Doctor had to change. The idea of him being as hostile as he was in the last episode as he was in the first wouldn't have been reasonable or well received. He had to change. Seven of Nine, by the nature of being snatched back from the Collective, had to change. In her case the change was accelerated but the idea remains the same- she couldn't be the same "put me back in" drone she was in Scorpion in Endgame... or it wouldn't have made any sense. (She did tend to use the "I am borg" comment a lot in seeming contradiction to that personal growth, but this is Voyager, so whatever on that note.)
Torres got softer. The Captain was occasionally portrayed as wiser (when the plot called for it) but the rest of them weren't written with inherent mobility (or if they were it was squandered before the end of the pilot.) "Here's an acorn. Here's an Oak Tree. Just accept that the acorn grew into this Oak Tree. We can't show you how... just trust us on this one."
The Doctor had to change. The idea of him being as hostile as he was in the last episode as he was in the first wouldn't have been reasonable or well received. He had to change. Seven of Nine, by the nature of being snatched back from the Collective, had to change. In her case the change was accelerated but the idea remains the same- she couldn't be the same "put me back in" drone she was in Scorpion in Endgame... or it wouldn't have made any sense. (She did tend to use the "I am borg" comment a lot in seeming contradiction to that personal growth, but this is Voyager, so whatever on that note.)
Torres got softer. The Captain was occasionally portrayed as wiser (when the plot called for it) but the rest of them weren't written with inherent mobility (or if they were it was squandered before the end of the pilot.) "Here's an acorn. Here's an Oak Tree. Just accept that the acorn grew into this Oak Tree. We can't show you how... just trust us on this one."
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And he wore red!Damn those grey hairs.Harry Kim. If you watched Endgame first and then went back to watch Caretaker you wouldn't recognise him.
7 years on, I can imagine still thinking that buying magic beans off Quark is a great idea.
I mean if Tom fell for "sister" Dalla's patter, it's not if Kim pulled himself up by his bootstraps to be as cunning and crafty as the most impressively bad ass in Voyager's Starfleet crew, he'd still be as slack witted as a modern day 7 year old with a learning disability.
I mean if Tom fell for "sister" Dalla's patter, it's not if Kim pulled himself up by his bootstraps to be as cunning and crafty as the most impressively bad ass in Voyager's Starfleet crew, he'd still be as slack witted as a modern day 7 year old with a learning disability.
B'Elanna. With Tom, Chakotay, Tuvok and Janeway's constant attention she finally stopped running and faced her deepest fears.
Not until Lineage, quite a bit late in the game. She was a walking reset button.
I go with Harry on this one. The others changed, but really just exaggerations of character traits they already had in the beginning, and in Tom's case blatant 'bad rebel goes good family man' cheese.
Harry literally went from apologetic, naive newbie to cynical, stubborn, veteran, slowly and steadily, thus believably.
The Doctor. It was a terrific journey watching him go from "the EMH" to a person with his own hopes and ambitions in life, and the will to see them through.
Janeway was never developed because no one ever settled on what they wanted her character to BE to begin with.
Chakotay is a boring yes-man except in a select few episodes where the righters deem it acceptable to give him a personality.
Tuvok is an interesting character to me, but greatly underused and often poorly utilized.
Harry....poor, dumb Harry. That about sums it up.
Tom actually had some nice growth throughout the show.
Seven did too, I think.
Torres had less "get pissed off" episodes and more "get screwed" or "fix stuff" episodes as time went on, so I guess that's something. But as a character, she never changed all that much.
Janeway was never developed because no one ever settled on what they wanted her character to BE to begin with.
Chakotay is a boring yes-man except in a select few episodes where the righters deem it acceptable to give him a personality.
Tuvok is an interesting character to me, but greatly underused and often poorly utilized.
Harry....poor, dumb Harry. That about sums it up.
Tom actually had some nice growth throughout the show.
Seven did too, I think.
Torres had less "get pissed off" episodes and more "get screwed" or "fix stuff" episodes as time went on, so I guess that's something. But as a character, she never changed all that much.
Neelix. In the beginning all he did is get jealous and complain about metreon radiation.
Junk trader -> cook -> ambassador were all upgrades in status.
Junk trader -> cook -> ambassador were all upgrades in status.
I don't know if I'd call him the most improved over the course of the series but I always really liked Tuvok. It was cool to finally have another Vulcan crew member...and Russ played the role very well imo, despite not getting as much screen time as some others.
If they had it to do over again, wouldn't be surprised if the Tuvok character was J's XO.
If they had it to do over again, wouldn't be surprised if the Tuvok character was J's XO.
Harry.
He went from a twenty-two year-old who was wide-eyed and completely inexperienced to a twenty-nine year-old who was wide-eyed and completely inexperienced.
He went from a twenty-two year-old who was wide-eyed and completely inexperienced to a twenty-nine year-old who was wide-eyed and completely inexperienced.
The first time was in Emanations when he had to kill himself to get back to his dimension, and the last time was in Timeless when his future self got blowed up real good.
Hear, hear.
Tuvok didn't change at all, and was quite under-utilized. He could have been as awesome as Spock.
Chakotay was annoying when he was around, particularly in the later seasons. He was okay when the integration of the Maquis into the Voyager crew was still ongoing. The writers didn't do him any favors, IMO.
Janeway couldn't decide which way to go, but that was due to poor writing as well. Kate Mulgrew did a marvelous job playing her, though.
I always liked Harry, so I'm not bothered by the fact that he didn't change so much. Even though he did mature a bit, and claimed he was no longer the same man after 5 years.
Tom Paris didn't improve much. He never got over his excessive fascination for childish games (Captain Proton) or vehicles of any description. IMO Alice was welcome to him! He did steady B'Elanna a bit, though, so I guess that's good.
B'Elanna steadied a bit and came to terms with her Klingon ancestry, but other than that she didn't develop much IMO.
Neelix was horrid as long as he and Kes were together. When their co-dependent relationship ended, he improved quite a bit. I liked the way he was with Naomi Wildman, for example.
I hated losing Kes, so to start with I really loathed Seven. Imagine my surprise when she became quite an interesting character. I'm glad they gave her some decent character development, even if her mere existence did a lot to ruin the menace of the Borg.
The Doctor had to change. Just by how much, watch Life Line. Early on, he was as obnoxious as Dr Zimmerman, with a bedside manner to match. But he turned into a very good character.
But it didn't stick.
In video game terms he "spawned?", right?
Surely that's like a reboot which the opposite of development?
It's like that Simpson's where at the end they discuss the moral of their adventure and Homer says "Well I guess then, that we learnt nothing at all."
I give up, what were his other two deaths?
(Relativity and Year of Hell?)
Hmm? Did they keep harry's corpse for spare parts?
Maybe Harry should have set up Lyndsay with his corpse if he was almost nearly what she was drawn to in a man? How hard would it have been for her to reanimate?
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