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District 9- The Movie Avatar wasn't

Garm Bel Iblis

Commodore
we rented District 9 this weekend. What a great movie. I really loved the realism and the documentary-like edge to it. I think this movie rips Avatar apart in story about sympathizing with aliens.

I really really liked this movie and hope they do a sequel.
 
I was really impressed by the style and look of District 9, and I loved the untraditional leading man, but beyond that the movie didn't seem all that terribly special to me.

The story was fairly simplistic and obvious, and when you boil it down not really any deeper than Avatar's, frankly. I think the darker and edgier look is convincing people it's a lot more complex than it really is.
 
District 9 was definitely not as good as Avatar in opinion. Both were interesting watches though.
 
According to Armond White, isn't Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen the movie Avatar only wishes it could be? :lol:
 
love the movie! I never thought I could fall in love with grimy buglike aliens or conniving little pedo-stached foulmouthed dorks. :lol:

The final big fight sequence with the mecha, the drop ship, etc...is just so gripping and beautiful. :)
 
I hadn't even thought about comparing the two. I liked Avatar, and loved District 9. Even though they only show the bad side of Joburg, but that's forgivable.

On a second thought, we do get a glimpse of the protagonist's house, which was in a nicer area. I don't remember them saying where, though.
 
District 9 has some faults (particularly the depiction of Nigerians), but it's certainly an above average effort, and an excellent film for a first time director. And unlike Avatar, which was a profoundly theatre-going experience, I'm happy to have District 9 on Blu-Ray.
 
I like both movies, but really, they are apples and oranges to one another.

District 9 tries for a gritty realism while Avatar tries for an overblown fantasy feel.
 
District 9 is definitely the better film, but they're both quite good and very much worth any sci-fi fan's while (though I'd concur with Harvey re: the Nigerians).
 
I thought District 9 was waaaaaay better a movie than Avatar... no contest, especially since they were doing so many of the same things. Avatar was spectacular eye candy but a nanometer deep. And I'm looking forward to seeing it on DVD in non-distracting 2D, quite frankly. 3D is an amusing gimmick as far as I'm concerned but nothing to get excited about.

District 9 is not perfect but it had a soul, which Avatar utterly lacked.
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District 9 is not perfect but it had a soul, which Avatar utterly lacked.
Bingo.
There are several 'bingo' comparisons when stating District 9 as the better more complete film but this is one of them.

Avatar was made for its visuals and given little on its ham fisted plot. This movie is going to become more boring and less appreciated as it moves into 2-D on "Joe Regulars" TV.

District 9 will stay the same if not find more fans.
 
They are both good, watchable, and interesting sci-fi films. Avatar much more of a dazzling spectacle, District more of a personal grittier film. I find they work well as companions - touching on the same theme, human essentially becoming an alien.
 
District 9 is not perfect but it had a soul, which Avatar utterly lacked.
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Avatar obviously wasn't a very complex movie, but I certainly thought it had more heart and soul than, say, the SW prequels or Transformers 2.

When I think "cold and soulless FX movie", that's the kind of thing that comes to mind. Not Avatar-- which at least had some recognizably human (if simplistic) characters, a true sense of wonder, and some believable emotion.

By no means does Avatar deserve to be lumped in with that other group.
 
To me, the biggest irony of comparing District 9 to Avatar is that whereas Avatar is lambasted for its hamfisted metaphor of the Na'vi representing Native Americans (and to a lesser extend "magical savages" in general), District 9's own cross to bear - that the prawns are a racist depiction of black people - is entirely misinterpreted.

But maybe that indicates that District 9 is in fact the better movie in terms of storytelling.

Avatar wears its heart on its on its sleeve. D9 however, is a much more sly commentary that it was initially given credit for. (This misinterpretation by western viewers however, also bespeaks their detached understanding of issues in countries such as South Africa.) It can't be stated enough that the aliens in D9 are not metaphors for black people or Apartheid. D9 is *alternate history*. Understanding the subtext of this is crucial. In D9's universe, Apartheid - though not explicitly stated on screen - couldn't have played out the same way as it did in real life. The arrival of aliens 28 years ago changed history. People who cry that D9 doesn't feature Morgan Freeman stepping in to tell us white people about Apartheid don't get it; it wouldn't make sense in context of the movie's alternate reality.

Instead, in D9, we're presented with subjects - the prawns - who go far beyond any race or ethnicity on Earth. We're supposed to see the supreme irony in how the prawns are viewed by humans in, of all places, South Africa, knowing what we know of its history in our world. It's a commentary on humanity as a whole; the fact that it happens to take place in SA is due in part to the fact that the director is from there, and in part that that setting just layers on the delicious irony with a butter knife.
 
District 9 is not perfect but it had a soul, which Avatar utterly lacked.
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Avatar obviously wasn't a very complex movie.

Hmmm, again, I can only say that the film I saw was very complex, with lots of subtle depths that most people seem to have missed entirely. I found Avatar intellectually stimulating. It wasn't extraordinarily so, but it was not shallow at all. There was much complexity, at least as I saw it. :)

Look below the surface and there is a lot to consider in Avatar. I don't personally understand why people say it was shallow, one dimensional, wore its heart on its sleeve, etc.
 
An interesting point has been made -- will Avatar hold up in the home viewing environment? Regardless if you like it or dislike it, the film was clearly designed to be seen on the big screen. I don't think its immersiveness will hold up on the small screen, unless you happen to have a full-wall projection set.

District 9 might well have the edge on that score. I haven't gotten around to seeing it yet, though a couple of my close friends hated it. On one of the Oscar nomination prediction threads several people listed it as a potential candidate for Best Picture (alongside Avatar and Trek) so there must be something good about it. What turned me off were the trailers that basically made it look like a rehash of V with a little Independence Day thrown in.

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District 9 is not perfect but it had a soul, which Avatar utterly lacked.

Avatar obviously wasn't a very complex movie, but I certainly thought it had more heart and soul than, say, the SW prequels or Transformers 2.

When I think "cold and soulless FX movie", that's the kind of thing that comes to mind. Not Avatar-- which at least had some recognizably human (if simplistic) characters, a true sense of wonder, and some believable emotion.

By no means does Avatar deserve to be lumped in with that other group.

Well I certainly didn't mean to do THAT :lol:... My hatred for the PT goes much deeper than my dislike for parts of Avatar :lol: And I'm innocent of Transformers, wrong generation :D

District 9 is not perfect but it had a soul, which Avatar utterly lacked.

Avatar obviously wasn't a very complex movie.

Hmmm, again, I can only say that the film I saw was very complex, with lots of subtle depths that most people seem to have missed entirely. I found Avatar intellectually stimulating. It wasn't extraordinarily so, but it was not shallow at all. There was much complexity, at least as I saw it. :)

Look below the surface and there is a lot to consider in Avatar. I don't personally understand why people say it was shallow, one dimensional, wore its heart on its sleeve, etc.

Well I do plan to watch it again on DVD, so I'll see if there was something I missed... I don't think it was awful, but awfully derivative... :D

And as I found the 3D experience more distracting than anything else, I am actually quite looking forward to seeing it in 2D.
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we rented District 9 this weekend. What a great movie. I really loved the realism and the documentary-like edge to it. I think this movie rips Avatar apart in story about sympathizing with aliens.

I really really liked this movie and hope they do a sequel.

Totally agree on all parts.
 
An interesting point has been made -- will Avatar hold up in the home viewing environment?

I'd say yes.

Look, there are movies which I rewatch because they're visually stimulating. Metropolis is a classic example, even if it's a movie I love for so many other reasons: I can never ever tire of rewatching it because it's so visually engaging.

I'm not a big fan of Blade Runner, but I like chilling out in its striking cyberpunk dystopia also. I can truthfully say the same of Avatar - it's a fun movie, it's a quickly paced movie, and it's one whose environment is something I enjoy getting lost in. This is classic sci-fi pulp planetary romance visualized perfectly and effortlessly. I want to see it again and again, to be sure.

Whether or not anyone else would still pull Avatar out ten years from now is another question, but I would. District 9, I don't know. Not because it isn't a better film, but it is less of an eye-candy film. And being a shallow man I like my eye candy.

District 9's own cross to bear - that the prawns are a racist depiction of black people - is entirely misinterpreted.

The Nigerians are, however, very unsubtle. They have all the finesse and depth of Avatar's villains, but also a racial slant those villains lacked - whine what one will about the evil Americans of Avatar, but there are also good Americans (i.e. the heroes) in that movie. There are no good Nigerians in District 9.

It can't be stated enough that the aliens in D9 are not metaphors for black people or Apartheid. D9 is *alternate history*. Understanding the subtext of this is crucial.

Yes. The subtext is that since this is an alternate history, apartheid is applied to aliens rather than blacks - but even still there is a discrimination against blacks, as you might notice in the racial priorities of the company van der Merwe works for, which is largely white at the top.

To say it isn't about apartheid, however, is sort of at cross purposes with the film.
 
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