Harry Kim The 7 year Ensign??

[Anwar]

The one Troi took, yes.

Riker, Picard and Kirk all either made Captain or were considered for the Captaincy when they were in their 30s. This isn't to show that it's easy to get that rank, but rather that these three were exceptional.

Nog was in his mid 40s in"The Visitor" when he was a Captain, IIRC. That's about the right age for a Captain who'd been in the service for 25 years or so.

Kim never struck me as the higher rank type anyways. The kind of guy who stay at full LT for his career.

 

[Nick086]

The one Troi took, yes.

Riker, Picard and Kirk all either made Captain or were considered for the Captaincy when they were in their 30s. This isn't to show that it's easy to get that rank, but rather that these three were exceptional.

Nog was in his mid 40s in"The Visitor" when he was a Captain, IIRC. That's about the right age for a Captain who'd been in the service for 25 years or so.

Kim never struck me as the higher rank type anyways. The kind of guy who stay at full LT for his career.

I could see Kim making it to Lt. Commander or even full Commander.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Oh, the bridge officers test?

Deanna was already a commander, which is why she had command thrust upon her years earlier in The Disaster when the bridge was cut off from anyone else who could do the job properly...

Obviously rank is not a restriction for taking the bridge officers test, since Kim was given the ship in Future's end during a very dangerous adventure, but rank is also not not always an immediate pass for taking the captains chair if you have no command experience.

 

[James Wright]

I thought if you sought promotion your commanding officer would pass the request up the chain of command and said officer would study whatever materials he/she or it needed to then theyd take the test and wait a period of time to find out the results, pass and they'd be promoted, fail and they'd stay right where they are!

James

 

[Guy Gardener]

Nope. I suppose if you're a needy winy little bitch like Kim or tapestry Picard, that maybe the case... But we learnt in TNG Lower Decks that promotion is a seasonal thing. After a set period, the XO (Who's real job is to control the crew through commanding the section heads.) and the councillor, talk to everyone/ cater a performance evaluation, after which the two of them decide who in the crew is deserving a promotion, who might get one, and then Picard signs off on their findings or vetoes their decisions... Just like in most other professions.

Point is that any one on the Enterprise can be promoted as magnificently as need be, because if there is no position available for the rank they deserve, unlike kim who was left an ensign with no place to go, the crewmen from Enterprise can just be transferred off ship to positions all over the Federation.

 

[Anwar]

I thought Deanna was a Lt Cmdr, and only made Commander in "Thine own self".

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yup.

But, if enough people died, Wesley Crusher could be in charge of the Enterprise.

Hells, after Voyagers crew was stolen that once, Kim differed to the ECH because he knew he was outclassed by a lightbulb.

 

[Deckerd]

We get that you're not so impressed with Kim.

 

[UncleRogi]

Remember, too, that the Kim we end up with is NOT the one we started with!

 

[Guy Gardener]

He got Kes fired.

No mercy, no quarter.

The sad thing is that I don't even have to make anything up to support my vendetta.

 

[RyuRoots]

Remember, too, that the Kim we end up with is NOT the one we started with!

Where's the punchline?

Oh, unless you mean literally, from that mess in ah...oh, what was it called. The one where Naomi was born.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Deadlock.

Also consider how he arbitrarily demolished, then rebuilt an entire universe in non sequitor so that he could live another 6 months longer just to die horribly in Deadlock.

Dan Bird would have got the crew home by season 5.

Season one Harry was so full of promise, he was the super genius who remembered being born, he was a little naive but he was going places. Watching him grow into Jim Kirk over the next 7 years going to be a wild ride.

Dude was stillborn.

 

[Neutral Zone]

I think that Harry should have gained at least one during the seven years, after all he helped save the ship on more than one occasion. I think he had the same problem as Chekov from TOS, he always looked too dammed young!

 

[maneth]

Indeed. Harry should definitely have been promoted at least once, say after The Killing Game. He only saved the entire crew...

 

[Nick086]

If Janeway promoted Tuvok to Lt. Commander, They could of just promoted Harry Kim to Lt. Junior Grade. The guy was a bridge officer and a senior officer. I remember in one episode they promoted a few crew members to Lt Junior Grade. They weren't bridge officers or department chiefs

 

[Starbreaker]

I guess they just "had to have an ensign". In the US Navy, a promotion to Lt. JG is pretty much automatic after two years (18 months in the Coast Guard). Times have changed!

 

[Anwar]

They shouldn't have made Kim a bridge officer really. Make him, Kes and Neelix recurring characters (who appear often). This justifies him not getting a promotion (or just not making a big deal of it) while shutting up the haters who complained there weren't enough recurring characters at the same time.

 

[USS KG5]

I don't see what the problem is, I mean Bashir, Dax, Worf and O'Brien never got promoted the entire run of DS9 and no one complained.

Bashir and Dax both got promoted from Lt. Jg to Lt and from Lt. to Lt. cmdr respectively.

Also Ezri Dax got bumped from Ensign to Lt Jg when she joined the crew.

Also Sisko and Kira both gained a rank.

O'Brien was already the most senior NCO on the station, and was probably whatever the Starfleet equivalent of a warrant officer is.

 

[USS KG5]

But, if enough people died, Wesley Crusher could be in charge of the Enterprise.

Would not need to be that many - Bridge Officer status seems to outrank actual rank in terms of position, Wesley might only have needed to be the last officer alive on the bridge!

Rank in Starfleet is not really the same as in the real world. apart from anything else in the real military there is no way "Tapestry Picard" would still be in, he'd be booted when he showed little or no promise.

Harry Kim deserved a promotion to Lt. Jg, but maybe he got it as soon as he got back?

 

[Anwar]

Also, them being apart from Starfleet command probably added to that. What exactly would be the point of a promotion on the ship when everyone already knew who you were and how experienced/good you were amongst the crew? Harry probably got plenty respect and deference from the lower deck officers for his senior position.

This isn't like Galactica where they were all that remained of their civilization and thus WERE Fleet Command. Promotions wouldn't have meant anything on VOY.