Military Tribunal or Criminal Court?

[TheLonelySquire]

No - I knew that you were just playing in here. I didn't really think that your convictions were strong enough to back up your statements with any kind of action. The internet is wonderful for making "strong" comments that are actually meaningless, isn't it?

Perhaps you'll keep that in mind the next time you suggest murdering thousands.

If I suggested murdering thousands I'd be sympathetic to radical-islam. I'm not. I support eradicating it. Do you?

I support eliminating radical-islam to the exact same degree I support eliminating radical-christian.

Just wondering how you define both?

 

[ThankQ]

If I suggested murdering thousands I'd be sympathetic to radical-islam. I'm not. I support eradicating it. Do you?

I support eliminating radical-islam to the exact same degree I support eliminating radical-christian.

Just wondering how you define both?

Like SCOTUS defines porn.

 

[Misfit Toy]

If you had actually ever been to a White Castle you'd know I am serious. Less serious than you attempt to stir me up though.

No - I knew that you were just playing in here. I didn't really think that your convictions were strong enough to back up your statements with any kind of action. The internet is wonderful for making "strong" comments that are actually meaningless, isn't it?

Perhaps you'll keep that in mind the next time you suggest murdering thousands.

If I suggested murdering thousands I'd be sympathetic to radical-islam. I'm not.

Uh huh. So your "intelligence agency" contacts have made you aware of a nuke that will only kill one person.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

No - I knew that you were just playing in here. I didn't really think that your convictions were strong enough to back up your statements with any kind of action. The internet is wonderful for making "strong" comments that are actually meaningless, isn't it?

Perhaps you'll keep that in mind the next time you suggest murdering thousands.

If I suggested murdering thousands I'd be sympathetic to radical-islam. I'm not.

Uh huh. So your "intelligence agency" contacts have made you aware of a nuke that will only kill one person.

I believe in the axiom "you're either with us or you're against us".

 

[Squiggy]

If I suggested murdering thousands I'd be sympathetic to radical-islam. I'm not.

Uh huh. So your "intelligence agency" contacts have made you aware of a nuke that will only kill one person.

I believe in the axiom "you're either with us or you're against us".

Which is retarded. Should we have fought Switzerland in WWII?

 

[John Picard]

Uh huh. So your "intelligence agency" contacts have made you aware of a nuke that will only kill one person.

I believe in the axiom "you're either with us or you're against us".

Which is retarded. Should we have fought Switzerland in WWII?

Yes, and taken all of their delicious confectionary treats.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

There is no such thing as an "unlawful enemy combatant." It's a legal fiction.

They're criminals and should be tried as such.

 

[Misfit Toy]

If I suggested murdering thousands I'd be sympathetic to radical-islam. I'm not.

Uh huh. So your "intelligence agency" contacts have made you aware of a nuke that will only kill one person.

I believe in the axiom "you're either with us or you're against us".

Who is the "us" to which you are referring?

 

[Squiggy]

Uh huh. So your "intelligence agency" contacts have made you aware of a nuke that will only kill one person.

I believe in the axiom "you're either with us or you're against us".

Who is the "us" to which you are referring?

Him. Therefore, we're terrorists.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

I believe in the axiom "you're either with us or you're against us".

Who is the "us" to which you are referring?

Him. Therefore, we're terrorists.

"Us" is the US government and those who believe it is perfect and can do no wrong. It can do what it likes. If you disagree, you are "against them", not "with them" and thus are the enemy. This is the way of all tyrannies.

Essentially:

Freedom= good.

America = freedom= good

Whatever the US government calls for, Patriot act, invasions and wars, restrictions of civil liberties, detention without trial, etc= America.

America, of course, must = freedom =good.

Thus, anything the US government calls for = good.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Who is the "us" to which you are referring?

Him. Therefore, we're terrorists.

"Us" is the US government and those who believe it is perfect and can do no wrong. It can do what it likes. If you disagree, you are "against them", not "with them" and thus are the enemy. This is the way of all tyrannies.

Essentially:

Freedom= good.

America = freedom= good

Whatever the US government calls for, Patriot act, invasions and wars, restrictions of civil liberties, detention without trial, etc= America.

America, of course, must = freedom =good.

Thus, anything the US government calls for = good.

There you go, you've just defined American exceptionalism.

 

[John Picard]

Who is the "us" to which you are referring?

Him. Therefore, we're terrorists.

"Us" is the US government and those who believe it is perfect and can do no wrong. It can do what it likes. If you disagree, you are "against them", not "with them" and thus are the enemy. This is the way of all tyrannies.

Essentially:

Freedom= good.

America = freedom= good

Whatever the US government calls for, Patriot act, invasions and wars, restrictions of civil liberties, detention without trial, etc= America.

America, of course, must = freedom =good.

Thus, anything the US government calls for = good.

What about the Alien and Sedition Act?

 

[Squiggy]

Who is the "us" to which you are referring?

Him. Therefore, we're terrorists.

"Us" is the US government and those who believe it is perfect and can do no wrong. It can do what it likes. If you disagree, you are "against them", not "with them" and thus are the enemy. This is the way of all tyrannies.

Essentially:

Freedom= good.

America = freedom= good

Whatever the US government calls for, Patriot act, invasions and wars, restrictions of civil liberties, detention without trial, etc= America.

America, of course, must = freedom =good.

Thus, anything the US government calls for = good.

Then...TLS supports President Obama?

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Him. Therefore, we're terrorists.

"Us" is the US government and those who believe it is perfect and can do no wrong. It can do what it likes. If you disagree, you are "against them", not "with them" and thus are the enemy. This is the way of all tyrannies.

Essentially:

Freedom= good.

America = freedom= good

Whatever the US government calls for, Patriot act, invasions and wars, restrictions of civil liberties, detention without trial, etc= America.

America, of course, must = freedom =good.

Thus, anything the US government calls for = good.

What about the Alien and Sedition Act?

What about the Alien and Sedition acts? The fact that most American historians now criticize them, as did most US governments following on from them? My comments above were not intended to implicate all Americans, merely those who buy into their government's propaganda.

All governments seek one thing- the expansion of their power, their authority, their influence over others, their wealth. They seek loyalty, unquestioned loyalty.

What I typed above is simply how they get it. It's not just America. Show me a country that hasn't had something similar encouraged among its citizens at one point.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Then...TLS supports President Obama?

Good point. However, when a government is as vast and divided as the American government, loyalty to a faction of that government which "truly" embodies it is probably more likely than loyalty to the body as a whole. So, the "wrong" faction of government might have got into power, causing him and others to grumble, but the government is still right and good. The current leaders are merely misguided dissidents at best, traitors at worst.

 

[Squiggy]

So, the "wrong" faction of government might have got into power, causing him and others to grumble, but the government is still right and good.

That seems to fly in the face of the cornerstone of current conservative/Republican thinking. They're taking Reagan's "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem." quote to it's extreme and doesn't think the government can do anything.

Unless it's a government controlled by who they like, then the government is like Emma Lazurus wearing a Don't Tread on Me flag getting tagged by Uncle Sam and Santa Claus.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

So, the "wrong" faction of government might have got into power, causing him and others to grumble, but the government is still right and good.

That seems to fly in the face of the cornerstone of current conservative/Republican thinking. They're taking Reagan's "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem." quote to it's extreme and doesn't think the government can do anything.

Unless it's a government controlled by who they like, then the government is like Emma Lazurus wearing a Don't Tread on Me flag getting tagged by Uncle Sam and Santa Claus.

Ah, well, you know more about the actual workings of your government than I do. I'm just trying to come to terms with the attitudes I see and the basic thinking behind them. When it comes to in depth matters of the political climate, you of course know far more.

 

[Squiggy]

Both sides are hypocritical...but the conservative side of things tends to get caught in a bigger paradox since they're mostly the ones who wrap themselves in the flag, say America is the greatest hope of anything in the world, and then march on Washington to protest that very government because it's spending money to do something they supported in the first place.

 

[John Picard]

Both sides are hypocritical...but the conservative side of things tends to get caught in a bigger paradox since they're mostly the ones who wrap themselves in the flag, say America is the greatest hope of anything in the world, and then march on Washington to protest that very government because it's spending money to do something they supported in the first place.

So what's the problem

 

[ShamelessMcBundy]

Him. Therefore, we're terrorists.

"Us" is the US government and those who believe it is perfect and can do no wrong. It can do what it likes. If you disagree, you are "against them", not "with them" and thus are the enemy. This is the way of all tyrannies.

Essentially:

Freedom= good.

America = freedom= good

Whatever the US government calls for, Patriot act, invasions and wars, restrictions of civil liberties, detention without trial, etc= America.

America, of course, must = freedom =good.

Thus, anything the US government calls for = good.

Then...TLS supports President Obama?

You've just made a logical paradox and have now destroyed TLS.