Spider Man Reboot - Your Cast & Plot?
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Sony already have a planned script for the scheduled reboot. It's by the writer of "Zodiac."
EW describes it as "gritty""contemporary" and dealing with "modern" teenage problems.
So? You know, teenage problems do not change over time. I learned that from James Dean.
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Not as Harry...maybe as Norman since they are getting a younger Spider-Man.
Franco is my age so just slap some aging make-up on him and there is your Norman...
^Easily solved. In the first ten minutes of the film, Aunt May is shot and so Peter (Tobey Maguire) and MJ (Kirsten Dunst) make a deal with Mephisto to save her.
Everything goes white, and now Harry's alive and Spidey's played by a different actor.
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!
I wouldn't watch it, I'm not a fan of musicals to begin with, let alone when non musical material becomes a musical (my pet peeve with the South Park movie and the Family Guy movie (last of what I read of it's premise, anyway)), and with Spider-man this seems like...a really, really odd choice to take for a film.
Can't we just have Spidey regenerate?^Easily solved. In the first ten minutes of the film, Aunt May is shot and so Peter (Tobey Maguire) and MJ (Kirsten Dunst) make a deal with Mephisto to save her.
Everything goes white, and now Harry's alive and Spidey's played by a different actor.
Well, regeneration was the excuse they used for Norman and Harry's returns in the comics (even though the same formula that regenerated Harry was what poisoned him in the first place...).
Maybe in the new movies they don't have to show pre-villainy Norman and Otto and just have them already be Green Goblin and Octopus before the movies begin with some exposition given later about their origins.
Maybe in the new movies they don't have to show pre-villainy Norman and Otto and just have them already be Green Goblin and Octopus before the movies begin with some exposition given later about their origins.
I know it'd be near-impossible to do a "Who is the Green Goblin?" story the way Spectacular Spider-Man did it (the difference between TV storytelling and movies is too much), but I would like maybe one movie before we see the Goblin just so that Norman would have been given sufficient reason to BE the Goblin (as in, no split personality stuff).
It would be nice to see Hobgoblin in these new movies but it might be hard since we'd already have seen the Goblin once or twice before and all those scenes of Kingsley talking to himself would be an easy giveaway as to who he was (unless he talked to himself in a voice altering device..).
It would be nice to see Hobgoblin in these new movies but it might be hard since we'd already have seen the Goblin once or twice before and all those scenes of Kingsley talking to himself would be an easy giveaway as to who he was (unless he talked to himself in a voice altering device..).
I think Hobgoblin is the type of villain who can be treated more like the Joker was done in 'The Dark Knight' in the sense that who he is and where he comes from isn't as important as what he does. I'd be fine with him getting killed and Spidey unmasking him at the end and going, 'hey, it's that guy.'
I'm not so sure the audience at large would dig that, though.
I'm not so sure the audience at large would dig that, though.
I dunno, reading those old Hobgoblin stories by Stern showed how Hobby was different from other villains: He acknowledged he was weaker than Spidey, worked towards rectifying that, even when he DID have powers he would retreat when it was clear things weren't going to plan, etc.
Stern did a great job of building him up to an A-lister.
Now, if you're referring to the 4th Hobgoblin (Jason Macendale) as the killed off one then I think people would accept that better...
Stern did a great job of building him up to an A-lister.
Now, if you're referring to the 4th Hobgoblin (Jason Macendale) as the killed off one then I think people would accept that better...
Kingsley (the first one) never STOPPED being a great villain, but that they stretched out his mystery, had him be replaced by Jason Macendale (who then was immediately degraded from a good villain to an idiot so that Harry Osborn wouldn't have competition when he took up the Goblin mantle again) his menace wasn't quite the same.
Then they brought him back for the end of his particular mystery but by then there was no point to him anymore because they brought Norman back, re-designed Norman's character so he was now more like Kingsley and Harry (Harry was on his way to becoming the manipulative villain post-resurrection Norman is when they killed him).
It's been hinted that they'll bring Kingsley back soon, maybe to take over as the central Goblin once Norman is disposed of at the end of "Dark Reign".
For Movie Reboot Norman, maybe they can have Peter "create" him the way Batman Beyond created Blight: Peter interrupts some shady deal Norman is doing, and during the fight Norman gets a faceful of the Goblin gas/serum. When he recovers he finds out he now has superpowers himself.
Then they brought him back for the end of his particular mystery but by then there was no point to him anymore because they brought Norman back, re-designed Norman's character so he was now more like Kingsley and Harry (Harry was on his way to becoming the manipulative villain post-resurrection Norman is when they killed him).
It's been hinted that they'll bring Kingsley back soon, maybe to take over as the central Goblin once Norman is disposed of at the end of "Dark Reign".
For Movie Reboot Norman, maybe they can have Peter "create" him the way Batman Beyond created Blight: Peter interrupts some shady deal Norman is doing, and during the fight Norman gets a faceful of the Goblin gas/serum. When he recovers he finds out he now has superpowers himself.
I must admit my Hobgoblin knowledge was not as thorough as I thought. I didn't realize Kingsley had, well, you know, depth. I think you might be right that he would have to have his origin/identity explored.
I am rather fond of your notion for the GG origin reboot. Maybe the first villain is Hobgoblin, who we learn partway through the first movie is being equipped/supplied by Norman Osborn. Spidey eventually follows Hobbie back to Oscorp, there's a big fight, an explosion, and Norman is caught with a blast in the phase of Goblin serum. In that scenario I'm not sure if I'd want him to immediately become the villain for the second film... maybe everyone thinks he's dead for a bit and he pops back up in the third?
I am rather fond of your notion for the GG origin reboot. Maybe the first villain is Hobgoblin, who we learn partway through the first movie is being equipped/supplied by Norman Osborn. Spidey eventually follows Hobbie back to Oscorp, there's a big fight, an explosion, and Norman is caught with a blast in the phase of Goblin serum. In that scenario I'm not sure if I'd want him to immediately become the villain for the second film... maybe everyone thinks he's dead for a bit and he pops back up in the third?
I think Ock should be the first movie villain. In terms of character, they can merge him with Mendell Stromm (the Robot Master) in that he is Norman's partner whom he founded OsCorp with and serves as head scientist.
He and Norman have one disagreement too many over the company's research and such, until Norman decides to get rid of Otto by sabotaging an experiment of his. Instead of killing him, it turns him into Doc Ock.
Spidey spends the movie defending Norman and Harry from an increasingly insane Ock (who starts out semi-rational, but the radiation damage to his brain grows worse) until Ock is ready to blow up all of NYC just to kill Norman. He either dies at the end or goes into a coma from the radiation poisoning, leaving his return open (and also why he'd abandon revenge on Norman: He's too brain damaged to care anymore).
The movie two can have Norman's accident, leading up to the Green Goblin in movie three.
Hobgoblin (Kingsley) should come AFTER Norman though. Maybe a player in movie 5 (this is why Movies don't work like serial comics and TV storytelling...). Kingsley should make a minor appearance in movie three or two as a rival businessman or something.
He and Norman have one disagreement too many over the company's research and such, until Norman decides to get rid of Otto by sabotaging an experiment of his. Instead of killing him, it turns him into Doc Ock.
Spidey spends the movie defending Norman and Harry from an increasingly insane Ock (who starts out semi-rational, but the radiation damage to his brain grows worse) until Ock is ready to blow up all of NYC just to kill Norman. He either dies at the end or goes into a coma from the radiation poisoning, leaving his return open (and also why he'd abandon revenge on Norman: He's too brain damaged to care anymore).
The movie two can have Norman's accident, leading up to the Green Goblin in movie three.
Hobgoblin (Kingsley) should come AFTER Norman though. Maybe a player in movie 5 (this is why Movies don't work like serial comics and TV storytelling...). Kingsley should make a minor appearance in movie three or two as a rival businessman or something.
Well, if they use Doc Ock at all, I hope they borrow one of the elements of the 90's animated series - where Octavius had at one point taught and been a mentor to Peter - make it a more personal connection (beyond the pre-tentacle hero worship seen in Spider-Man 2).
Maybe we'll finally get to see The Lizard this time around...
I hope they come up with more innovative titles then Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man 3. All the various Spidey comics with their own unique titles - they should borrow some of them.
Maybe we'll finally get to see The Lizard this time around...
I hope they come up with more innovative titles then Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2 and Spider-Man 3. All the various Spidey comics with their own unique titles - they should borrow some of them.
Firstly, and I cannot stress this enough, NO ORIGIN STORY UNLESS IT IS ABSOLUTELY, IRREVOCABLY ESSENTIAL TO THE OVERALL THEMES OF THE MOVIE. We've all seen his origins. We all know his origins. They're not really that interesting anyway. If they have some specific ideas about what to do with him in high school, that's fine. However, we don't need to actually see him get bitten by a spider and discover his powers.
I prefer organic webshooters over mechanical ones. I think it adds to the unity of the character. I mean, his webslinging is his most iconic power. I just seems weird to have that not be a result of his famous spider-bite.
I don't have a whole lot of casting ideas. I think it's a shame that they've already used Topher Grace in the last movie. I like the idea of Amanda Seyfried as Gwen Stacy. And please please please keep J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson! He was just too friggin' brilliant. He's irreplaceable!
And somehow, I'm picturing Megan Fox as the Black Cat.
Story ideas:
Some shadowy villain (Kingpin/Norman Osborn/Otto Octavius) has been experimenting with a super-soldier serum. This has led to the creation of the Black Cat, who is nominally working for the shadowy villain because her father is being blackmailed. While Felicia Hardy wouldn't give Peter Parker the time of day, there's a kindred spark between Spider-Man & the Black Cat. They both feel like no one knows the real them. Once Spider-Man starts to get on shadowy villain's radar, he uses the super soldier serum to create either the Rhino or Scorpion. There's a big fight. Once he's been defeated, shadowy villain decides that the best way to take out Spider-Man is with a Spider-Slayer robot. The robot is defeated. New York is saved. But Spider-Man fails to discover the identity of the shadowy villain.
For the sequel, maybe involve the Lizard & Kraven.
Alternatively, I thought it would be an interesting change of pace if they did a movie about Peter Parker's parents and how their international intrigue crosses paths with Spider-Man.
As always, Peter can't catch a break. While there are fleeting moments of chemistry with Felicia Hardy, Gwen Stacy, Betty Brandt, etc., he isn't able to get with any of them by the end. But then, to end on a smirking, hopeful note, we end with that classic scene introducing Mary Jane. "Face it, Tiger. You just hit the jackpot."
"New webbing. That's weird. So where was I?..."
No, they do. We just haven't spliced 'em right yet.
Isn't the clock ticking on that? I thought that 20th Century Fox had to start principal photography on the new movie within 5 years of the release of Elektra or else the rights would revert back to Marvel.
And even Superman III had a corporate villain that was pretty much Lex Luthor in everything but name.
I prefer organic webshooters over mechanical ones. I think it adds to the unity of the character. I mean, his webslinging is his most iconic power. I just seems weird to have that not be a result of his famous spider-bite.
I don't have a whole lot of casting ideas. I think it's a shame that they've already used Topher Grace in the last movie. I like the idea of Amanda Seyfried as Gwen Stacy. And please please please keep J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson! He was just too friggin' brilliant. He's irreplaceable!
And somehow, I'm picturing Megan Fox as the Black Cat.
Story ideas:
Some shadowy villain (Kingpin/Norman Osborn/Otto Octavius) has been experimenting with a super-soldier serum. This has led to the creation of the Black Cat, who is nominally working for the shadowy villain because her father is being blackmailed. While Felicia Hardy wouldn't give Peter Parker the time of day, there's a kindred spark between Spider-Man & the Black Cat. They both feel like no one knows the real them. Once Spider-Man starts to get on shadowy villain's radar, he uses the super soldier serum to create either the Rhino or Scorpion. There's a big fight. Once he's been defeated, shadowy villain decides that the best way to take out Spider-Man is with a Spider-Slayer robot. The robot is defeated. New York is saved. But Spider-Man fails to discover the identity of the shadowy villain.
For the sequel, maybe involve the Lizard & Kraven.
Alternatively, I thought it would be an interesting change of pace if they did a movie about Peter Parker's parents and how their international intrigue crosses paths with Spider-Man.
As always, Peter can't catch a break. While there are fleeting moments of chemistry with Felicia Hardy, Gwen Stacy, Betty Brandt, etc., he isn't able to get with any of them by the end. But then, to end on a smirking, hopeful note, we end with that classic scene introducing Mary Jane. "Face it, Tiger. You just hit the jackpot."
Can't we just have Spidey regenerate?^Easily solved. In the first ten minutes of the film, Aunt May is shot and so Peter (Tobey Maguire) and MJ (Kirsten Dunst) make a deal with Mephisto to save her.
Everything goes white, and now Harry's alive and Spidey's played by a different actor.
"New webbing. That's weird. So where was I?..."
No, they do. We just haven't spliced 'em right yet.
Isn't the clock ticking on that? I thought that 20th Century Fox had to start principal photography on the new movie within 5 years of the release of Elektra or else the rights would revert back to Marvel.
And even Superman III had a corporate villain that was pretty much Lex Luthor in everything but name.
^ I think Fox have to do no more than have a DD project in development to retain the rights to him and associated characters. So they could basically pay their janitor to write a script with crayon on tracing paper and have no intention of ever making the thing and keep Marvel from getting Kingpin back. Bastards.
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Keep MJ out of it until maybe the 2nd or 3rd movie. Have her be in Hollywood.
I just hope they don't keep Parker as a teenager. I really hope they have him in his mid to late twenties just out of college.
I just hope they don't keep Parker as a teenager. I really hope they have him in his mid to late twenties just out of college.
