Arise, SIR PATRICK STEWART!

[Tomalak]

My pleasure mate, the contempt I have for those who do nothing and wallow in their own misery while blaming everyone else for their woes is vast. The UK is full of them.

Better to laugh at you from afar. I'll ignore the flaming too.

Flaming? Simple advice to ensure you don't cause yourself any lasting damage, as what you imagine Tory party policy to be bears no relation to the reality.

You couldn't put a cigarette paper between David Cameron and Gordon Brown on all the main issues, and everyone knows this. It's not the policies that are unpopular, it's the messenger: the Labour Party.

Probably best if you stay away. If you learnt the truth, you might spontaneously combust. You see, Dave tells us he's committed to the NHS, the welfare state, and has supported all the Blairite reforms. Apart from bringing back fox hunting, it will be business as usual. Sorry mate.

 

[ThePlumsofWrath]

My pleasure mate, the contempt I have for those who do nothing and wallow in their own misery while blaming everyone else for their woes is vast. The UK is full of them.

Better to laugh at you from afar. I'll ignore the flaming too.

Flaming? Simple advice to ensure you don't cause yourself any lasting damage, as what you imagine Tory party policy to be bears no relation to the reality.

You couldn't put a cigarette paper between David Cameron and Gordon Brown on all the main issues, and everyone knows this. It's not the policies that are unpopular, it's the messenger: the Labour Party.

Probably best if you stay away. If you learnt the truth, you might spontaneously combust. You see, Dave tells us he's committed to the NHS, the welfare state, and has supported all the Blairite reforms. Apart from bringing back fox hunting, it will be business as usual. Sorry mate.

Well old china, my wife was a NHS nurse and I was a civil servant, I think I know what goes on and what's happening and what's going to happen, another reason to be here rather than there, we were both reasonably senior and were party to the respective spending reviews and limits being mooted. Most machinary of Gov stuff has now stopped and most senior civil servants are now courting their likely new masters. I'm not for one second suggesting that the Tories are any better but they will rub your nose in it and make you take your rightful place in the pecking order. You'll either pull up your socks and prosper or natural selection will dump you on an estate in Toxteth. Socialists can't bear that can they? The idea that if you do something for yourself and do it well, the state can't control it, and you'll benefit personally from it.

Liverpool? How is Derek these days? The home of the idiot savants of the militant socialists. I imagine people still choke on their Special Brew whenever work for a living and Thatcher are mentioned, even today. Like when anyone mentions The Sun at Anfield.

And that's the point isn't it, the chattering classes had their chance in 97 and properly messed it up, the pop stars and actors thronged to be involved with the Labour project and are now running for the hills because of the electoral wipeout coming, that Stewart benefited from that and is so isolated from the reality of the ruination of the UK is not just laughable, it's utterly contemptable.

I'm sorry if it sounds harsh but this 'honour' is political and therefore meaningless.

 

[Timewalker]

You're the one ranting over what doesn't matter...

 

[ThePlumsofWrath]

You're the one ranting over what doesn't matter...

Indeed, the death of a nation is of no consequence to a multi-millionaire who is isolated from the disaster befalling his countrymen.

 

[Timewalker]

The death of a nation?

Seriously, can a mod please split the political crap out of this thread and move it to a more suitable forum for discussing real-world politics?

 

[ThePlumsofWrath]

The New Years Honours are politically motivated, Stewart's particularly. The thread was congratulating him for something I feel is a bad joke, why shouldn't it be discussed in a thread discussing the gong?

Yeah, he's a good actor, that's not the point is it? If you knew anything about the honours system that is.....

Mod's, it the repeated flaming that is objectionable here, just because the poster doesn't agree with me, it doesn't follow that it's crap.

 

[Timewalker]

The New Years Honours are politically motivated, Stewart's particularly. The thread was congratulating him for something I feel is a bad joke, why shouldn't it be discussed in a thread discussing the gong?

Yeah, he's a good actor, that's not the point is it? If you knew anything about the honours system that is.....

Mod's, it the repeated flaming that is objectionable here, just because the poster doesn't agree with me, it doesn't follow that it's crap.

Okay, lookit. Canada has its own honors system, called the Order of Canada. Most of the people honored are not considered objectionable at all, and some are talked about because they're famous and most people feel they deserve the honor. Some get talked about because the award is controversial. Sometimes a person is stripped of his/her award because of some later deed (ie. when it was revealed that the recipient was a Holocaust denier).

So don't say I object to a political discussion of this because we disagree on our respective political positions. I just object to having a political discussion in a forum meant to discuss STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.

Understand?

 

[ThePlumsofWrath]

The New Years Honours are politically motivated, Stewart's particularly. The thread was congratulating him for something I feel is a bad joke, why shouldn't it be discussed in a thread discussing the gong?

Yeah, he's a good actor, that's not the point is it? If you knew anything about the honours system that is.....

Mod's, it the repeated flaming that is objectionable here, just because the poster doesn't agree with me, it doesn't follow that it's crap.

Okay, lookit. Canada has its own honors system, called the Order of Canada. Most of the people honored are not considered objectionable at all, and some are talked about because they're famous and most people feel they deserve the honor. Some get talked about because the award is controversial. Sometimes a person is stripped of his/her award because of some later deed (ie. when it was revealed that the recipient was a Holocaust denier).

So don't say I object to a political discussion of this because we disagree on our respective political positions. I just object to having a political discussion in a forum meant to discuss STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.

Understand?

Stop wiggling, you object to the target of the criticism, nothing more. It's a political award he received therefore the reasons he got it are reasonable to discuss in this forum as the body of his work included TNG.

I happen to beleve that he was given it for services to the party. I find that objectionable. I lived in a country where these awards were handed out, in my name, like confetti for political support and favours. It stinks.

I'm sorry you don't like it but then I don't like this sort of despotic crap being done in my name either. He supports something utterly ruinous to my country and it reputation around the world.

Now stop bleating and debate.

 

[LaBarre]

Of course the honours system is "political" but it is so only in the widest sense of the word. The idea behind the yearly gongs is to give national recognition to the efforts of people of reknown across a broad spectrum of civil society. So, we have a certain number of honours (knighthoods, CBEs, OBEs, etc) handed out annually to those deemed (by the government of the day having taking advice from a range of government and non-government sources) that X,Y and Z are most deserving of public honour in the civil service, religioun, military, the arts, business, social services and so forth.

So yeah, it's "political."

Actually, Stewart is quite late to receive his knighthood among his acting contemporaries. McKellan, Mirren, Kingsley, Dench, all received theirs awhile ago.

The fact that Stewart's politics have been and remain so obviously and publicly Labour may in fact have been a some "political" hesitancy about nominating him earlier. Alternatively, he may have been approached some years ago about the possibility of a knighthood (because this is how it is done - the potential nominee is asked whether he would accept an honour IF such was to be given and then given the opportunity to refuse - all in private). On the other hand, he may never have been offered it until midway through last year.

Stewart's politics are very well known. He's not been shy about it. And why should he? He's entitled to his view. He puts it into action. Like the rest of us in a democracy, he's granted one vote to exercise if he wants to and if he takes up the offer, to allocate as he sees fit.

There was a lot of hysteria in the left during the Thatcher-Major years about how the UK had been destroyed by Tory rule. It was a lot of hogwash. Talk of the imminent destruction of the UK as a result of Labour rule is similarly silly.

I am just very pleased that Patrick was nominated for this great honour, offered it and then saw fit to accept it.

Stewart's been honoured for his services to the arts in the UK. He's English and came back to the UK to live and work professionally after many years away, and in doing so has unquestionably provided a ton of artistic work worthy of recognition
and regard and has been rewarded with lots of theatre awards along the way.
This New Year, the Queen - as head of state - officially yanked up this public recognition to that of national significance.

What's not to like here?

 

[Sci]

I'm very happy for Patrick, but people must realise one thing. The man is millionaire Champagne socialist who lives the life of Reilly while financially funding a Government and political party that, through "redistribution of wealth", wants to put everyone in the UK in to poverty.

I have plenty of problems with Labour -- particularly New Labour and New New Labour -- but their goal is not to put everyone in poverty. Their nominal goal is to create a more equitable society -- but ever since Blair put in New Labour, they've been in the pocket of Big Business just like the Tories.

Really, New Labour works for the City. It's hardly a party of hard-core Socialists anymore.

 

[Tomalak]

I'm very happy for Patrick, but people must realise one thing. The man is millionaire Champagne socialist who lives the life of Reilly while financially funding a Government and political party that, through "redistribution of wealth", wants to put everyone in the UK in to poverty.

I have plenty of problems with Labour -- particularly New Labour and New New Labour -- but their goal is not to put everyone in poverty. Their nominal goal is to create a more equitable society -- but ever since Blair put in New Labour, they've been in the pocket of Big Business just like the Tories.

Really, New Labour works for the City. It's hardly a party of hard-core Socialists anymore.

Well quite. I'm not sure when "ThePlumsofWrath" left the country, but all his references to socialists in Labour and Thatcherite Tories seem to suggest it was about 1983.

Times have changed!

 

[Sci]

I'm very happy for Patrick, but people must realise one thing. The man is millionaire Champagne socialist who lives the life of Reilly while financially funding a Government and political party that, through "redistribution of wealth", wants to put everyone in the UK in to poverty.

I have plenty of problems with Labour -- particularly New Labour and New New Labour -- but their goal is not to put everyone in poverty. Their nominal goal is to create a more equitable society -- but ever since Blair put in New Labour, they've been in the pocket of Big Business just like the Tories.

Really, New Labour works for the City. It's hardly a party of hard-core Socialists anymore.

Well quite. I'm not sure when "ThePlumsofWrath" left the country, but all his references to socialists in Labour and Thatcherite Tories seem to suggest it was about 1983.

Times have changed!

Isn't ideological fanaticism fun?

 

[ThePlumsofWrath]

I'm very happy for Patrick, but people must realise one thing. The man is millionaire Champagne socialist who lives the life of Reilly while financially funding a Government and political party that, through "redistribution of wealth", wants to put everyone in the UK in to poverty.

I have plenty of problems with Labour -- particularly New Labour and New New Labour -- but their goal is not to put everyone in poverty. Their nominal goal is to create a more equitable society -- but ever since Blair put in New Labour, they've been in the pocket of Big Business just like the Tories.

Really, New Labour works for the City. It's hardly a party of hard-core Socialists anymore.

Well quite. I'm not sure when "ThePlumsofWrath" left the country, but all his references to socialists in Labour and Thatcherite Tories seem to suggest it was about 1983.

Times have changed!

No they haven't. Having worked within both administrations let me assure you that socialist dogma runs through all Labour policy planning.

I left in Aug 2009.

Now what's your point? Or is sarcasm all you've got?

 

[JB2005]

I have plenty of problems with Labour -- particularly New Labour and New New Labour -- but their goal is not to put everyone in poverty. Their nominal goal is to create a more equitable society -- but ever since Blair put in New Labour, they've been in the pocket of Big Business just like the Tories.

Really, New Labour works for the City. It's hardly a party of hard-core Socialists anymore.

Well quite. I'm not sure when "ThePlumsofWrath" left the country, but all his references to socialists in Labour and Thatcherite Tories seem to suggest it was about 1983.

Times have changed!

No they haven't. Having worked within both administrations let me assure you that socialist dogma runs through all Labour policy planning.

I left in Aug 2009.

Now what's your point? Or is sarcasm all you've got?

If you're going to make claims, at least get your terminology right...

American Presidents have administrations.

British Prime Ministers have Ministries when referring to their time in office.

 

[Tomalak]

Now what's your point? Or is sarcasm all you've got?

I just wanted to congratulate Patrick Stewart on receiving a knighthood, as I think he's a fine actor and deserves it as much as anyone else.

I got a bit sidetracked by your bilious rant, but I've had a lovely day, and I really can't be bothered with this.

Hope you had a good day too.

 

[Red Ranger]

Don't know how I missed this little tidbit, but now he's officially Sir Patrick Stewart! Very nice, old chap!

As for this side conversation about socialists in the Labour Party, I only have one thing to say:

"Oh noe! Teh SOCIALISTS!"

RR

 

[cardinal biggles]

This is just a blanket reminder to everyone that the political discussion belongs in TNZ, and you all need to simmer.

 

[ThePlumsofWrath]

Well quite. I'm not sure when "ThePlumsofWrath" left the country, but all his references to socialists in Labour and Thatcherite Tories seem to suggest it was about 1983.

Times have changed!

No they haven't. Having worked within both administrations let me assure you that socialist dogma runs through all Labour policy planning.

I left in Aug 2009.

Now what's your point? Or is sarcasm all you've got?

If you're going to make claims, at least get your terminology right...

American Presidents have administrations.

British Prime Ministers have Ministries when referring to their time in office.

A ministry is a department of state.

 

[ThePlumsofWrath]

Now what's your point? Or is sarcasm all you've got?

I just wanted to congratulate Patrick Stewart on receiving a knighthood, as I think he's a fine actor and deserves it as much as anyone else.

I got a bit sidetracked by your bilious rant, but I've had a lovely day, and I really can't be bothered with this.

Hope you had a good day too.

Awesome thanks.

 

[Keith1701]

Excellent news, it's about time he was given a knighthood. Thanks for sharing.

Now we can justify the idea of badass Picard... 'DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!'

Outstanding News, Way to Go!!! Sir Patrick