Star Trek: Generations Review
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He does actually elaborate on his position with "Nemesis" in one of the later reviews - something along the lines of that although is itsn't a good film and does have many flaws, in terms of composition and structure it is better than the previous NextGen movies.
What does Trek XI have to do with how good or bad the TNG movies are?
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Char Aznable
Lieutenant Commander
Watch CM's review of Nemesis then watch his review of XI. Normally I'd agree with your mentality, but when someone bashes XI yet treats NEM like gold, I seriously question your credibility.
Anyway, CMs reviews suck in general and he has a complete inability to interpret movies unless the movie holds him by the fucking hand.
Says who? Remember, Picard hadn't truly been in a real confrontation with the Borg since BOBW. I'Borg, he found a lone drone and in Decent, it was an offshoot of the collective. The two situations are not comparable.
Like gold? Hardly. See my other post.
Briguy:
Um, I don't think that I brought up those other names in reference to Kirk's death. I'm fine with the way those other characters were done in, but while you mention it nobody besides people on these boards even know who Trip and Tasha Yar are. There was no reason to kill off the most visible symbol of ST in such a meaningless way. It was the symbolic death of ST's mass popularity until Kirk and Spock returned in 2009.
I agree that there was no need for Kirk to even be in "Generations". He served no purpose other than giving him a pointless death scene in a very disjointed an illogical film. The entire nexus concept is just ridiculous.
Sorry, but "Generations" is a pretty poor fim.
Um, I don't think that I brought up those other names in reference to Kirk's death. I'm fine with the way those other characters were done in, but while you mention it nobody besides people on these boards even know who Trip and Tasha Yar are. There was no reason to kill off the most visible symbol of ST in such a meaningless way. It was the symbolic death of ST's mass popularity until Kirk and Spock returned in 2009.
I agree that there was no need for Kirk to even be in "Generations". He served no purpose other than giving him a pointless death scene in a very disjointed an illogical film. The entire nexus concept is just ridiculous.
Sorry, but "Generations" is a pretty poor fim.
Seems as good a time as any to trot out my alternate ending...
The movie is unchanged up until the point where Kirk and Picard leave the Nexus and confront Soran. At which point, they ultimately fail to stop the mad El-Aurian, the missile still goes off and they wind up right back in the Nexus.
“Well,” Kirk remarked, “that didn’t work.”
“We’re picking the wrong time period,” Picard surmised, “but I can’t just throw him in the brig without some justification.”
“Wait a minute,” Kirk said, “didn’t you say he was on the Enterprise-B?”
“Yes, when it encountered the Nexus, and you were…”
Kirk ignored the last bit, “Captain, go back to whatever point you want before this mess started. I’ve got an idea that just might fix everything.”
Picard paused, then said, “I hope you know what you’re doing.”
“So do I.”
The two men shook hands. “Good luck, Captain,” Picard said.
“You, too, Captain.”
The screen goes white, as we leave the Nexus for…
Sickbay on the Enterprise-B. A frantic and bloodied Soran struggled with Chekov. “No! Don’t you see, I’ve got to get back!”
A hand clamped down on Soran’s shoulder and spun him around. He found himself staring into the intense eyes of Captain Kirk.
“Come with me,” Kirk said.
“Keptin?”
“Not now, Chekov,” as Kirk hurried the confused Soran out of the crowded sickbay.
The Enterprise-B is rocked violently by another discharge from the Nexus, as Kirk and Soran reach the main deflector control room.
“You understand what you have to do?” Kirk asked.
“Yes, Captain,” Soran said, still slightly frantic, but with a fresh determination. “Thank you.”
“Don’t mention it, now GO!”
Kirk watched from the doorway as Soran quickly made the adjustments to the defelctor.
“Cap’n,” Scotty said over the intercom, “we need that deflector pulse in one minute or we’re all dead!”
“Now you know how it feels,” Kirk said under his breath, then louder, “Almost ready, stand by!”
Soran finished the adjustments, then stepped back, and turned to face the forward bulkhead, his arms outstretched in anticipation.
“NOW, SCOTTY!” Kirk yelled as he sprinted down the corridor.
The graviton pulse lanced out from the Enterprise-B’s deflector dish, breaking the hold of the Nexus on the ship. As the ship pulls away, one last tendril reached out and took a ragged bite out of the secondary hull.
Scotty came lumbering around the corner to see Kirk looking out into gash in the hull, just beyond the environmental force field that stood between them and the hard vacuum of open space.
“Are ye all right, Cap’n?”
“I’m fine, Scotty.”
Scotty looked out into the void. “Was there anyone in there?”
“Yeah, one of the El-Aurians.”
“Poor soul.”
“He’ll be fine.”
Scott looked at his captain like he’d just grown a second head.
“I’ll explain later.”
Harriman and Chekov came running down the corridor.
“Captain Harriman,” Kirk said, “What do you say we get this ship back to Earth and these refugees some proper medical care? I’ve got a few choice words for the headquarters genius who decided to send this ship out with only half her systems installed…”
Flash forward seventy-eight years, the bridge of the Enterprise-D.
“Message coming in for you, Captain,” Worf reported. “Your brother, thanking you for your warning about the malfunctioning heating unit.”
“Thank you, Mr. Worf,” Picard said, suppressing a smile.
Counselor Troi gave him a look, sensing his emotional uptick. “Something you’d like to talk about, Captain?”
“Later, Counselor.”
“We should start getting ready,” Riker said, “Mr. Worf’s promotion ceremony is in just a couple hours.”
Picard heard the Klingon growl.
“Number One, perhaps we should rethink the scenario for Mr. Worf’s promotion. After all, it is his party.”
Worf let out a sigh of relief. “I will have an alternative prepared within the hour.”
“No hurry, Mr. Worf, and no need for theatrics if you don’t want them. If you want to go with a simple ceremony in Ten Forward, that will quite all right.”
“Thank you, Captain. I will make arrangements with Guinan.”
“Mr. Data, how long until we reach the Armagosa Array?”
“ETA two hours, fifteen minutes at our current speed.”
“Very good. You have the conn, Number One. I’ll be in my quarters, following up on that message from my brother.”
The Enterprise-D sails off, movie ends, everybody’s happy.
The movie is unchanged up until the point where Kirk and Picard leave the Nexus and confront Soran. At which point, they ultimately fail to stop the mad El-Aurian, the missile still goes off and they wind up right back in the Nexus.
“Well,” Kirk remarked, “that didn’t work.”
“We’re picking the wrong time period,” Picard surmised, “but I can’t just throw him in the brig without some justification.”
“Wait a minute,” Kirk said, “didn’t you say he was on the Enterprise-B?”
“Yes, when it encountered the Nexus, and you were…”
Kirk ignored the last bit, “Captain, go back to whatever point you want before this mess started. I’ve got an idea that just might fix everything.”
Picard paused, then said, “I hope you know what you’re doing.”
“So do I.”
The two men shook hands. “Good luck, Captain,” Picard said.
“You, too, Captain.”
The screen goes white, as we leave the Nexus for…
Sickbay on the Enterprise-B. A frantic and bloodied Soran struggled with Chekov. “No! Don’t you see, I’ve got to get back!”
A hand clamped down on Soran’s shoulder and spun him around. He found himself staring into the intense eyes of Captain Kirk.
“Come with me,” Kirk said.
“Keptin?”
“Not now, Chekov,” as Kirk hurried the confused Soran out of the crowded sickbay.
The Enterprise-B is rocked violently by another discharge from the Nexus, as Kirk and Soran reach the main deflector control room.
“You understand what you have to do?” Kirk asked.
“Yes, Captain,” Soran said, still slightly frantic, but with a fresh determination. “Thank you.”
“Don’t mention it, now GO!”
Kirk watched from the doorway as Soran quickly made the adjustments to the defelctor.
“Cap’n,” Scotty said over the intercom, “we need that deflector pulse in one minute or we’re all dead!”
“Now you know how it feels,” Kirk said under his breath, then louder, “Almost ready, stand by!”
Soran finished the adjustments, then stepped back, and turned to face the forward bulkhead, his arms outstretched in anticipation.
“NOW, SCOTTY!” Kirk yelled as he sprinted down the corridor.
The graviton pulse lanced out from the Enterprise-B’s deflector dish, breaking the hold of the Nexus on the ship. As the ship pulls away, one last tendril reached out and took a ragged bite out of the secondary hull.
Scotty came lumbering around the corner to see Kirk looking out into gash in the hull, just beyond the environmental force field that stood between them and the hard vacuum of open space.
“Are ye all right, Cap’n?”
“I’m fine, Scotty.”
Scotty looked out into the void. “Was there anyone in there?”
“Yeah, one of the El-Aurians.”
“Poor soul.”
“He’ll be fine.”
Scott looked at his captain like he’d just grown a second head.
“I’ll explain later.”
Harriman and Chekov came running down the corridor.
“Captain Harriman,” Kirk said, “What do you say we get this ship back to Earth and these refugees some proper medical care? I’ve got a few choice words for the headquarters genius who decided to send this ship out with only half her systems installed…”
Flash forward seventy-eight years, the bridge of the Enterprise-D.
“Message coming in for you, Captain,” Worf reported. “Your brother, thanking you for your warning about the malfunctioning heating unit.”
“Thank you, Mr. Worf,” Picard said, suppressing a smile.
Counselor Troi gave him a look, sensing his emotional uptick. “Something you’d like to talk about, Captain?”
“Later, Counselor.”
“We should start getting ready,” Riker said, “Mr. Worf’s promotion ceremony is in just a couple hours.”
Picard heard the Klingon growl.
“Number One, perhaps we should rethink the scenario for Mr. Worf’s promotion. After all, it is his party.”
Worf let out a sigh of relief. “I will have an alternative prepared within the hour.”
“No hurry, Mr. Worf, and no need for theatrics if you don’t want them. If you want to go with a simple ceremony in Ten Forward, that will quite all right.”
“Thank you, Captain. I will make arrangements with Guinan.”
“Mr. Data, how long until we reach the Armagosa Array?”
“ETA two hours, fifteen minutes at our current speed.”
“Very good. You have the conn, Number One. I’ll be in my quarters, following up on that message from my brother.”
The Enterprise-D sails off, movie ends, everybody’s happy.
Sometimes, the reset button is your friend.
Come on that would never work, it makes too much sense!
Agreed. Nice work.
I dunno. Even though it resolves all the plot lines using the set ups the movie gave us, it seems like its a bit of a cheat. Basically, Picard and Kirk magic all their problems away. Also, if Kirk is now alive in the past when he previously wasn't, wouldn't that probably have ramifications for everything after the Ent-B section of the movie?
Not really, since none of that stuff happens anyway. Remember, the last scene is on the E-D, a couple of hours prior to when Worf's promotion ceremony was to begin on the holodeck.
This means that the Duras sisters are still alive, too, for future adventures...
This means that the Duras sisters are still alive, too, for future adventures...
Wait, no. Let me clarify. I mean in terms of the timeline overall, from the Ent-B section of Generations to "Encounter at Farpoint".
The reason I think this is that in the movie, Kirk was in a funk because he was retired and felt he was no use to anyone. Through Picard, he overcame that depressive state and realized that he didn't need a starship to make a difference. In your ending, presumably, he would still overcome that (if not, than what's the point) and realize that there are other ways to make a difference than sitting on a starship. In other words, I would find it unlikely that Kirk would sit around and do nothing and his Picard adventure. Maybe run for political office, or become an ambassador, or teach at the academy, or go back into Starfleet and becoming a high ranking guy ordering captains what to do.
I like that alternate ending. 
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
I've watched a couple of Confused Matthew's reviews and he gets annoying really quick.
That thing where he starts to speak slowly and swear in a whiney 16 year-old voice makes me want to punch him in the neck even if I generally agree with him.
That thing where he starts to speak slowly and swear in a whiney 16 year-old voice makes me want to punch him in the neck even if I generally agree with him.
I just came across his channel this week, linked to it too in this forum.
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
Yep, your ideas are just plain smarter, and I'd totally accept the idea of a reset here because it works for 3 of the characters so well.
It fits so well into the movie that it seems like you found pages of the script that someone lost and they didn't have time so they went with a shitty ending they'd made up on the spot.
