Should Picard have had a bit more of a "French personality"?

[Neumann]

It's the same joke, every time. The French surrendered. That's news. Did Napoleon surrender? He nearly conquered the world and had the Brits pissing themselves and the Americans I doubt he ever needed consider beyond to sell them land he would have conquered later. France has had its day NEUMANN COMMENT: (EHM yes the 18th century not the 19th)...
as Britain had its and we Americans are having ours. Wonderful. Lets pat ourselves on the back and fall like they did.

Aha! Yes but Napoleon Bonaparte was really named Buonaparte and he was a corsican whose parents were more italian than anythin else and besides he never dominated the french language as expected. So yes the FRENCH conquered a lot with their ITALIAN general. Not to surprise us as the romans when fighting the gaul made the same jokes as americans regarding the french willingness to fight.

Greetings from comunist venezuela btw

 

[iguana_tonante]

Wow... just wow. Sorry exclamation points after USA offends you. If it bothers you may I suggest you get over it? Your bigoted attitude tells more about you than you know. I did make a stupid off hand joke which never deserved this much attention but these remarks just go to show you are exactly what you are attempting to ascribe to me. I'd pity you but I don't pity ignorant bigots.

Aww, come on! It was just a joke! No need to be so "butthurt" about it, right? You just need to "get over it"!

Ain't comeuppance rich?

I think everyone is getting a little too uptight......about these type of comments. I mean come on, it is just a joke on a trek forum.

Sure it is. I don't usually pay attention to that, and I'm the first to joke about the worst parts of my Italian heritage. But it's just the most recent one in a long, long, long strip of jokes, every single one identical to the other. You can't even mention France without having a "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" joke in the span of three posts. I mean, it irked me and I'm not even French. Would people feel the same for jokes about watermelons and fried chicken? All people need is just to stop being "butthurt" and "get over it", right?

 

[Kirby]

I just wish every once in a while he would start acting like John Cleese's French castle guard in Holy Grail and start hurling insults at his enemies, sterotypical French accent and all... Ok, maybe just to the Ferengis and Pakleds.

 

[Pseudo]

And given his "USA!!!" location field, I bet he will be the first up in arms when someone talks disparagingly of the mighty and rightful United States of America. But, you know, that's different.

Yeah I know, stupid yanks!

Wow... just wow. Sorry exclamation points after USA offends you. If it bothers you may I suggest you get over it? Your bigoted attitude tells more about you than you know. I did make a stupid off hand joke which never deserved this much attention but these remarks just go to show you are exactly what you are attempting to ascribe to me. I'd pity you but I don't pity ignorant bigots.

I think you may have misunderstood my "stupid yanks!" comment. It was meant as an ironic slight at the poster I quoted. Sorry, if you felt offended by my comedic stylings.

 

[Whoa Nellie]

It's the same joke, every time. The French surrendered. That's news. Did Napoleon surrender? He nearly conquered the world and had the Brits pissing themselves and the Americans I doubt he ever needed consider beyond to sell them land he would have conquered later. France has had its day NEUMANN COMMENT: (EHM yes the 18th century not the 19th)...
as Britain had its and we Americans are having ours. Wonderful. Lets pat ourselves on the back and fall like they did.

Aha! Yes but Napoleon Bonaparte was really named Buonaparte and he was a corsican whose parents were more italian than anythin else and besides he never dominated the french language as expected. So yes the FRENCH conquered a lot with their ITALIAN general. Not to surprise us as the romans when fighting the gaul made the same jokes as americans regarding the french willingness to fight.

Greetings from comunist venezuela btw

I wondered how long it would be before someone pointed that out.

I just wish every once in a while he would start acting like John Cleese's French castle guard in Holy Grail and start hurling insults at his enemies, sterotypical French accent and all... Ok, maybe just to the Ferengis and Pakleds.

Best! Movie! Ever!

Warmest Wishes,
Whoa Nellie

 

[T J]

I think you may have misunderstood my "stupid yanks!" comment. It was meant as an ironic slight at the poster I quoted. Sorry, if you felt offended by my comedic stylings.

Nope, ya know what. I let an argument with someone in real life piss me off and I made a stupid post. You have nothing to apologize for, I do, it wasn't even directed at you. Sorry to all who I offended with the surrender joke, I'll back off that. Sorry to everyone, I'll be leaving now.

 

[Char Aznable]

Sure it is. I don't usually pay attention to that, and I'm the first to joke about the worst parts of my Italian heritage. But it's just the most recent one in a long, long, long strip of jokes, every single one identical to the other. You can't even mention France without having a "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" joke in the span of three posts. I mean, it irked me and I'm not even French. Would people feel the same for jokes about watermelons and fried chicken? All people need is just to stop being "butthurt" and "get over it", right?

Honestly, I think everything should be ripe to be made fun of, so no it wouldn't bother me to see such jokes since it is their right to return the favor to call whites honkey crackers.

Besides, there is a fucking WORLD if difference between poking fun at the French a little and reminding blacks of a horrible time in American history. Even so, it should still be ok to joke about it in a free country.

So try the hypocrisy angle somewhere else, you won't find it here.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Besides, there is a fucking WORLD if difference between poking fun at the French a little and reminding blacks of a horrible time in American history. Even so, it should still be ok to joke about it in a free country.

So try the hypocrisy angle somewhere else, you won't find it here.

Well, I wasn't going much for hypocrisy but more for double standard, since the surrender refers to WWII, which I'm pretty sure qualifies as "reminding of a horrible time in history" and not just "poking fun a little".

Or your point is that "slavery = bad", but "Nazi occupation" = "piece of cake"? Because that's what I get from saying there is a WORLD of difference between the two.

As a side note, I agree with you that it's ok to joke about anything in a free country. It's also ok to show uneasiness at that kind of jokes, tho.

I think you may have misunderstood my "stupid yanks!" comment. It was meant as an ironic slight at the poster I quoted. Sorry, if you felt offended by my comedic stylings.

Nope, ya know what. I let an argument with someone in real life piss me off and I made a stupid post. You have nothing to apologize for, I do, it wasn't even directed at you. Sorry to all who I offended with the surrender joke, I'll back off that. Sorry to everyone, I'll be leaving now.

T J, I know that was not for me but Pseudo, but I just want to add that there is no animosity on my part. I just wanted to point out a subject I care about.

 

[T J]

T J, I know that was not for me but Pseudo, but I just want to add that there is no animosity on my part. I just wanted to point out a subject I care about.

Thanks. Neither is there any animosity on my part. I'll gladly offer you and everyone an apology as well. Above all else I desire peace.

 

[TheQman]

Sure it is. I don't usually pay attention to that, and I'm the first to joke about the worst parts of my Italian heritage. But it's just the most recent one in a long, long, long strip of jokes, every single one identical to the other. You can't even mention France without having a "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" joke in the span of three posts. I mean, it irked me and I'm not even French. Would people feel the same for jokes about watermelons and fried chicken? All people need is just to stop being "butthurt" and "get over it", right?

Honestly, I think everything should be ripe to be made fun of, so no it wouldn't bother me to see such jokes since it is their right to return the favor to call whites honkey crackers.

Besides, there is a WORLD if difference between poking fun at the French a little and reminding blacks of a horrible time in American history. Even so, it should still be ok to joke about it in a free country.

'hear hear'

 

[scotpens]

I, for one, would like to have seen Picard perform a danse apache with Counselor Troi.

 

[DevilEyes]

Even so, it should still be ok to joke about it in a free country.

Is it OK in a free country to point out that those jokes are, besides being offensive, also stupid, unoriginal and completely unfunny?

Besides, there is a fucking WORLD if difference between poking fun at the French a little and reminding blacks of a horrible time in American history. Even so, it should still be ok to joke about it in a free country.

So try the hypocrisy angle somewhere else, you won't find it here.

Well, I wasn't going much for hypocrisy but more for double standard, since the surrender refers to WWII, which I'm pretty sure qualifies as "reminding of a horrible time in history" and not just "poking fun a little".

Or your point is that "slavery = bad", but "Nazi occupation" = "piece of cake"? Because that's what I get from saying there is a WORLD of difference between the two.

Oh, but it's not a part of American history, so I guess it doesn't matter...

I don't know what else "fucking WORLD of difference" could refer to. If that's not what Char Aznable meant, he is welcome to explain.

 

[ipirate65]

you know, I pride myself for fighting all of my adult life to free myself of predjudice. The one area I have failed in that respect is the French. Everytime I tell myself that's is wrong to be predjudice, even to the French... I run into another French person who does everything they can to reinforce the stereotypes.

I've tried, I swear I've tried because I don't *want* to be predjudice toward anyone. But the French themselves continually make it very difficult.

 

[iguana_tonante]

Sure, it's their fault you are prejudiced. Substitute that for blacks, women, Jews, etc, and listen to yourself. And with a good topping of smug, too.

Jeez, it's like the Groundhog Day: you think you finally explained your point, and someone new comes down the road and it starts all over again. Groan...

 

[EmperorTiberius]

I agree that it's ok to use stereotypes to poke fun every once in a while, but that surrender "joke" is really old and stupid. It doesn't even make sense, what surrender are you referring to? WWII? Would your country fight if they were in position of France in 1939? Hell no. All it tells me is you don't know your history.

 

[ipirate65]

Sure, it's their fault you are prejudiced. Substitute that for blacks, women, Jews, etc, and listen to yourself. And with a good topping of smug, too.

Jeez, it's like the Groundhog Day: you think you finally explained your point, and someone new comes down the road and it starts all over again. Groan...

considering their daly opportunity to do so, it's interesting that Blacks, Women, Jews, etc, do NOT go out of their way to piss me off everytime I run into them.

BTW, I'm just wondering if we took a poll about how most Americans get treated while visiting France, what the result would be?

 

[iguana_tonante]

considering their daly opportunity to do so, it's interesting that Blacks, Women, Jews, etc, do NOT go out of their way to piss me off everytime I run into them.

Given your combative stance with them, I can't say I'm surprised. Maybe if you start treating them like individuals and not parts of some sort of monolithic group defined by perceived cultural stereotypes, you will be get better interaction with French people, too. Shocker!

I've worked with a bunch of French people: with some I got along, with others I didn't. You know, like normal people.

BTW, I'm just wondering if we took a poll about how most Americans get treated while visiting France, what the result would be?

Don't take it personally. The French treat bad everyone equally.

Seriously, most people that live around tourist destinations are usually sick and tired of having loud and intrusive people roaming around their hometown like packs of camera-carrying wolves. You won't get a different treatment in Rome, Athens or New York City.

 

[ipirate65]

Don't take it personally. The French treat bad everyone equally.

The prosecution rests

 

[iguana_tonante]

Don't take it personally. The French treat bad everyone equally.

The prosecution rests

Aww, aren't you smart. Have a cookie.

 

[scotpens]

Don't take it personally. The French treat bad everyone equally.

Yes, but their language is so damn pretty.