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Star Trek Online and Countdown Graphic Novel Continuities
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Is Picard still around in the STO era?
Yeah, STO does have a helluvalot of both series and literature injokes, there is one very crazy mission that involves, Miral Paris, TOS Klingons, timetravel, The U.S.S. Enterprise (with Nimoy!), The Guardian of Forever, the Kuva'Magh, The Augment-virus and so on...
I was like...all at the same time.
And the mission is called "The Guardian on the Edge of Never"!
You guys are really making me wish I had a computer powerfull enough to play this. My laptop is 4 years old, and my mom's desktop is 7.
Destiny is 2381. Although STO is set in 2409, Countdown is only 2387. Six years to rebuild all of that? Remake the giant rock formations to fit their funky inverted skyscrapers?
Then again, if that really annoys anyone they’re probably still having trouble with the various incompatible versions of Shi’Kahr in ENT, TAS and TOS-R and STXI, let alone some comic book and videogame.
Surely just adding “and then the Borg returned” at the end of one of the STO “path” updates would have caused less confusion? A Borg return is pretty much inevitable anyway in TrekLit, sooner or later (hopefully later since most of us are still recovering from the Borg Overload).
Maybe a time warp? Transporter mishap? Or using it for eternal youth which is clearly possible but no-one ever does it? Those pills from that early TNG episode? Whatever black magic kept Captain Archer and doggie with us in alternate 2258? Awesome futuristic cosmetic surgery? Space Botox? There are *so* many possibilities in Star Trek I refuse to ever call stuff like this a “mistake”.
Wasn’t the Great Bloom closed at the end of Titan #2? Yay well-intentioned-but-broken references!
Videogame critique mode on: How come, six (or is it seven?) years after Half-Life 2 with it’s brilliant and (relatively) realistic character models games are still being made with ugly poorly-proportioned wax people? I realize massive online games tend to look noticeably worse than single-player ones but I’m extremely underwhelmed by the characters, worlds and ships that I've seen in pics and clips of Star Trek Online (not that I've played it, or have any intention to).
I'm staying away from it--for the same reasons I'm staying away from that infernal nonsense Facebook:
It's been a while since I've read the book, so I don't remember exactly.
But if it was "closed", then the developers apparently did pay attention, because there is no actual subspace anomaly in the "Great Bloom System", as I found out today.
There's just one big debris field with local pockets of Thalaron radiation residue.
Interestingly enough, what I did find, was a drifting Miranda class ghost ship, whose crew had been attacked and killed by those Devidian aliens from TNG's Time's Arrow.
Well, I think it's safe to say that the details of ShiKahr's skyline in TAS can be disregarded, as very little from TAS is in continuity with later series, films, and novels.
I'm afraid I don't recall ShiKahr ever appearing in TOS-R. Could you tell me which episode?
And there's no particular reason to think that the city we saw in STXI was ShiKahr. Nothing about it identified that city as the capital; really, it could have been any city on Vulcan, especially in the age of transporters.
What makes you think the Borg are ever going to return in the main continuity of TrekLit? I don't see how -- Mack didn't leave any doors open for it. The nearly all-powerful Caeliar ended the Borg, period -- and he's said that part of the reason he did that was that he felt it was time to end the Borg's story.
We might see Borg in stories set before Destiny or in alternate continuities, but I doubt we'll ever see them in the main continuity again.
Well, there's only one episode set on Vulcan: "Amok Time." It's seen in the distance behind the marriage arena:
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Was that definitively established as ShiKahr? And I'm afraid that I think it's so hazy an image that I don't think there's any real contradiction between that image and the ShiKahr seen in ENT.
I don't see any contradiction either. There have been so many different depictions of the planet Vulcan itself over the decades that it's easy to chalk differences in a cityscape up to artistic license. And if we can pretend that Kirstie Alley and Robin Curtis are the same person, we should be able to pretend that two different-looking matte paintings or CGI images represent the same city.
And of course it wasn't actually called ShiKahr onscreen, since TOS-R didn't add any new dialogue. But we know that the artists who created the image intended it to be ShiKahr as an homage to "Yesteryear."
And of course it wasn't actually called ShiKahr onscreen, since TOS-R didn't add any new dialogue. But we know that the artists who created the image intended it to be ShiKahr as an homage to "Yesteryear."
It's not a doll, it's an action figure!
It was identified as Shi’Kahr (with apostrophe) in the ‘Spock Birth’ deleted scene of STXI. Now, I know you’re all probably gonna say “deleted scenes aren’t canon!”, but I have a personal rule that works like this:
Star Trek scenes featuring Winona Ryder > Star Trek scenes not featuring Winona Ryder.
All it takes is one solitary Borg drone to survive/evade the Caeliar assimilation somehow (insert any number of semi-meaningless technobabble solutions here) to rebuild the entire collective in some distant corner of the universe.
Theoretically. But why assume it's inevitable? What more stories are there to tell about the Borg in the main novel continuity? They're really a very limited idea, and they've been mined pretty thoroughly. They're fine for ST Online, where all they have to be is a bunch of bad guys to shoot at, but for prose storytelling, there's just not that much potential in them. There aren't that many stories to tell about an impersonal force of nature. Even on TV, there were far more stories about ex-Borg dealing with their liberation than there were about the Borg per se. So it seems to me there's more potential in telling stories about the aftermath, the survivors, the establishment of a post-Borg status quo, rather than just rehashing something that's already been done.
True. But should sales start to slump (I have no idea how any of the books are selling, btw), I have a feeling we'll be overrun with "shocking" returns of the Borg, JaneQuay etc.
Try to look surprised.
Try to look surprised.
^That's assuming that stories about the Borg automatically sell better than books about other Trek topics. What's your evidence for that? Sure, Destiny did well (I believe), but that's because it was an epic trilogy and a huge event, not just because it had Borg in it.
And really, how often have the Borg been used in Trek Lit at all? Sure, they got a lot of attention between fall '07 and winter '08, appearing in six books during that time, but what about before then? Not counting novelizations and books with Seven of Nine, and not counting books with just passing references, prior Trek Lit featuring the Borg is limited to Vendetta, Shatner's The Return, Lesser Evil, and Homecoming/The Farther Shore, plus a few Strange New Worlds stories and minor roles in Probe and The Siege. For the most part, Trek Lit has done little with the Borg. If your assumption that Borg = sales were correct, surely the Borg would've been featured far more heavily.
And really, how often have the Borg been used in Trek Lit at all? Sure, they got a lot of attention between fall '07 and winter '08, appearing in six books during that time, but what about before then? Not counting novelizations and books with Seven of Nine, and not counting books with just passing references, prior Trek Lit featuring the Borg is limited to Vendetta, Shatner's The Return, Lesser Evil, and Homecoming/The Farther Shore, plus a few Strange New Worlds stories and minor roles in Probe and The Siege. For the most part, Trek Lit has done little with the Borg. If your assumption that Borg = sales were correct, surely the Borg would've been featured far more heavily.
No, it wasn't. We didn't see any buildings over than Sarek's estate in the deleted "Spock's Birth" scene; all we saw was the desert wilderness beyond the house. We can probably infer that Sarek's estate is located at the edge of ShiKahr near the edge of Vulcan's Forge.
But, again, there's nothing to indicate that the city we saw in the "Spock goes to school" sequences was ShiKahr -- and nothing to indicate that that city was the same location as seen in the "Spock's birth" scene. It's entirely possible that Spock was educated in an entirely different city than the one in which he was born.
True, a writer could B.S. his/her way into bringing the Borg back (temporal displacement, Borg from the Mirror Universe showing up, someone managing to re-create it all from scratch), but without resorting to incursions from alternate timelines or universes, they couldn't do it and stay consistent with Destiny. Lost Souls was very explicit: There are no more Borg. Period.
And your idea in particular wouldn't work. All Borg drones were liberated from the Collective's control and then Borg Collective itself ceased to exist before the drones were then absorbed into the Caeliar gestalt. Even if one lone drone survived, there would be no Queen or Collective or other guiding intelligence for it to use to re-establish the Collective. It would just be a drone with his/her own mind back and no way to re-create the Queen or the driving intelligence behind the Queen's creation (Sedín). It would just be a liberated drone and nothing more.
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